Why Linux (Still) Sucks (And What We Can Do To Fix It)


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I don't think that Linux sucks. At least this is not the word that should be used. Linux is just not as user friendly as Windows, or even OSX. Everything seems to be too complicated in an age when every second matters. And, to be honest, I believe that no matter how much they improve those aspects that you're talking about, Linux will never be more than a testing platform, or network tool & stuff.

What I don't like about Linux:

- the package stuff - easy with rpm, for example, but I sure don't like it when I have to compile some things, and this usually takes ages;

- the GUI - never liked it, in any distro;

- no games - using Wine to play (if you're lucky) popular games that Windows users play every day it's a deal breaker for me;

- they say that applications that people use often on Win have "twins" on Linux too. Well, this is only true if you're willing to compromise a lot. For example, no matter what audio editor you have on Linux, you just can't compare it with Sound Forge - and this, for me, it's a big no no for Linux.

the problem is that each distro is doing their own thing; i had encounter bugs in ubuntu, fedora and opensuse that are mutually exclusive (and a few common ones); why cant they play nicely and create a common release that fixes each other's bugs?

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I don't think it gets easier than this.

Joe Average computer user doesn't know what the "Extensible Tool Platform and Java IDE" is. Some more tech savvy users may pick up on the word Java and remember that some websites use Java/Javascript. Most computer users, however, think of coffee and can't make heads or tails our of any other word listed with it.

"Too many cooks spoil the broth..."

Linux has too many cooks. Thousands. All wanting to take Linux in a different direction. Should it be "this"? Should it be that? How 'bout this? No, it has to be that!

Linux fans have declared it to be the "year of the Linux Desktop" every year since 1998 at least.

And every year, any time a regular user tries out Linux, they say to themselves "what the hell is this crap?"

Their hardware isn't supported, or there is some quirk in the GUI with no way to fix it (without altering text configuration files), or they are presented with a lack of media playback (licensing issue), or too many playback issues (Alsa, OSS, or whatever other audio choices), or apps in one window that don't look the same or work the same as another app in a window right next to it (Qt, Gtk, etc). Heck, just trying to install the OS will present you with a dozen file system options. ext2, ext3, ext4, ReiserFS, and many others. Some distributions default to one type or another. Almost none tell you what any of them do.

If they ask a question in a forum, others actually take the time to post long-winded responses telling them to Google it or RTFM. You know, instead of just giving the answer.

If they find a project site with a bugzilla-style system for software bug reports, many requests for simple things (that make SENSE) get changed to "willnotfix" or whatever by someone who feels the difficult/archaic way is the best way of doing it. (ie: not toggling an option through a GUI setup, but having to google a fix for countless hours and then go back to the command line to edit more text files).

A user that simply wants a system that "works" and tries out a modern Linux distro (such as Ubuntu 10.04) will be presented with weird text scrolling past the screen, hidden options, confusing dialog boxes, meaningless error messages, and no simple or obvious way of doing anything. Trying to get their games and media playing will present them with options to emulate *Windows*, and present them with confusing/scary dialog boxes about installing restricted codecs that may be *illegal*... And that is on a system that is stable and everything works. For being the "Linux for Human Beings" company, they sure do expect their users to know how to use Linux and research every little issue just to try and use their "Desktop" OS.

WHY would anyone bother with that when they can just use Windows or Mac OS X?

Because it's "free"? Mac OS X comes free on every Mac. As part of the system cost, Windows appears to come free on every PC.

Upgrades are relatively cheap. $129 for Mac OS (although 10.6 was just $29), and $99 for Windows. That isn't a whole lot when you consider an average video card or CPU upgrade being $100-$300. Part of that cost pays for LICENSING of other components. Simple things, like MP3 and DVD/MPEG2 are paid for by Apple and Microsoft, so when you get Mac OS X and Windows, you don't have to worry about licensing issues!! No "this may be ILLEGAL" warning like in Linux when downloading "restricted" codecs. It doesn't matter if you'll never get in trouble for watching a DVD in Linux, just the idea of using something not-allowed doesn't make sense.

