OMG, I got a negative vote! What for?


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I think it's a good idea for staff to have but I don't think MVC's should have it. I've seen them derail threads and make snide comments before I don't think they should all get the ability to down vote. Some MVC's like Rappy who deserve the MVC badge should be allowed while others (which I won't name) clearly do not deserve the badge or this negative vote ability.

I think it's a good idea for staff to have but I don't think MVC's should have it. I've seen them derail threads and make snide comments before I don't think they should all get the ability to down vote. Some MVC's like Rappy who deserve the MVC badge should be allowed while others (which I won't name) clearly do not deserve the badge or this negative vote ability.

I agree with that.

I think it's a good idea for staff to have but I don't think MVC's should have it. I've seen them derail threads and make snide comments before I don't think they should all get the ability to down vote. Some MVC's like Rappy who deserve the MVC badge should be allowed while others (which I won't name) clearly do not deserve the badge or this negative vote ability.

This is true. I hope they change it to mods only.

I understand perfectly how the system works.

  • I post something at MVC "Alpha"'s thread on something's he's expert about
  • "Alpha" doesn't like what I type
  • "Alpha" doesn't like that I disagree with him, votes me down
  • I recruit brentaal to upboat me
  • ??????
  • Profit!

It's one thing to be 'wrong' or to disagree with someone: I do that all the time and I don't think anybody would mod down for that. It's another thing to be deliberately deceptive, flame-baity, etc.
If I were going to down-vote it'd be for something like:
  • User makes a thread in Linux forums "Hey Guys, how can I install photoshop?"
  • I say 'photoshop isn't a linux application, give gimp a shot'
  • Someone else says 'above poster is wrong, photoshop can be made to work with WINE'
  • Some other guy shows up with 'Linux sucks, stop being a communist and just use windows' vote down
  • Someone else says 'for simple stuff a virtual machine might be a good choice too'

Already spotted a flaw in our system.. when a staffer votes down it doesn't stop someone cancelling the vote by applying a positive vote, will make this a priority to block + votes when a - vote has been applied.

I sort of like that there's a self-correcting mechanism in place. Maybe make a down-vote count as -3 or -5 but still allow up votes so if say 2 staff say "-10" it could be cancelled if many people disagree with that decision. I believe the karma system was intended to reflect the community's opinion of the member. Warning reflects the moderators' opinion of the member (negative) and MVC/Staff positions reflect the opinion of MVC & staff members (positive).

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can you hide the negative button? I dont see the point of it being viewable if I cant use it.

I suspect positives will be used by people more now if its meant to be a measure of 'karma'. I cant help but think karma is a little futile unless you intend to use it for something, would the staff care to elabore on the future uses for this yardstick?

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  • You complained in the thread that someone negatively voted you, in this instance I will join in the vote process too.

:rofl: That part amused me greatly!

Nice addition, and I hope that upper staff (Admins and maybe Supers) have a means to check for abuse of this feature to avoid perception/accusation that a staffer or MVC is abusing the feature. (Y)

It feels like it adds a negative aspect to the posting environment here. Just seeing the negative sign alone does it. Can't you guys manually remove rep from naughty people after you discuss it in the secret forums?

That would be too many people to deal with. Unless they report it.

I sort of like that there's a self-correcting mechanism in place. Maybe make a down-vote count as -3 or -5 but still allow up votes so if say 2 staff say "-10" it could be cancelled if many people disagree with that decision. I believe the karma system was intended to reflect the community's opinion of the member. Warning reflects the moderators' opinion of the member (negative) and MVC/Staff positions reflect the opinion of MVC & staff members (positive).

I like that idea. Maybe give weights to different negative votes. MVC can do a -1, Forum Mods -2, GMods -3, Supers -5, Admins -10, Coder/Dev -9999999 :ninja:

If there's some troll post that has five reputation points, and a moderator or MVC chooses to negative rep it, does the rep just go down to 4? It won't be effective if that's the case, and you do sometimes see trolling posts that have some positive rep.

meh, I think it's useless.

You could always take off 20 rep points (or even more, depending on the offense) for every warning a member gets. That would be far more efficient, and doesn't a negative environment to the forums.

but what would all this rep do anyway? Unless you visit their profile you wont know about their rep. I'm the sort of guy that would gain alot of rep then lose it all in one day as im in a dodgy mood. Unless the rep is showing on the avatar or at least on view it wont matter

but what would all this rep do anyway? Unless you visit their profile you wont know about their rep. I'm the sort of guy that would gain alot of rep then lose it all in one day as im in a dodgy mood. Unless the rep is showing on the avatar or at least on view it wont matter

and you think that -1 on someone's post would seriously affect how new members perceive him/her?

So it really is related to profile visiting.

meh, I think it's useless.

You could always take off 20 rep points (or even more, depending on the offense) for every warning a member gets. That would be far more efficient, and doesn't a negative environment to the forums.

Thats an idea worthy of merit. Keeps the karma system benign and useless as well as balancing out warnings vs karma.

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