Opera 10.60 beta 1

[Denis W. Veteran]

Feature highlights:

• speed boost in benchmarks over 10.53 (not much change since public alpha)
  
• Windows Aero Peek-like tab thumbnails that appear when you hover over tabs
  
• Windows 7 thumbnails disabled by default; turn them on via Preferences > Advanced > Additional tab options
  
• WebM video support restored
  
• Geolocation support restored
  
• Some related HTML5 stuff (Web Workers, Offline Web Applications, Cross-Document Messaging)
  
• Search suggestions for Wikipedia, Yandex, and Bing (now the default Speed Dial search engine)
  

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[Bioran]

• Search suggestions for Wikipedia, Yandex, and Bing (now the default Speed Dial search engine)
  

Opera supports what MS does? Nice. :laugh:

[torrentthief]

i wonder if they are going to skip 10.54 as there have been no new builds of that for a while. 10.53 is still buggy, i guess we'll probably have to wait for 10.61 for a stable build of opera as i'm sure 10.60 will be very buggy too.

WebM support is still buggy, the volume level isn't saved, its 100% for every video, the fullscreen button doesn't make it fullscreen, instead it just maximises it within the window and there are missing resolutions for videos e.g only 360p and 720p, no 480p available to choose.

[Steven P. Administrators]

OMG 30 mins for a 10MB download :/

[Chasethebase Veteran]

It's a shame that Opera uses its own rendering engine as well, leaving most websites with square corners alike Internet Explorer. Still a good browser but if it can't render most sites properly I'll never use it.

Also haha Neobond, mine took 30 seconds not minutes. :p

[Malisk]

Opera supports what MS does? Nice. :laugh:

In this case, "support" isn't very much to strive for however. :devil:

[Quillz]

I don't like that Opera is turning off taskbar thumbnails by default, as it seems to run counter to the default Windows 7 taskbar behavior. IE8, Safari and other browsers all support the thumbnail tabs by default, and you turn them off, not the other way around.

[coth]

mine took under 10 secs for international version (14mb). it's even doesn't have bing when installing russian locale.

[e-berlin.org]

I don't like that Opera is turning off taskbar thumbnails by default, as it seems to run counter to the default Windows 7 taskbar behavior. IE8, Safari and other browsers all support the thumbnail tabs by default, and you turn them off, not the other way around.

Imagine you have 30+ active tabs. :wacko: It's irritating for people who use Opera with lots of tabs always active (like I do), plus you can always activate it in Preferences

[Avlor]

Just DLed, having a?massive memory leak. 1.2GB and counting, with only Google Reader and Neowin open

[coth]

Avlor, check if the down key on your keyboard is not stuck;) Google Reader has ajax preloading every time you scroll to the bottom. It works ok for me. No leaks with Reader and Neowin opened.

[Avlor]

Avlor, check if the down key on your keyboard is not stuck;) Google Reader has ajax preloading every time you scroll to the bottom. It works ok for me. No leaks with Reader and Neowin opened.

Nope, didn't help. :no: Closed everything except Neowin, 1.4GB. It builds up really quickly after launch, in about 10 minutes I reach over 1.5GB?

[rawr_boy81]

Dear Opera,

Please make Opera suck less on Mac OS X.

Love From,

Teh Interwebs

[brentaal]

Just DLed, having a?massive memory leak. 1.2GB and counting, with only Google Reader and Neowin open

Same.

[Dennis_87]

It's a shame that Opera uses its own rendering engine as well, leaving most websites with square corners alike Internet Explorer. Still a good browser but if it can't render most sites properly I'll never use it.

Its not Operas fault that many web designer don't use the correct border radius. Because many use -moz-border-radius that only mozilla understand.

http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-background/

[~Johnny]

It's a shame that Opera uses its own rendering engine as well, leaving most websites with square corners alike Internet Explorer. Still a good browser but if it can't render most sites properly I'll never use it.

Wait, what? Opera's rendering engine does support rounded CSS corners if that's what you mean =/

Not sure what sites you're finding that don't render properly but basically everything I go on works fine

[e-berlin.org]

It's a shame that Opera uses its own rendering engine as well, leaving most websites with square corners alike Internet Explorer. Still a good browser but if it can't render most sites properly I'll never use it.

Show me ONE SINGLE web page with 100% clean code that is rendered wrong in Opera, please!

Its rendering engine follows all W3C requirements and regulations, it's HTML5 capable, etc., etc. The 'problem' is it's not a wh*re like the rest - rendering all sorts of crap in half-compatibility modes. It's strict and it renders dirty code the way dirty code is supposed to be rendered. That's why Opera is web developers' choice, not yours.

[Negi]

Show me ONE SINGLE web page with 100% clean code that is rendered wrong in Opera, please!

Unfortunately, that's completely irrelevant unless you spend all your time browsing only compliance benchmarks. The rest of us need to use the real Internet.

That's why Opera is web developers' choice, not yours.

Well, that's funny, given how Dragonfly is THE slowest and crappiest web development tool I've had the displeasure of using. :whistle:

In fact, I'd say that's possibly the reason web developers don't bother to test for Opera. Not when it makes life so difficult for them.

[brentaal]

That's why Opera is web developers' choice, not yours.

Don't generalize.

[ViperAFK]

Neowin itself uses rounded corners that work fine in opera...

Its not Operas fault that many web designer don't use the correct border radius. Because many use -moz-border-radius that only mozilla understand.

http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-background/

And QFT.

And can we stop the moronic fanboy browser bashing in every thread?

[x-byte]

Hopefully 10.6 will add good HTML5 support. Looks like most will be there, which is nice.

Now lets add to the fire:

- Opera sux because it have a big red O as logo

- It sux because it doesn't use webkit or Gecko

- It can't render sites at all, which is why it sux

- They complained to EU? What?! Then they sux

Missing something?

[Kudos Veteran]

Hopefully 10.6 will add good HTML5 support. Looks like most will be there, which is nice.

Now lets add to the fire:

- Opera sux because it have a big red O as logo

- It sux because it doesn't use webkit or Gecko

- It can't render sites at all, which is why it sux

- They complained to EU? What?! Then they sux

Missing something?

- Opera is full of bloat

- Opera has a non-standard UI

Be sure to add those to your strawman list.

[.Neo]

- Opera is full of bloat

- Opera has a non-standard UI

Be sure to add those to your strawman list.

- It runs like a dog on Mac OS X and uses a quirky non-standard interface.

[Kudos Veteran]

- Opera doesn't contribute to open source in any meaningful way

- It runs like a dog on Mac OS X and uses a quirky non-standard interface.

Is there an echo in here?

[Denis W. Veteran]

Wait, what? Opera's rendering engine does support rounded CSS corners if that's what you mean =/

If you jump into the source of, say this page, it's quite a bit of a mess with regards to corners: there's the prefix for Webkit browsers, the prefix for Gecko, and the non prefix for Trident or Presto. For now some sites assume only the first two, not the latter.

With regards to the OS X complaints, I did have a quick look at it and it does feel a little awkward. It's not that bad though... if you want really awkward, check out the Linux port. :p