Because it's "open"? WHY would the average user care? Most people just want to run programs that are already there. They don't care how they work or if they can write their own code. Apple makes sure everything included on your system works together. Your PC maker should have made sure everything works in the system together, and Windows makes sure everything made in the past 20 years works on your computer, and if you build your system you KNOW it all works together.

Because you "feel better" about not supporting some "evil" company? Really? Make yourself suffer with junk just because you're "sticking it to The Man" or something? Cutting off your nose to spite your face?

There are many reasons Linux is by far the minority OS. Linux zealots like to tout how "superior" their OS is. Well, keep thinking that - just don't question why you've always been in last place on the Desktop then. You can never improve if you think you're already the best.

Linux doesn't suck but the drivers are **** poor. My laptop can't wake up from standby, constant lags on the UI and WIFI not working after standby.

Honestly drives me insane! I try to give it a chance but the drivers wind me up beyond extreme.

I revisit Linux often and I'm really happy with how Linux Mint works out of the box. (er... after the download and install) Ubuntu is nice as well, but didn't seem as complete to me as Mint. Will I ditch my windows 7 for Mint... probably not, but I'll run them side by side.

Drivers are still a big issue, so is simplicity with reguards to configuration. I've never gotten a Myth or a Myth based distro to install correctly and use my tv tuners. I followed a lot of guides and used a bunch of different tuners. I did get one Pinnacle card to install and show SDTV, but never HDTV. On the same PC, I installed Vista Ultimate and the tv tuners worked perfect. Last month I swapped out the HD in that machine and tried 3 linux distros meant for Media Centers. I had better luck getting some of the tuners to function, but not without a lot of work in the terminal. Dual Tuners also seemed to screw up anytime I had a working tuner. These problems and the necessity to use the terminal to get a tuner working are what turned me off to using Linux as a media center pc.

I still think its the amount of choice. While choice is a good thing to much of it is a bad thing.

There are now HUNDREDS of Distro's to choose from. Over whelming. If there was only 1 or 2 Distro's that everyone was working on as a community you would see much better driver support to name just one thing.

I still think its the amount of choice. While choice is a good thing to much of it is a bad thing.

There are now HUNDREDS of Distro's to choose from. Over whelming. If there was only 1 or 2 Distro's that everyone was working on as a community you would see much better driver support to name just one thing.

there really isnt that many distros if you break it down. mint, ubuntu etc.. are all just knockoffs of debian. I personally cant stand the bloated distros that install a crapload of stuff i never use but alot of people seem to focus on those ones.

Joe Average computer user doesn't know what the "Extensible Tool Platform and Java IDE" is. Some more tech savvy users may pick up on the word Java and remember that some websites use Java/Javascript. Most computer users, however, think of coffee and can't make heads or tails our of any other word listed with it.

It's just one of the mentioned apps, the install process is the easiest out there. Want a game. Click on the big GAMES icon. Choose one. Click install.

I still think its the amount of choice. While choice is a good thing to much of it is a bad thing.

There are now HUNDREDS of Distro's to choose from. Over whelming. If there was only 1 or 2 Distro's that everyone was working on as a community you would see much better driver support to name just one thing.

Yah - there's a generation gap with current kernel devs which isn't helping. Unpaid volunteer coders also have problems in obtaining and testing hardware for obvious reasons as well (costs money!).

The majority of Linux's problems (if you consider it a problem, most do) stem from the fact that the square pegs of propriety don't fit into the round holes of open source. I personally think that Linux is an awesome achievement of open source, and most distro's have more than kept up with their propriety counterparts with the adaptation to web 2.0 and social media not leaving Linux behind in any way, shape or form.

Sure, I've ditched gaming on my PC and bought a PS3, that's the price I pay for wanting to play with my OS instead :)

"Too many cooks spoil the broth..."

Linux has too many cooks. Thousands. All wanting to take Linux in a different direction. Should it be "this"? Should it be that? How 'bout this? No, it has to be that!

Linux fans have declared it to be the "year of the Linux Desktop" every year since 1998 at least.

