HTC Desire

[Robbie Khan Reviews]

I understand your point but you're still wrong on this matter.

By your wording you're saying you should pretty much disable background widgets/apps because they drain the battery, note, you said drain.

They do not drain the battery and you can test it very easily by simply leaving the phone idle for 24 hours and noting the battery loss by using the HTC battery widget or whatever else then after 24 hours look in the battery use meter built into Android and seeing what has consumed whatever % has gone down.

You will most likely find Cell Standby in the top spot followed by anything else. Android System will be probably in 2nd spot but that's to be expected, the OS itself has to run somewhere.

Everything else should be well below a threshold that would not cause any concern for battery life and I think you're forgetting that these are high end smart phones. They're not designed to last longer than 1.5 days or so with on and off usage throughout that time.

Aside from all that Android will employ a wifi sleep policy when idle to conserve power, it will drop out of HSDPA when left idle too. Like I said, Android isn't made to consume power, it's saving power at every opportunity when not being used by its owner.

Do you really have one of these phone... it certainly doesn't sound like you do.

To finish, no, "little things" like this don't matter because they don't drain the battery the way you're implying.

[tsupersonic]

I understand your point but you're still wrong on this matter.

By your wording you're saying you should pretty much disable background widgets/apps because they drain the battery, note, you said drain.

They do not drain the battery and you can test it very easily by simply leaving the phone idle for 24 hours and noting the battery loss by using the HTC battery widget or whatever else then after 24 hours look in the battery use meter built into Android and seeing what has consumed whatever % has gone down.

You will most likely find Cell Standby in the top spot followed by anything else. Android System will be probably in 2nd spot but that's to be expected, the OS itself has to run somewhere.

Everything else should be well below a threshold that would not cause any concern for battery life and I think you're forgetting that these are high end smart phones. They're not designed to last longer than 1.5 days or so with on and off usage throughout that time.

Aside from all that Android will employ a wifi sleep policy when idle to conserve power, it will drop out of HSDPA when left idle too. Like I said, Android isn't made to consume power, it's saving power at every opportunity when not being used by its owner.

Do you really have one of these phone... it certainly doesn't sound like you do.

To finish, no, "little things" like this don't matter because they don't drain the battery the way you're implying.

Good info. But, yes, they still do use CPU, radio, both which drain the battery. Yes, they drain the battery, meaning anything that takes any charge away from the battery is drain on the battery charge. Doesn't matter what the threshold is, all I am saying is that it exists, you're saying it virtually doesn't exist. Battery power in smartphones is **** poor that every little thing matters.

BTW, I have a Droid Incredible ;)

[Robbie Khan Reviews]

Yes it exists but it's so small in footprint that it doesn't matter and it not to be concerned about - I don't see how this is hard to understand lol!

Like I said, you only have to test it over 24 hours how I described to see. You'll never see a widget in the battery usage meter, why? because sync widgets don't use any note-worthy amounts of battery.

It's like trying to convince people who still think Windows System restore being turned off will make their PC faster when it won't because it's not a heavy resource using service.

[Hardcore Til I Die]

Yes it exists but it's so small in footprint that it doesn't matter and it not to be concerned about - I don't see how this is hard to understand lol!

Like I said, you only have to test it over 24 hours how I described to see. You'll never see a widget in the battery usage meter, why? because sync widgets don't use any note-worthy amounts of battery.

It's like trying to convince people who still think Windows System restore being turned off will make their PC faster when it won't because it's not a heavy resource using service.

I'm sorry but you're definitely mistaken in this... if you look at what's been using the battery and then tap on "Android System," you will see in the "included packages" section that "Android System" includes "sync feeds," "accounts & sync," "HTC Function Test Program 1.01g," "HTC Checkin Service," "HTC Widget Download Manager," and "Rosie Utility," all of which are/could be associated with syncing.

In other words, the battery that syncing uses falls under "Android System" and by my own tests... "Android System" uses a lot less of the battery % when syncing is turned off. Syncing is quite a big drain on the battery.... just like actively browsing the web is also a big drain on the battery.

[Robbie Khan Reviews]

By alot less what figure can you state from your findings?

My findings show not a significant drop/gain to need to shut down sync services when idle beacuse, like I said, the phone drops out of wifi/hsdpa when needed.

It can also be a trick in the way Android displays this battery monitor which is why I said to leave it idle for 24 hours with some normal use thrown in.

If you JUST disconnected the power for example then 10 minutes later checked the battery usage meter you'd see Android System using xx% of the battery - this is normal and to be expected, just because it says 46% or whatever doesn't mean 46% of the battery has been consumed.

Span the time over 24 hours for a better estimate on real world consumption and then see the figures drop significantly to the point where it wouldn't have made much difference.

The cpu time calculator and % meter resets every time you unplug the phone.

[Bioran]

What's the retail price of this currently? Is it more expensive or less expensive than the Nexus One? Can we turn off Sense? Would Nexus One be available still in September online?

Anyone? :)

[Chicane-UK Veteran]

Had my Desire for a few weeks now. I really never thought I could find a phone that would improve on the experience with the iPhone but the Desire / Android OS really deliver. I'm thrilled with it.

Only downside has been battery life though I've just turned off all background app behaviour, auto email sync etc and doubled the battery life to a couple of days so happy with that.

It's just a brilliant piece of kit all round.

[Singh400]

Tried Advanced Task Killer over the weekend (I was bored!), and my god why do people recommend this app?

I left it overnight, DOING NOTHING. And I woke up that morning, and it had drained more than 50% of my battery!

So I uninstalled it pretty sharpish. Compared with last night, from full charge to overnight it had only gone down to 93% or there about.

Oh, and ever since I tried it out. My weather thingy-ma-jiggy doens't display the weather any more. I have to manually sync it now everytime.

Had my Desire for a few weeks now. I really never thought I could find a phone that would improve on the experience with the iPhone but the Desire / Android OS really deliver. I'm thrilled with it.

Only downside has been battery life though I've just turned off all background app behaviour, auto email sync etc and doubled the battery life to a couple of days so happy with that.

It's just a brilliant piece of kit all round.

The battery will get better by itself after a few weeks of usage. Don't worry about that.

[Robbie Khan Reviews]

Did you not read into Android and the false use of task manager apps and why they're damaging to performance? :p

Task managers have not been needed on Android for ages because Android does actual task management very well.

Just read up on it.

[Singh400]

Did you not read into Android and the false use of task manager apps and why they're damaging to performance? :p

Task managers have not been needed on Android for ages because Android does actual task management very well.

Just read up on it.

No, I read both the articles. But I was curious.

[Hardcore Til I Die]

By alot less what figure can you state from your findings?

My findings show not a significant drop/gain to need to shut down sync services when idle beacuse, like I said, the phone drops out of wifi/hsdpa when needed.

It can also be a trick in the way Android displays this battery monitor which is why I said to leave it idle for 24 hours with some normal use thrown in.

If you JUST disconnected the power for example then 10 minutes later checked the battery usage meter you'd see Android System using xx% of the battery - this is normal and to be expected, just because it says 46% or whatever doesn't mean 46% of the battery has been consumed.

Span the time over 24 hours for a better estimate on real world consumption and then see the figures drop significantly to the point where it wouldn't have made much difference.

The cpu time calculator and % meter resets every time you unplug the phone.

Android System uses about 10-15% less of the used battery when syncing is disabled. It usually sits between 40-45% with me checking facebook and twitter every hour and weather every three hours. If I turn auto sync off it only accounts for about 30-35% of the used battery.

Anyone? :)

Price in what currency? Between ?400 and ?450 GBP here in the UK.

Desire is cheaper than the Nexus One.

Sense cannot be turned off, but would you really want to?! It's a beautiful frontend for Android :)

Can't say for sure if it will still be available but I don't see why not.

[Maximum Error]

Well i've recieved my desire. Its exceeded my expectations. I had a HD2 and this is just lightning compared to the HD2. Its just a beautiful phone!

[Sigmatic.Minor]

I so want one of these!

At least I'm able to get android running on my TyTn II (kaiser) for a while until it's time to get a new phone, hopefully by then HTC will release a better android phone with a keyboard! I'd miss the tactile feedback of a keyboard lol

[red.]

So i finally got my Desire and now i'm just waiting for my old number to transfer and adding contacts so i haven't explored it too much yet. Just wondering, is the Advanced Task Killer useful?

Also, any tips on improving battery life? I know that i should turn off Wi-Fi when i'm not using it, is there a quick way to turn this on/off from the home screen?

Any tips on must have apps?

Thanks.

[Singh400]

Just wondering, is the Advanced Task Killer useful?

No, it drains your battery and will break other apps. Stay well away.

Also, any tips on improving battery life? I know that i should turn off Wi-Fi when i'm not using it, is there a quick way to turn this on/off from the home screen?

Battery life for the first week will be dodgy at best. You will have to re-charge it every night (I still do out of habit). But it will get better with time. I can go a whole day now with heavy usage included, and battery life at the end of the day is around 35-40%

Any tips on must have apps?

Too many to list right now, but if you can into the market, go into each section and then sort by Top Free. You can't really go wrong.

[red.]

Thanks Singh400 (Y)

I'll stay away from ATK. Any advice on quickly enabling/disabling Wi-Fi so i'm only able to use it at home?

[Singh400]

Thanks Singh400 (Y)

I'll stay away from ATK. Any advice on quickly enabling/disabling Wi-Fi so i'm only able to use it at home?

Yeah you can use the WiFi widget. It is built in on Android. Press and hold on a empty area of the screen. Select widget, scroll down to settings, and select the WiFi one.

I personally use Timeriffic (one of my fav apps) to control WiFi automatically. When I leave work it'll auto turn itself on, and when I leave home it'll turn itself off.

[red.]

Yeah you can use the WiFi widget. It is built in on Android. Press and hold on a empty area of the screen. Select widget, scroll down to settings, and select the WiFi one.

I personally use Timeriffic (one of my fav apps) to control WiFi automatically. When I leave work it'll auto turn itself on, and when I leave home it'll turn itself off.

That sounds good. Will definitely look into it.

[all43]

This is a wicked phone! Just got mine and loving it.

[Redmak Administrators]

Got mine a few days ago. I love it. All it needs is Android 2.2 and it's perfect

[Singh400]

Got mine a few days ago. I love it. All it needs is Android 2.2 and it's perfect

The folks at Mocado / XDA-D are working on a custom 2.2 Desire ROM. Don't think HTC is gonna release 2.2 for the Desire any time soon looking at what happened with the Hero.

[Redmak Administrators]

Sources on the web say it may be released for the desire late june

[all43]

Fingers crossed on that Redmak but I'm not gonna hold my breath.

[Redmak Administrators]

I see no reason why they shouldn't. It's capable enough

[thefonz]

How will the update work on the desire? Just simple over the air flash th the memory? I've had ny desire for 2 weeks now and am srill discovering how wonderful it is. Neowin looks gorgeous on it. Oh, abstract this was posted from it ;)