Why I won't subscribe

[rajputwarrior]

i've been here for six years, i just subscribed. it was WAYYYYYYYYYYYY overdue for me to give back a bit.

[MR_Candyman]

I always wanted to subscribe, the lack of PayPal stops me though.... :blush:

Have to pass my PayPal having friends some money next time I can :laugh:

I'm pretty sure you can pay without a paypal account, as long as you have a credit card

[Vice]

I agree, when they are spammed out like they are currently.

It might be an idea to only allow staff and thread starters to give rep.

[Gocom]

I always wanted to subscribe, the lack of PayPal stops me though.... :blush:

Have to pass my PayPal having friends some money next time I can :laugh:

Why don't you have PayPal account? Because of security? PayPal doesn't even require credit card or anything. Only real requirement is working email address. Well, you do need to own a bank account atleast (or use false credentials when registering and use someone elses, lol) to transfer money thru paypal from your account. Or you can ofcourse run non-verified account and fool ppl to donate to your paypal.

[Hylands]

Why don't you just stay at whirlpool.au.net if it's so good?

[jshimmy3]

The only "problem" I've had with Neowin is it seems hard to get started and fit in (note: this is just my opinion). I've read many topics on this site and even learned some great information, but I've never been sure how I could give back. Subscribing could very well be that method for me.

[SkyDX]

I don't have a credit card, they aren't popular in Germany xD

And well of course I have a bank account but it's not Online Banking enabled and I know PayPal is perfectly safe, just I'm a bit paranoid with money over internet...

I ordered twice online and that only through a friend, I'm a "physical money" and "getting stuff of actual stores" person :p

[Damian]

How can you not subscribe after seeing how much work (especially in coding and web design) goes to this website and to the forum? Neowin has changed a lot since i registered and I think that the subscribers helped a bit by donating.

Its weird to hear you say that since you've been a member here longer than me.

Will subscribe to Tier 2 when my Tier 1 expire. (Y)

[Matrix XII]

You're a selfish horrible freeloading person. gtfo our internets

+1

Couldn't agree more.

[ozgeek]

You're a selfish horrible freeloading person. gtfo our internets

Your point is moot. I pay for access to the internet each month. And internet here in australia is not cheap in most places. So it's not excatly freeloading. Even I am on a capped plan with 50 GB a month for $50. And you americans have unlimited. Your unlimited downloading is "freeloading" whereas I have to be carefull to what I download.

[p858snake]

Your point is moot. I pay for access to the internet each month. And internet here in australia is not cheap in most places. So it's not excatly freeloading. Even I am on a capped plan with 50 GB a month. And you americans have unlimited. Your unlimited downloading is "freeloading" whereas I have to be carefull to what I download.

I'm on the same plan (49.99 a month for 50gb up and down) and i would have no issue paying to become a sub.

[Techno_Funky]

I never really went through all those features/advantages, thought I'll support this site so here I am a subscriber.

[bdsams Veteran]

The only "problem" I've had with Neowin is it seems hard to get started and fit in (note: this is just my opinion). I've read many topics on this site and even learned some great information, but I've never been sure how I could give back. Subscribing could very well be that method for me.

Thats basically the point of subs...if you think about how much it would cost you to pay for some of the tech advice on here, it would be several times the cost of a sub...before I was on staff I sub'd...think of it this way, if you get one PC issue fixed and didnt have to pay for support from dell,hp, bestbuy, you have saved yourself money already...

[Richard Hammond]

Your point is moot. I pay for access to the internet each month. And internet here in australia is not cheap in most places. So it's not excatly freeloading. Even I am on a capped plan with 50 GB a month. And you americans have unlimited. Your unlimited downloading is "freeloading" whereas I have to be carefull to what I download.

You pay access for the ability to browse the internet, that money doesnt go to every site you visit, that goes to the company that enables you access to the internet. Every site you visit isnt free to run it costs money the forums you listed earlier like Steam forums their company Valve makes and sells videogames, they get millions and millions in revenue so they can afford to put up a web forum.

Neowin doesnt make millions and millions, they make just enough money from ad revenue and subscriptions to stay afloat, of course they are going to add some sort of incentive to get people to subscribe so they can keep bringing us this brilliant website and forum.

Everyone has to pay for their internet you arent the only one and many people have worse monthly caps than you.

[TDT]

Guess I'm one of the lucky guys, I pay 10$/month for the internet, unlimited traffic, 100Mbps metro and 6Mbps external. :D

Anyway, on-topic, there's something I don't get. You're giving us examples about this thing being free on some forum, that thing being better on some other forum...why are you here then?!