And every year, any time a regular user tries out Linux, they say to themselves "what the hell is this crap?"

Their hardware isn't supported, or there is some quirk in the GUI with no way to fix it (without altering text configuration files), or they are presented with a lack of media playback (licensing issue), or too many playback issues (Alsa, OSS, or whatever other audio choices), or apps in one window that don't look the same or work the same as another app in a window right next to it (Qt, Gtk, etc). Heck, just trying to install the OS will present you with a dozen file system options. ext2, ext3, ext4, ReiserFS, and many others. Some distributions default to one type or another. Almost none tell you what any of them do.

If they ask a question in a forum, others actually take the time to post long-winded responses telling them to Google it or RTFM. You know, instead of just giving the answer.

If they find a project site with a bugzilla-style system for software bug reports, many requests for simple things (that make SENSE) get changed to "willnotfix" or whatever by someone who feels the difficult/archaic way is the best way of doing it. (ie: not toggling an option through a GUI setup, but having to google a fix for countless hours and then go back to the command line to edit more text files).

A user that simply wants a system that "works" and tries out a modern Linux distro (such as Ubuntu 10.04) will be presented with weird text scrolling past the screen, hidden options, confusing dialog boxes, meaningless error messages, and no simple or obvious way of doing anything. Trying to get their games and media playing will present them with options to emulate *Windows*, and present them with confusing/scary dialog boxes about installing restricted codecs that may be *illegal*... And that is on a system that is stable and everything works. For being the "Linux for Human Beings" company, they sure do expect their users to know how to use Linux and research every little issue just to try and use their "Desktop" OS.

WHY would anyone bother with that when they can just use Windows or Mac OS X?

Because it's "free"? Mac OS X comes free on every Mac. As part of the system cost, Windows appears to come free on every PC.

Upgrades are relatively cheap. $129 for Mac OS (although 10.6 was just $29), and $99 for Windows. That isn't a whole lot when you consider an average video card or CPU upgrade being $100-$300. Part of that cost pays for LICENSING of other components. Simple things, like MP3 and DVD/MPEG2 are paid for by Apple and Microsoft, so when you get Mac OS X and Windows, you don't have to worry about licensing issues!! No "this may be ILLEGAL" warning like in Linux when downloading "restricted" codecs. It doesn't matter if you'll never get in trouble for watching a DVD in Linux, just the idea of using something not-allowed doesn't make sense.

Because it's "open"? WHY would the average user care? Most people just want to run programs that are already there. They don't care how they work or if they can write their own code. Apple makes sure everything included on your system works together. Your PC maker should have made sure everything works in the system together, and Windows makes sure everything made in the past 20 years works on your computer, and if you build your system you KNOW it all works together.

Because you "feel better" about not supporting some "evil" company? Really? Make yourself suffer with junk just because you're "sticking it to The Man" or something? Cutting off your nose to spite your face?

There are many reasons Linux is by far the minority OS. Linux zealots like to tout how "superior" their OS is. Well, keep thinking that - just don't question why you've always been in last place on the Desktop then. You can never improve if you think you're already the best.

QFT.

"Too many cooks spoil the broth..."

Linux has too many cooks. Thousands. All wanting to take Linux in a different direction. Should it be "this"? Should it be that? How 'bout this? No, it has to be that!

Linux fans have declared it to be the "year of the Linux Desktop" every year since 1998 at least.

And every year, any time a regular user tries out Linux, they say to themselves "what the hell is this crap?"

Their hardware isn't supported, or there is some quirk in the GUI with no way to fix it (without altering text configuration files), or they are presented with a lack of media playback (licensing issue), or too many playback issues (Alsa, OSS, or whatever other audio choices), or apps in one window that don't look the same or work the same as another app in a window right next to it (Qt, Gtk, etc). Heck, just trying to install the OS will present you with a dozen file system options. ext2, ext3, ext4, ReiserFS, and many others. Some distributions default to one type or another. Almost none tell you what any of them do.

If they ask a question in a forum, others actually take the time to post long-winded responses telling them to Google it or RTFM. You know, instead of just giving the answer.

If they find a project site with a bugzilla-style system for software bug reports, many requests for simple things (that make SENSE) get changed to "willnotfix" or whatever by someone who feels the difficult/archaic way is the best way of doing it. (ie: not toggling an option through a GUI setup, but having to google a fix for countless hours and then go back to the command line to edit more text files).

A user that simply wants a system that "works" and tries out a modern Linux distro (such as Ubuntu 10.04) will be presented with weird text scrolling past the screen, hidden options, confusing dialog boxes, meaningless error messages, and no simple or obvious way of doing anything. Trying to get their games and media playing will present them with options to emulate *Windows*, and present them with confusing/scary dialog boxes about installing restricted codecs that may be *illegal*... And that is on a system that is stable and everything works. For being the "Linux for Human Beings" company, they sure do expect their users to know how to use Linux and research every little issue just to try and use their "Desktop" OS.

WHY would anyone bother with that when they can just use Windows or Mac OS X?

Because it's "free"? Mac OS X comes free on every Mac. As part of the system cost, Windows appears to come free on every PC.

Upgrades are relatively cheap. $129 for Mac OS (although 10.6 was just $29), and $99 for Windows. That isn't a whole lot when you consider an average video card or CPU upgrade being $100-$300. Part of that cost pays for LICENSING of other components. Simple things, like MP3 and DVD/MPEG2 are paid for by Apple and Microsoft, so when you get Mac OS X and Windows, you don't have to worry about licensing issues!! No "this may be ILLEGAL" warning like in Linux when downloading "restricted" codecs. It doesn't matter if you'll never get in trouble for watching a DVD in Linux, just the idea of using something not-allowed doesn't make sense.

Because it's "open"? WHY would the average user care? Most people just want to run programs that are already there. They don't care how they work or if they can write their own code. Apple makes sure everything included on your system works together. Your PC maker should have made sure everything works in the system together, and Windows makes sure everything made in the past 20 years works on your computer, and if you build your system you KNOW it all works together.

Because you "feel better" about not supporting some "evil" company? Really? Make yourself suffer with junk just because you're "sticking it to The Man" or something? Cutting off your nose to spite your face?

There are many reasons Linux is by far the minority OS. Linux zealots like to tout how "superior" their OS is. Well, keep thinking that - just don't question why you've always been in last place on the Desktop then. You can never improve if you think you're already the best.

In all honesty, +1

Also, always when I use Linux I feel something is wrong with the GUI. Dunno what, I just feel it. If I use OSX I think: Beautiful! If I use Win7 I think: Almost like OSX! If I use Linux (last Ubuntu 10.04) I think: meh (Compiz is nice but that doesn't help over the base issue)

Thanks for the link, very captivating speaker with some very interesting insights. I watched it from start to finish.

I particularly liked how he acknowledged the importance of games in order to gain market share. Games are not just for children, and if I have to keep Windows around just to play my PC games, then why not just stick with Windows and call it a day?

In general I think Linux was never designed as a way to make money and that's what hurting it the most. I liked how he emphasized the value of closed-source, commercial applications: this contrasts with the original GNU philosophy, but of course this is where Linux needs to go if it wants to at least rival Mac.

One issue he didn't focus on but I think is crucial is the user interface. GNOME and KDE just suck balls. Why don't Mac and Windows have wobbly windows? Because that's stupid. Why don't they have multiple desktops? Because that's stupid. Why do use they great-looking icons and sensible color schemes? Because that's extremely important. I believe GNOME should just copy Windows or Mac. They clearly can't do any better, yet they try so hard to be different, and fail to produce successful alternatives. Look at how Microsoft became big. Microsoft copied what others were doing right, marketed it well, and from there improved in their own way. That's what GNOME needs to do. If they copy Mac or Windows, not only will the UI probably look good and be user-friendly, but it'll also be instantly familiar to a wide range of users. Then when they get users, and make money, they can push their rip-off UI in their own original direction.

You lost all credibility using that word. Also, you talked about attitude... ;)

Oh nooo, my life is over.....

