Opera 10.60 beta 1

[.Neo]

Is there an echo in here?

Where did you say it runs poorly on Mac OS X?

[HawkMan]

If you jump into the source of, say this page, it's quite a bit of a mess with regards to corners: there's the prefix for Webkit browsers, the prefix for Gecko, and the non prefix for Trident or Presto. For now some sites assume only the first two, not the latter.

With regards to the OS X complaints, I did have a quick look at it and it does feel a little awkward. It's not that bad though... if you want really awkward, check out the Linux port. :p

Opera is probably the only browser that actually fucntions properly on linux.

Chrome, the text and the adress bar is either to high or to low, and it jumps between the two for every letter I type.

Chrome and FF both ignore whatever icon theme Gnome is using. Chrome uses some of the OS cursors, FF just say "nah, I really don't like the OS cursors, you're going to use this special in FF only cursors because that's what I say"...

[.Neo]

With regards to the OS X complaints, I did have a quick look at it and it does feel a little awkward. It's not that bad though... if you want really awkward, check out the Linux port. :p

It's really slow on older Macs as well.

[Denis W. Veteran]

Opera is probably the only browser that actually fucntions properly on linux.

Chrome, the text and the adress bar is either to high or to low, and it jumps between the two for every letter I type.

Chrome and FF both ignore whatever icon theme Gnome is using. Chrome uses some of the OS cursors, FF just say "nah, I really don't like the OS cursors, you're going to use this special in FF only cursors because that's what I say"...

That's odd... the Opera port has different font rendering in the UI and webpages compared to the rest of the system. I'm basing this off running Opera in Ubuntu 10.04.

[Quillz]

Imagine you have 30+ active tabs. :wacko: It's irritating for people who use Opera with lots of tabs always active (like I do), plus you can always activate it in Preferences

I know it can be turned on again, but like I said, the default Win7 behavior is to have them on. I'd prefer most Windows applications to follow system standards whenever possible.

[HawkMan]

That's odd... the Opera port has different font rendering in the UI and webpages compared to the rest of the system. I'm basing this off running Opera in Ubuntu 10.04.

I've yet to see a browser that renders nice fonts on linux though. but not as annoying as the cursor thing. Bur fonts on linux browsers tend to be a lot smaller than they should be for some reason.

But it is part of the reason why I rarely boot into ubuntu, that and the horrible flash performance and lack of a decent RDP client to connect to my media center.

Also is it me or is the beta more unstable than the alpha ? the alpha/daily builds worked great for me. the beta seems to crash occasionally, and relatively often when I click tabs, maybe when I switch tabs to fast or something, not sure.

[brentaal]

I've yet to see a browser that renders nice fonts on linux though.

Both Firefox and Chrome render the fonts for me exactly as they're instructed to via the Font settings in Gnome. Be it slight, medium, full hinting, autohint, subpixel or not, it renders it exactly as the rest of the system, without any deviations. Opera doesn't.

[HawkMan]

Both Firefox and Chrome render the fonts for me exactly as they're instructed to via the Font settings in Gnome. Be it slight, medium, full hinting, autohint, subpixel or not, it renders it exactly as the rest of the system, without any deviations. Opera doesn't.

Perhaps, but Opera seems to render fonts closer to like the webdesigner wanted it to be, though, it still looks toos mall on all linux browsers.

[PreKe]

Its rendering engine follows all W3C requirements and regulations, it's HTML5 capable, etc., etc. The 'problem' is it's not a wh*re like the rest - rendering all sorts of crap in half-compatibility modes. It's strict and it renders dirty code the way dirty code is supposed to be rendered.

Huh? What are you talking about?

Opera is probably more of a "######" than the rest because it isn't supported by most sites. So it needs to add even more compatibility workarounds in practice. It was designed from the ground up to handle "Street HTML", as they call it. Meaning that they go out of their way to be compatible with crappy code.

Which is also why most compatibility problems are because of browser sniffing.

[PreKe]

Well, that's funny, given how Dragonfly is THE slowest and crappiest web development tool I've had the displeasure of using. :whistle:

It apparently reached 100K active (daily, I think) users a while ago. Clearly, a lot of developers like it.

[HawkMan]

Huh? What are you talking about?

Opera is probably more of a "######" than the rest because it isn't supported by most sites. So it needs to add even more compatibility workarounds in practice. It was designed from the ground up to handle "Street HTML", as they call it. Meaning that they go out of their way to be compatible with crappy code.

Which is also why most compatibility problems are because of browser sniffing.

I don't quite think you understand how this works.

back in the days, the web was like the wild west, there was no standards. And only one browser even supported, promoted and followed the W3C suggestions. guess which one.

Today there are standards, andfor the web to work as big as it's gotten. Web sites need to follow these standards, so the browsers knows how to render them.

[Denis W. Veteran]

Both Firefox and Chrome render the fonts for me exactly as they're instructed to via the Font settings in Gnome. Be it slight, medium, full hinting, autohint, subpixel or not, it renders it exactly as the rest of the system, without any deviations. Opera doesn't.

Yeah, that's what I meant.

Would be nice if they can get this fixed by final, but at this rate it's probably going into a 10.6x release (if at all).

I know it can be turned on again, but like I said, the default Win7 behavior is to have them on. I'd prefer most Windows applications to follow system standards whenever possible.

What's also weird is that since they disabled taskbar thumbnails by default, sometimes the taskbar thumbnails break. For instance, I get only two window previews in the taskbar when I have seven tabs.

[PreKe]

I don't quite think you understand how this works.

back in the days, the web was like the wild west, there was no standards. And only one browser even supported, promoted and followed the W3C suggestions. guess which one.

You don't understand how this works. If Opera had followed the standards 100% and refused to render broken code, it wouldn't have worked anywhere. So they did build Opera from the ground up for compatibility while at the same time working to push open standards.

[iwod]

Beta 10.6 is nice. Much faster then 10.53 and previous 10.6 Alpha on my old Pentium 4 Machine.?

However this could have been because upgrading to 10.6 Beta wipe out my profile!!! ( Clean Profile is always faster )? So be warned if anyone is using 10.6 alpha previously.

[MR_Candyman]

Why does every Opera thread turn into a degeneration of the same arguments over and over again? If you people don't like it, don't use it. Personally, I love Opera. I find it works with every site I encounter. I love it's features. I love it's speed. I love how I never encounter bugs (yes, some people claim they encounter obscure bugs, but I have no issues). It works for me. That's what matters. I don't see firefox or chrome threads degenerating constantly like the Opera ones do from the get-go.

[brentaal]

If you people don't like it, don't use it.

If you don't like people's comments in Opera threads, don't read them. ;)

[MR_Candyman]

If you don't like people's comments in Opera threads, don't read them. ;)

These asinine comments make it hard to actually find useful comments. I try to find useful information in a post, which is why I read comments.

[Negi]

- Opera sux because it have a big red O as logo

- It sux because it doesn't use webkit or Gecko

- It can't render sites at all, which is why it sux

- They complained to EU? What?! Then they sux

Missing something?

Yes. It's lacking in features.

[guru]

Why does every Opera thread turn into a degeneration of the same arguments over and over again? If you people don't like it, don't use it. Personally, I love Opera. I find it works with every site I encounter. I love it's features. I love it's speed. I love how I never encounter bugs (yes, some people claim they encounter obscure bugs, but I have no issues). It works for me. That's what matters. I don't see firefox or chrome threads degenerating constantly like the Opera ones do from the get-go.

+1

probably because because of smaller user community of opera, haters think that they waltz over to opera threads and trash and get away with it :/

[mr.r9]

Hey Opera users,

I have an honest question. Does Opera have something like AdBlock plus on firefox? I tried Chrome but the AdBlock extension on it doesn't block ads properly, it removes them after they load while in Firefox it blocks them from loading.

[MR_Candyman]

The built-in ad blocker works very well. There's a good block list here

[PreKe]

However this could have been because upgrading to 10.6 Beta wipe out my profile!!!

No, it just installs to a different (beta) folder to prevent you from accidentally installing over your main Opera installation.

[tablet_user]

worked in windows 7 x64, didnt keep it though still use IE.

Crashed in linux everytime something flash had to load, removed it and still use IE in linux as well.

[dr_crabman]

I know it can be turned on again, but like I said, the default Win7 behavior is to have them on. I'd prefer most Windows applications to follow system standards whenever possible.

They had it that way after the feature was first implemented but a lot of people complained in their forums and blogs so it was changed. Can't please everyone.

Btw. the new build released today fixes a lot of small stuff. Imo it's the best build since a long time.

[strelok1911]

Opera 10.60 is pretty good.

I've been using it for the past two days.

I still dont know if I'll switch from my lovely IE8