[Vice]

Your point is moot. I pay for access to the internet each month. And internet here in australia is not cheap in most places. So it's not excatly freeloading. Even I am on a capped plan with 50 GB a month for $50. And you americans have unlimited. Your unlimited downloading is "freeloading" whereas I have to be carefull to what I download.

This argument is so flawed. It is like saying you pay to get a Business Phone Book so every company listed inside has to give you free service just because you know the numbers to call them.

Paying for your Internet Access doesn't mean you are entitled to access anything via the internet it just means you now have the infrastructure required to request access. Your ISP is the equivalent of a Road, nothing more nothing less.

[Darth Laidher]

This argument is so flawed. It is like saying you pay to get a Business Phone Book so every company listed inside has to give you free service just because you know the numbers to call them.

Paying for your Internet Access doesn't mean you are entitled to access anything via the internet it just means you now have the infrastructure required to request access. Your ISP is the equivalent of a Road, nothing more nothing less.

I wish that was true. Imagine all the free stuff we could get from online stores lol.Damn that would be a beautiful day lol.

[Lee G. Veteran]

* Removes flood control.

Common standard on many forums I visit for free. Steam and whirlpool.net.au forums for example.

You do realise that Steam and Whirlpool.net.au are businesses, providing them with a great deal of revenue? They can afford it, whereas Neowin has to solely rely on ads and subscriptions to maintain and upgrade their servers. In order to cope with demand Neowin has to understandably put a few limits on its users.

[lemonbear]

I agree with the statement made about the 'heavy-handed' mods on Whirlpool. They are like Nazis. Worst lot of mods on any Internet forum IMO. Just got binned for a week because of some really negligible posts.

[+Anarkii Subscriber²]

I'm surprised, with the content of some of my posts (although they are all said just to stir up people and get responses) im surprised I haven't gotten the ban hammer a few times.

Actually, I dont even have a warning atm :D

Im pretty proud of that considering the crap that dribbles out of my mouth at times lol

[Conjor]

Why don't you have PayPal account? Because of security? PayPal doesn't even require credit card or anything. Only real requirement is working email address. Well, you do need to own a bank account atleast (or use false credentials when registering and use someone elses, lol) to transfer money thru paypal from your account. Or you can ofcourse run non-verified account and fool ppl to donate to your paypal.

When I signed up they required a credit card to confirm address and identity. Not sure if this is still true.

[Hawk999]

I would like to thank ozgeek for his post.

It made me realize how disgusting the entitlement mentality really is.

As a consequence I just have become a subscriber to Neowin.

It's was time to give the guys from Neowin, that have been giving me so much, something back.

Thanks guys.

[AdzzzUK]

You know, if the purpose of ozGeeks posting was to boost the subscriber numbers... then I think it worked.

Great reverse psychology there :) And welcome to all new subscribers!!

ozGeek, some very good points have been raised here - while your reasoning is perfectly valid, it is ultimately flawed. I (and many other people) became a subscriber because we wanted to. We wanted to give something back to the site that has been at the forefront of technology news for many a year. It's a private site staffed by a small number of dedicated people who are passionate about technology and making news available.

The site is funded by subscriptions and donations, and while it may be part-owned by StarDock they allow for Neowin to be completely impartial and autonomous. You won't find that on your "Valve" or "Whirlpool" forums, they are run for profit and are an extension to an existing business

Neowin is a business in its own right. Your earlier comparison to "well I pay for internet so why should I pay extra for access to websites?" - is like comparing chalk and cheese. You're paying for internet access. You can access Neowin for free. All that subscribing does is show your support for a site - one that you clearly spend a lot of time at judging by your post count - and you get a couple of things given as a "thank you". You don't have to use them. Comparing specific items - flood control, REALLY?? - is just crazy.

Nobody is asking you to subscribe. You choose not to, fair enough, that's your decision. But was a list of "reasons" as to why you don't want to contribute more than just flame-baiting really necessary? I fail to see why you bothered posting at all apart from to incite negative feedback?

Me, I'm happy stumping up my £20 a year. Neowin is a great site, and I'm happy that I'm a part of it - and if I can continue to do my bit by paying what amounts to loose change every month to help support the community - then I'm more than happy to.

[Midge]

I would like to thank ozgeek for his post.

It made me realize how disgusting the entitlement mentality really is.

As a consequence I just have become a subscriber to Neowin.

It's was time to give the guys from Neowin, that have been giving me so much, something back.

Thanks guys.

this, new subscriber here.

[Richard Hammond]

Maybe this was a marketing ploy by Neobond to get people to feel guilty and subscribe :ninja: