OMG, I got a negative vote! What for?

[Vice]

I think it's a good idea for staff to have but I don't think MVC's should have it. I've seen them derail threads and make snide comments before I don't think they should all get the ability to down vote. Some MVC's like Rappy who deserve the MVC badge should be allowed while others (which I won't name) clearly do not deserve the badge or this negative vote ability.

[Raa]

Also worth referencing my thread I posted here https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/919016-rep-changes/

I can see goods-and-bads out of it. But Neobond did say it was a trial...

[PixilEyes]

Basically don't troll and you have nothing to worry about.

Perhaps it should be a policy to list why they were negatively reped. (In most cases this is obvious) Anonymously being a option?

[Sethos]

I think it's a good idea for staff to have but I don't think MVC's should have it. I've seen them derail threads and make snide comments before I don't think they should all get the ability to down vote. Some MVC's like Rappy who deserve the MVC badge should be allowed while others (which I won't name) clearly do not deserve the badge or this negative vote ability.

I agree with that.

[Mazhar]

What if members vote down a post just because they do not like it or they are jealous of the poster? This will happen specially in Real World Issues.

Edit: Oh I am sorry, I didn't read carefully that only Staff and MVC's can do it.

[Sethos]

What if members vote down a post just because they do not like it or they are jealous of the poster? This will happen specially in Real World Issues.

What if you learned how to read :)

[Darth Laidher]

I think it's a good idea for staff to have but I don't think MVC's should have it. I've seen them derail threads and make snide comments before I don't think they should all get the ability to down vote. Some MVC's like Rappy who deserve the MVC badge should be allowed while others (which I won't name) clearly do not deserve the badge or this negative vote ability.

This is true. I hope they change it to mods only.

[the evn show]

I understand perfectly how the system works.

• I post something at MVC "Alpha"'s thread on something's he's expert about
• "Alpha" doesn't like what I type
• "Alpha" doesn't like that I disagree with him, votes me down
• I recruit brentaal to upboat me
• ??????
• Profit!

It's one thing to be 'wrong' or to disagree with someone: I do that all the time and I don't think anybody would mod down for that. It's another thing to be deliberately deceptive, flame-baity, etc.
If I were going to down-vote it'd be for something like:

• User makes a thread in Linux forums "Hey Guys, how can I install photoshop?"
  
• I say 'photoshop isn't a linux application, give gimp a shot'
  
• Someone else says 'above poster is wrong, photoshop can be made to work with WINE'
  
• Some other guy shows up with 'Linux sucks, stop being a communist and just use windows' vote down
  
• Someone else says 'for simple stuff a virtual machine might be a good choice too'
  

Already spotted a flaw in our system.. when a staffer votes down it doesn't stop someone cancelling the vote by applying a positive vote, will make this a priority to block + votes when a - vote has been applied.

I sort of like that there's a self-correcting mechanism in place. Maybe make a down-vote count as -3 or -5 but still allow up votes so if say 2 staff say "-10" it could be cancelled if many people disagree with that decision. I believe the karma system was intended to reflect the community's opinion of the member. Warning reflects the moderators' opinion of the member (negative) and MVC/Staff positions reflect the opinion of MVC & staff members (positive).

[Elliott]

Should Subscribers be able to see the ability to downvote? Because I am.

Does it just not do anything for people that aren't in those categories?

[Steven P. Administrators]

Should Subscribers be able to see the ability to downvote? Because I am.

Does it just not do anything for people that aren't in those categories?

Yeah IPB is somewhat limited in that respect.

[-KJ]

Cool :yes:

[Osiris]

can you hide the negative button? I dont see the point of it being viewable if I cant use it.

I suspect positives will be used by people more now if its meant to be a measure of 'karma'. I cant help but think karma is a little futile unless you intend to use it for something, would the staff care to elabore on the future uses for this yardstick?

[Solid Knight]

What will happen to the trolls?

On a more serious note, does something special happen when you have negative reputation?

[Razorwing]

What will happen to the trolls?

On a more serious note, does something special happen when you have negative reputation?

I think it just decreases your rep.

[Piggy]

It feels like it adds a negative aspect to the posting environment here. Just seeing the negative sign alone does it. Can't you guys manually remove rep from naughty people after you discuss it in the secret forums?

[markwolfe Veteran]

• You complained in the thread that someone negatively voted you, in this instance I will join in the vote process too.

:rofl: That part amused me greatly!

Nice addition, and I hope that upper staff (Admins and maybe Supers) have a means to check for abuse of this feature to avoid perception/accusation that a staffer or MVC is abusing the feature. (Y)

[Razorwing]

It feels like it adds a negative aspect to the posting environment here. Just seeing the negative sign alone does it. Can't you guys manually remove rep from naughty people after you discuss it in the secret forums?

That would be too many people to deal with. Unless they report it.

[markwolfe Veteran]

I sort of like that there's a self-correcting mechanism in place. Maybe make a down-vote count as -3 or -5 but still allow up votes so if say 2 staff say "-10" it could be cancelled if many people disagree with that decision. I believe the karma system was intended to reflect the community's opinion of the member. Warning reflects the moderators' opinion of the member (negative) and MVC/Staff positions reflect the opinion of MVC & staff members (positive).

I like that idea. Maybe give weights to different negative votes. MVC can do a -1, Forum Mods -2, GMods -3, Supers -5, Admins -10, Coder/Dev -9999999 :ninja:

[Lee G. Veteran]

If there's some troll post that has five reputation points, and a moderator or MVC chooses to negative rep it, does the rep just go down to 4? It won't be effective if that's the case, and you do sometimes see trolling posts that have some positive rep.

[Shaun N.]

Edit: Oh I am sorry, I didn't read carefully that only Staff and MVC's can do it.

Lol - I did the same thing

[Hani]

meh, I think it's useless.

You could always take off 20 rep points (or even more, depending on the offense) for every warning a member gets. That would be far more efficient, and doesn't give a negative environment to the forums.

[Shaun N.]

meh, I think it's useless.

You could always take off 20 rep points (or even more, depending on the offense) for every warning a member gets. That would be far more efficient, and doesn't a negative environment to the forums.

but what would all this rep do anyway? Unless you visit their profile you wont know about their rep. I'm the sort of guy that would gain alot of rep then lose it all in one day as im in a dodgy mood. Unless the rep is showing on the avatar or at least on view it wont matter

[Hani]

but what would all this rep do anyway? Unless you visit their profile you wont know about their rep. I'm the sort of guy that would gain alot of rep then lose it all in one day as im in a dodgy mood. Unless the rep is showing on the avatar or at least on view it wont matter

and you think that -1 on someone's post would seriously affect how new members perceive him/her?

So it really is related to profile visiting.

[Osiris]

meh, I think it's useless.

You could always take off 20 rep points (or even more, depending on the offense) for every warning a member gets. That would be far more efficient, and doesn't a negative environment to the forums.

Thats an idea worthy of merit. Keeps the karma system benign and useless as well as balancing out warnings vs karma.

[Shaun N.]

Maybe if a users post gets a -1 the post gets hidden? something like a button @ the top saying "Show hidden posts" - That way new users wont even see the dodgy post