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Well, this thread is a blemish on a otherwise spotless record, but with what most people agree on, becoming a subscriber isn't just about the 'extra benefits'.

I've been here since the beginning, yes, since the first week Neobond and Redmak set up this whole thing back in July 2001. There is a good reason why I keep coming back too.

I subscribed not only to support these guys, and a awesome website that this is, but also to support the mods, the news guys, the devs and everyone else who works behind the scenes.

Also, I subscribed to get rid of the ads, I run a adblocker, but this way, being a Subscriber, I can still support the site without feeling guilty that I am blocking their ads. With it being blocked on their end, I'm hurting running costs by still running this software.

So Ozgeek, yes, you have some valid arguments, but also, alot of them are unfounded if you spend so much time here. What exactly is about the website that makes you keep coming back? Whatever that reason is, is also the reason why you could donate or subscribe.

Donating is just as fine as Subscribing btw. Everything counts to keeping this site as awesome as it is. Just remember, everything Neobond and Redmak do, is to benefit us, and not themselves. They do this in their spare time, as a hobby for us. For that reason, I for one, am grateful and proud of them for keeping things pretty much as they were back in 01.

So is it worth subscribing? Yes.

Even if it is for the hardcore pornography subscriber forum. :D

I don't understand what this thread is for - Subscription is an option. If you don't like the features, then don't subscribe. Nobody is really bothered by it.

It's not meant for everyone - like any other product out there.

Plain and simple.

"I don't understand what this thread is for - Subscription is an option"

Wouldn't that be a great extra subscription perk though.. 'Pay 100 ? and a senior staff member will come to your house to clean it once a month. In the buff.'

who told you we were implementing that? someones been leaking info :shiftyninja:

I hope your trolling its a tech forum http://whirlpool.net.au/ :p

Someone complaining about something they dont need to purchase to use the forum? and nothing of importance was lost..

Whirlpool is the brand of a washing machine in the UK, lol.

I just became a subscriber :-)

nice :)

I won't subscribe because i find a lot of the content is taken and re-reported without any credit. You find it a lot on this site. This site is only at this level, because they were in the right place at the right time when people started using web forums.

I am an occasional surfer these days, but mostly subscribe to neowin's sources via twitter... that way i never really need to take the time to visit half the sites.

my 2 cents

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I know I contribute just by posting and trying to help others. Every member and every post counts as it attracts more members and more posts. Still, there's a point where costs have to come into play, and that is why subscriptions exist.

This.

We want people to post and help each other, and if that's all someone does, that's still great. Neowin is nothing without active members.

If you subscribe as well, so much the better, since Neowin doesn't exactly have an orchard of money trees to fund it.

The subscriber perks are there as a 'thank you' for people who helps us out financially, but I never understood it to be meant as a 'purchase' as such. "If you support Neowin and love us, please helps us out", not "Buy features x and y and get z half price".

Neowin is unique (like any community of course). The features offered and decisions made are done on the basis of what suits Neowin. We don't really care if forums a, b and c are all offering features x and y. We'll offer features x and y if and only if it's a good choice for our community. When these decisions are made the admins have to take into account the impact on our resources (finances are not actually infinite, anywhere) and the impact on the community. If we removed flood control and had an out of control spamfest it would obviously degrade the quality of the forums.

If you don't want to subscribe no one will hold it against you. It's meant to be a positive show of support if you do, that doesn't translate into anything negative if you don't.

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I would rep you if I hadn't run out of points for the day.

It's our way of showing that we're grateful for what the staff provide, not just in the form of news on the front page but with the forums as well. This is only the second site I've bought a subscription for (The first being deviantART) and I'm more likely to buy one again here because I use the site a lot. I decided it was worth my time to subscribe considering the amount of time I spend here.

I won't subscribe because i find a lot of the content is taken and re-reported without any credit. You find it a lot on this site. This site is only at this level, because they were in the right place at the right time when people started using web forums.

I am an occasional surfer these days, but mostly subscribe to neowin's sources via twitter... that way i never really need to take the time to visit half the sites.

my 2 cents

It's more than just the right place and time. I used to frequent a lot of great forums that died out. They couldn't make the balance between the cost of operation and having a good forum that attracted attention. One of the best forums I ever was a part of was called homegrownhiphopzone.com. It had a great setup, had constant battles and tournaments, it had a LOT of big name hip hop artists on the site who were not only regular posters, but regulars in battles and tournaments. It was probably the best site ever of it's kind. Still, it shut down because of operating costs.

Alright...alright.... I do know it cost money to run but so do the other sites.

What you say about supporting...is clicking on ads also supporting the site??

The other sites you mentioned make money by selling products and services like games and internet connections, Neowin is a tech news website with a forum, they dont make money other than ads and subscriptions.

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You have almost 7000 posts on this forum and you feel you don't need to support it even a little bit? Who cares about what you get for subscribing. It's supporting a forum that you post on quite regularly. Such a weird attitude to take. :wacko:

These are forums, and Neowin is making a profit off of their users, subscribers or not. Is that not supporting Neowin, just by visiting them... I know you fell the need to go above and beyond, well a lot don't becuse there are so many other options out there.

I'm just tired of being nickle and dimed by everyone. I get it in website (like neowin), I get it in the mail, I get it when I go out to dinner, I get it on the phone, I get it when I buy a cup of coffee, I get it, I get it, and I get it again...

You just have to say.... ENOUGH!

These are forums, and Neowin is making a profit off of their users, subscribers or not. Is that not supporting Neowin, just by visiting them... I know you fell the need to go above and beyond, well a lot don't becuse there are so many other options out there.

I'm just tired of being nickle and dimed by everyone. I get it in website (like neowin), I get it in the mail, I get it when I go out to dinner, I get it on the phone, I get it when I buy a cup of coffee, I get it, I get it, and I get it again...

You just have to say.... ENOUGH!

I guess Neowin could just do away with the Free memberships then ?

I doubt they are in a profit from ads, and keeping up such a good site AND paying staff is not cheap, I wouldnt be surprised if they are just breaking even

I doubt they are in a profit from ads, and keeping up such a good site AND paying staff is not cheap, I wouldnt be surprised if they are just breaking even

That is what they want you to think, I hear rumours on the internets that neobond has a gold plated router n stuff :p

I'm just tired of being nickle and dimed by everyone. I get it in website (like neowin), I get it in the mail, I get it when I go out to dinner, I get it on the phone, I get it when I buy a cup of coffee, I get it, I get it, and I get it again...

that sounds like, well, life.

These are forums, and Neowin is making a profit off of their users, subscribers or not. Is that not supporting Neowin, just by visiting them... I know you fell the need to go above and beyond, well a lot don't becuse there are so many other options out there.

I'm just tired of being nickle and dimed by everyone. I get it in website (like neowin), I get it in the mail, I get it when I go out to dinner, I get it on the phone, I get it when I buy a cup of coffee, I get it, I get it, and I get it again...

You just have to say.... ENOUGH!

You try running a profitable business from giving away stuff for free.

You are not forced into a paid membership, no one is looking at you in a bad light for not subscribing.

It's simply there for members who wants to show their appreciation for a website that's given plenty of valuable feedback, information and good laughs to it's members.

I don't understand the purpose of posting why one will not subscribe? If you don't want to subscribe...don't. No reason to post/flaunt the reasons why you will not subscribe. Neowin isn't forcing or sending out daily spam to "Subscribe".

I will subscribe when I get back from my upcoming deployment...or maybe sooner depending on my internet connection in the deployed environment.

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