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I was removing the home button entirely.

(Not saying that's what should have been done. I read over the bug page too, so I understand why, and agree with just moving it.)

EDIT: Are they really going to connect the home and bookmark buttons together?

If I read the corresponding Bugzilla entry correctly - yes.

9 now :p

It shouldn't take nearly that long for beta 8 unless something unexpected happens. If you look through the list, most of the remaining blockers appear to be fixed already; they just need to be tested or approved.

It's hard to tell how those 4 remaining Sync bugs are coming along though...

I am a Firefox fanboy, but I absolutely HATE how Mozilla is following IE and Chrome's retarded notion to put buttons in the top right.

What the f***, seriously

I know it's customizable, but who in their right minds thinks they are helping anyone by moving the default buttons as far away from the action as possible? Why do they want to force the user to move their mouse to the completely opposite side of the browser?

I even posted on Bugzilla that the combined Stop/Reload button should go on the left side of the address bar instead, or at least have the option to do it, and most of the people agreed but they never did it. How hard is it to allow it to anchor to the other side and flip the icons?

-The main navigation buttons are on the left

-The firefox button is on the left

-The menus (if enabled) are on the left

-The address bar is on the left

-The tabs are left justified

-The new tab button is left justified

-App Tabs are on the left

-Bookmarks on the bookmark bar are left justified

-The stop/reload buttons USED to be on the left

-The bookmarks button USED to be on the left

-The home button USED to be on the left

What's on the right side?

-Uh... The favorites star, I don't like unsorted bookmarks, but meh, I guess some people use it

-The drop down list arrow, who actually uses that?

-Panorama button, very out of the way, I moved it to be with the other buttons on the left

-All tabs list, I turn this off, not useful, even with 20 tabs open

-Search bar, which just wastes valuable real estate. I removed this, as the address bar does the exact same thing.

-The scroll bar... that's what a mouse wheel is for generally, this is something that should auto-fade out

For most people that I know, the mouse is generally on the left hand side of the browser when they are doing anything. The exception of course is when you're using the web page's content, but even then, webpages tend to have focus on the middle to leftish side of the webpage. This is just natural because sentences are left-justified as well.

Widescreen monitors have enflamed this issue, and now that companies are retardedly insistent on selling 16:9 monitors instead of 16:10 monitors (because it's more marketable, oh teh nos 1080p!!! It's worse than old monitor resolutions!!), the problem is just worse. Those buttons just keep getting shoved farther and farther away from the important parts of the browser.

Oh well, like I said, we can customize it, I'm gonna stop flaming now

Yeah I'm not too fond of putting everything on the right, either. Placing the home button on the right doesn't even make sense because it's going to be moved back to the left side in 4.x soon. Here's the explanation, but I don't find it a compelling argument.

Doesn't really bother me personally, though, since I don't even use the home button.

Yeah I'm not too fond of putting everything on the right, either. Placing the home button on the right doesn't even make sense because it's going to be moved back to the left side in 4.x soon. Here's the explanation, but I don't find it a compelling argument.

I see home as a super-Back button...brings you to the start of everything, or position all the navigation buttons together (back/forward).

Had to manually switch it back to its original position.

Yeah I'm not too fond of putting everything on the right, either. Placing the home button on the right doesn't even make sense because it's going to be moved back to the left side in 4.x soon. Here's the explanation, but I don't find it a compelling argument.

Doesn't really bother me personally, though, since I don't even use the home button.

wow that's such a contrived reason

I found myself restoring all of my app tabs today. The problem happens when I tear a tab away from the window the new window doesn't load any of the app tabs. If it is the last window closed then none of my app tabs are restored on start. Not having them open up in the new window is fine, but they should come back. They are not normal tabs.

Also, I think the only controls that are suppose to show on an app tab are the back and forward buttons...or at least typing an address should open in a new tab if it's in a different domain.

Does anyone know generally when they might get done with this? Are we talking spring 2011? Just curious.

most likely after february so i would say sometime between march and april.

my best bet is april though because there will be further delays in the remaining betas and rcs to come.

apptabs already work fine, i don't see why they don't just go and do the home tab as originally planned...

The actual home tab page (about:home) isn't fully fleshed out yet. All it is at the moment is a Google search box and some "snippets" (small bits of info from Mozilla, like an update announcement or an alert about an Flash flaw, etc.)

back up to 10 blockers :pinch:

i wouldnt be surprised if beta 8 doesnt show up till january.

9 now :p

It shouldn't take nearly that long for beta 8 unless something unexpected happens. If you look through the list, most of the remaining blockers appear to be fixed already; they just need to be tested or approved.

It's hard to tell how those 4 remaining Sync bugs are coming along though...

Only one bug left!

I'm really hoping to see a beta 8 build tommorow. Been experiencing too many random freezes w/ beta 7.

Okay, so that happened a lot quicker than I expected :p - but even if the last bug is finished right after I post this, don't expect beta 8 tomorrow. If things go well it shouldn't be long, though. This last remaining blocker has been patched but it just didn't have proper testing.

The Big Four (IE, Firefox, Chrome, Opera) are all looking great right now. I'm loving the browser wars right about now :)

I'm really hoping to see a beta 8 build tommorow. Been experiencing too many random freezes w/ beta 7.

B7's been a little quirky for me as well, so I went and switched to the Minefield nightly builds. Been very impressed with it, and (so far..) it's been quite reliable. Pleasantly surprised by it's performance too; tried the latest Chromium and Opera builds, and so far Firefox just feels all around smoother. B8 should be pretty solid once they wrap it up.

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