Anyhow, Debian or Fedora is the way to go.... Ubuntu is trying too hard to be foolproof and by that is restricting and limiting the OS, but hey it might be good for the "noobs" :)

Oh nooo, my life is over.....

Anyhow, Debian or Fedora is the way to go.... Ubuntu is trying too hard to be foolproof and by that is restricting and limiting the OS, but hey it might be good for the "noobs" :)

hahahahaha, you sound like those geeks with such low self-esteem that the need to call everyone with a lesser tech knownledge a "noob" arises, you know, just to feel good with themselves because their only real ability lies in a command shell.

But Im sure you are not one of them, right? :) No you dont, how could you?

hahahahaha, you sound like those geeks with such low self-esteem that the need to call everyone with a lesser tech knownledge a "noob" arises, you know, just to feel good with themselves because their only real ability lies in a command shell.

But Im sure you are not one of them, right? :) No you dont, how could you?

Well I definitely use all OSs, I have Win 7 PC, Macbook Pro and Fedora 12 and Debian at work.

I prefer for gaming Win 7, for work and everything else Mac OS X and then Fedora 12.

Am I a geek? ... I probably am in some ways, but I dont put down anyone that needs help.

What I dont like is people making extreme statements and then trying to justify them with their absolute nonexistent experience.

If you are trying to start some kind of argument you come to the wrong place though...

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Am I a geek? ... I probably am in some ways, but I dont put down anyone that needs help.

No, you dont... except if they are noobs of course :p

Fair enough. Gotta take a walk.

To try to add something useful to the thread...

Over the years, my four computers have turned into one laptop, and it's very well supported in Ubuntu (only one I've tried). No apparent hardware issues, and I know my way around a computer well enough to find information should any issues arise.

However, I still have not been able to make the full switch from Windows. I want to, for the sole purpose of forcing myself to learn something new (at my very old age) but I cannot seem to find acceptable alternatives to my tried and tested Windows programs.

IMO, until software is comparable in more areas than office applications, I am "stuck" with Windows. To be specific, AnyDVD, Microsoft Money, DVDShrink, and my Zune software are my hangups. I know DVDShrink runs with Wine, but I'd rather not mess with that. Money doesn't have any GOOD (to me) alternatives, AnyDVD is dependent on a drivers, so no luck there, and obviously my Zune software isn't going to happen.

If I could find solutions to everything but the Zune software I'd switch, and just dual boot for the few times I need to update my Zune.

Here's hoping for the future!

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No, you dont... except if they are noobs of course :p

Fair enough. Gotta take a walk.

No, except if they complain and curse instead of ask for help.... If you are not familiar, maybe you should look at some of these forums and you'll see the amount of arrogant brats that come in complaining for lack of drivers as if they've paid for the OS and someone has ripped them off....

Yes you do that.... some physical activity might do you good. Well at least is nice and sunny out where I am ....

Hey Lothodon, I havent played much with Ubuntu but if you want to build an alternative to Windows desktop the Howtoforge website has some great tutorials.

Check this tutorial on how to forge a perfect Fedora 12 desktop.

If you follow the steps described in the tutorial you will get a full fledged desktop.

I use Fedora 12 on daily bases and I find it quite easy to use, as a desktop computer...

if you really need some windows apps, and you cant use Wine to emulate them, you can always install Virtualbox and run windows .....

Cheers

BTW, what kind of laptop do you have. I've installed Fedora and Suse on Dell and HP laptops without any problems, so you might give it a go and see how you like it. If you look around on the website link I gave you , they also have a Ubuntu tutorial with some helpfull hints.

the only thing that makes linux suck is you need to use the terminal for alot of things(similar to cmd prompt)i know it has been improved but it is still not there yet. other than that linux is better than what it used to be.

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Where it starts to fall apart a bit is with more advanced features. Not being able to use a desktop app is a major compromise in my opinion, and having to do all of the configuration on a mobile device is annoying, but not impossible. If you don't want to have a full-fledged NAS device in your home, but still want control over your data (or maybe want an easy way to backup your data for World Backup Day), and want to add a couple of cameras to keep an eye on your house and your pets, this is a great, cheap, and easy way to go, and I suspect more functionality will come over time. If Synology releases a desktop app or at least a way to configure cameras and view footage on a desktop browser, this would be a near-perfect solution for a general home user. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
    • I forgot to add on my comment that when robots will take physical jobs, it's when they become more cheaper to manufacture and sell. That will be the starting point of the end to lanscaping, trash pickup, factory jobs, etc.
    • How many people can actually use a 2.5gig ethernet port? Most people do not have more than a 1gig internet connection, heck most have less than that. Most people at home do not have a switch that has multiple 2.5gig ports either.
    • Vantrue knocks up to 38% off two of its newest Dash Cams for Prime Day by Steven Parker Vantrue reached out to us here at Neowin saying they have a couple of dashcams with deep discounts during the Prime Day Sale. First up we have the Vantrue N4 Pro S that received a mega 36% off its normal MSRP of $419.99 (buying links below). Here are a few of its highlights: Flagship 4K 3CH Dash Cam w/ Triple STARVIS 2: Vantrue's flagship N4 Pro s Dash Camera features 4K+2.5K+1080P /30FPS 3 channel recording powered by Triple STARVIS 2 sensors. Dash cams deliver 155°+160°+165° wide-angle coverage for complete blind-spot-free protection. Whether navigating city traffic, monitoring passengers, or capturing scenic views, this professional-grade car dash camera ensures smooth, detailed footage day and night. Night Vision 4.0 & License Plate Recognition Unleash superior clarity at night with 360 dash camera for cars. Powered by PlatePix tech, dashcam combines 3 STARVIS 2 sensors (enhanced low-light sensitivity) and triple HDR (balanced exposure) for 2x higher license plate accuracy in dimly lit nights or intense backlight. Experience unmatched performance on nocturnal drives, where the system captures clear, readable license plates of vehicles traveling at speeds up to 31mph. Flexible 360° Rear Camera & Front+Rear Recording Modes: The rear dash camera features a 2.5K STARVIS 2 sensor with 360° rotation, enabling seamless traffic or trunk monitoring. Switch to Front and Rear mode (4K+2.5K) to prioritize road recording—this dual-channel mode reduces heat by 30% and saves power compared to triple recording, ensuring 4k dash cam cooler operation and 24/7 reliability even in summer. Captures clear, readable license plates at speeds up to 31mph on lit streets at night. 24/7 Protection with Buffered Parking Mode: Gain round-the-clock security for your parked vehicle with reliable dash cam 3 channel system. Buffered motion and impact detection ensure events are captured from 10 seconds before they occur. All three cameras remain active in parking mode, providing comprehensive surveillance while efficient recording maximizes storage. To activate parking modes, a hardwire kit (sold separately) is required for permanent connection to your vehicle's fuse box. 5G WiFi, Precision GPS, Voice Control: This advanced car video camera dash cam maintains a stable connection to your phone. Its 5GHz WiFi ensures lightning-fast video transfer, making downloads a breeze. The built-in high-precision GPS tracks your route, speed, and location—providing vital data for any incidents. Control settings hands-free with simple voice commands like "Take a photo," keeping you focused on the road. Loop Recording & Super Capacitor & up to 1TB Support: Dash cams revolutionize convenience with loop recording featuring 1/2/3-minute segments. When memory is full, it automatically overwrites older footage. Engineered for reliability, its robust super capacitor withstands extreme temps(-4°F to 140°F), guaranteeing uninterrupted operation even in scorching sun. Expand storage with up to 1TB microSD support, enabling 37+ hours of continuous 4K triple-camera recording (front+inside+rear). VANTRUE Memory Card Recommendation: Note: Dash cam does not include an SD card. Avoid using low-quality memory cards to prevent the camera from malfunctioning. We recommend using VANTRUE industrial-grade microSD cards, which offer longer lifespan (over 3 years) compared to consumer-grade. VANTRUE memory cards are rigorously tested specifically for dash cam recording to ensure optimal performance. Available on Amazon in 64GB, 128GB, 256GB, and 512GB capacities to suit your storage needs. So marketing jargon aside, what do you actually get? What's in the box? N4 Pro S Dash Cam, Rear Camera, 20ft rear camera cable Charging Cable Installation Tool Car Mount Quick Guide Vantrue also claims it is easy to install and comes with an 18-Month Warranty, 24/7 email support, and a 100% satisfaction guarantee. The Dash cam is said to also receive regular firmware updates for continuous improvements. With the 20ft rear camera cable, it is versatile enough to fit most vehicles, including cars, SUVs, minivans, trucks, and buses. Vantrue N4 Pro S for $269.99 (was $379.99) 36% off its MSRP of $419.99 No code required. Discount expires on June 26. Vantrue N4S (2026) Next up, there's an even bigger discount on the new (2026 edition) N4S Dash Cam. 2026 New 3-Channel Dash Cam & 360°Coverage Equipped with triple STARVIS 2-powered sensors, the Vantrue N4S dashcam records in super HD clarity: 2.7K front + 1440P interior + 1440P rear.Its 158° front, 165° cabin, and 160°rear wide-angle lenses eliminate blind spots, while HDR and PlatePix technology deliver sharp details and license plates day or night. This dash cam for cars is perfect for rideshare drivers and daily commuters. Night Vision 4.0 & High Temperature Proof Powered by STARVIS 2 Tech, the N4S dashcam for cars enhances light sensitivity and dynamic range in extreme low light. Triple HDR balances harsh contrasts—like headlights against dark roads—while PlatePix sharpens license plates by 2X, capturing crisp, identifiable footage on dark streets, in tunnels, or garages. This New N4S dashcam's supercapacitor design withstands extreme temperatures(-4℉ to 140℉), ensuring stable operation—safer and greener. Easy to Install & 360°versatile Rear Camera Set up effortlessly with our magnetic GPS mount, static cling film, and cable clips. Everything is tool‑free for a clean, wire‑hidden installation, and the mount stays stable on any drive. The rear camera rotates 360°, letting you monitor rear traffic or pivot it inward to keep an eye on cargo, luggage, or pets inside the vehicle. Versatile coverage whenever you need it. 24/7 Smart Parking Mode for Peace of Mind With 4 proprietary parking modes, the N4S 3-channel dashcam for cars lets you customize your protection. Motion detection triggers 10 seconds pre-event recording to capture full event. Collision detection auto-locks footage on impact/collision. Low bitrate/frame rate modes extend recording by reducing file size. Whatever the hour, your vehicle is always protected. 5GHz Wi-Fi & Support up to 1TB SD Card Access and download footage instantly with high‑speed 5GHz Wi-Fi. No need to remove the memory card or wait for transfers—critical clips are ready to view or share in seconds. This dash cam front and rear supports up to 1TB microSD cards (sold separately), giving you ample space for long trips or continuous loop recording. OTA firmware updates ensure your dashcam stays current with the latest features and improvements. So, again, aside from the marketing fluff mentioned above what do you actually get? What's in the box? Vantrue N4S Front and Inside Dash Cam x 1 Rear Camera x 1, Rear Camera Cable (20ft) x 1 Transparency Program card (with digital setup guide) x 1 Car Charger(11.5ft) x 1 USB Data Cable(3.3ft) x 1 GPS Adhesive Mount x 1 Crowbar x 1 Quick User Guide x 1 Electrostatic Stickers x 2 Spare Bracket Base Cable Clips The 2026 Edition of the N4S lets you track your journey with quad-mode GPS + BeiDou positioning. Experience supposedly faster satellite acquisition and reliable logging of your speed, location, and time in any environment. For rideshare or road trips, you can also trust the N4S dash cam front rear and inside cameras as your reliable co-driver. Like the Vantrue N4 Pro S, it is also backed by 24/7 support and extended warranty for complete peace of mind. Vantrue N4S (2026) for $174.99 (was $249.99) 38% off its MSRP of $279.99 No code required. Discount expires on June 26. Good to know This Amazon deal is U.S. specific, and not available in other regions unless specified. 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