I confess: I bought an iPad (and so far I love it)

[UndergroundWire]

That's an over simplification. Applications need to be built with the bigger screen in mind. Otherwise you might as well just use the phone. It makes a huge difference in day to day use. I do not use one single iPhone sized app on the iPad. All the apps on my iPad were purpose built for it.

What is going to be interesting is how developers manage to cater for all the different screen sizes that are likely to come out for the Android tablets - from 5 inches (Dell is calling the Streak a tablet) all the way to 12 or more inches. That's not a trivial undertaking. Screen sizes may differ, but the finger stays the same size. Mouse, and stylus driven interfaces can get away with shrinking the buttons. Not touch interfaces.

Absolutely agree. And applications will be developed for it just like they did for the iPad. The only difference is, you have true multitasking on your wireless device. That for me will make it a true netbook replacement. Let's face it, Microsoft can't run the same OS for desktops on netbooks. It's absolutely horrible for them to even do that. It's not a smooth experience at all.

And NIN application is absolutely awful..

What makes it "Absolutely" awful?

[evo_spook]

1) An iPad is an oversized iPhone. Just like the Android Tablet will be an oversized Android Phone.

2) I never said Log me In wasn't available on the iPhone / iPad.

Knowing number 1, which is a big 1 for me, I prefer multi-tasking over what Apple passes off. And from what I understand, the iPad doesn't have iOS 4 on it which means no multi-tasking. Let's face it, the Android Tablet will not be different than an Android Phone other than no phone capabilities and a bigger screen. Plus you'll have more options by January/February 2011. Sorry if Android Phones are out performing the iPhone. It must hurt Apple fanboys like yourself. It puts a smile on my face.

Sorry everyone. I have low a tolerance for stupidity.

You must hate yourself then, if you can read I never said one was better then the other, unlike you have so please stop being a fanboy.

All the basic apps that exist for the iPhone exist for the Android. What iPhone has more of is games. It would be nice if Android got some game love but honestly, I don't play video games so I doesn't affect me. The only app for me that the iPhone has that I want for my Android is the NIN app. Other than that, there is no difference.

You call people idiots but you havnt got a clue what you are talking about, compare the stores the iphone has a lot more and it isn't just games, we have quality professional apps like WHM, Pingdom, BBC, WHMCS, you talking out of your arse when you say they are the same, Android apps have a long way to go.

[UndergroundWire]

You call people idiots but you havnt got a clue what you are talking about, compare the stores the iphone has a lot more and it isn't just games, we have quality professional apps like WHM, Pingdom, BBC, WHMCS, you talking out of your arse when you say they are the same, Android apps have a long way to go.

Sorry I hurt your feelings. But I did say BASIC apps. Maybe the iPhone needs a "Hooked on Phonics" app? Relax buddy, in the end, it's just a phone. Don't get to worked up, you'll live longer.

[treemonster]

Absolutely agree. And applications will be developed for it just like they did for the iPad. The only difference is, you have true multitasking on your wireless device. That for me will make it a true netbook replacement. Let's face it, Microsoft can't run the same OS for desktops on netbooks. It's absolutely horrible for them to even do that. It's not a smooth experience at all.

windows 7 starter is just fine on my netbook. it's snappier than some laptops i've used and it suits the needs and wants i bought it for perfectly.

that being said i have no interest in tablet devices at all.

[UndergroundWire]

windows 7 starter is just fine on my netbook. it's snappier than some laptops i've used and it suits the needs and wants i bought it for perfectly.

that being said i have no interest in tablet devices at all.

Windows 7 Starter is horrible. You can't have too many apps running at once because of the limit Microsoft put in. Microsoft really needs to be innovative and write an OS specifically for mobile devices. That is where Apple got it right.

PS Your signature makes me laugh. I have something similar for my email signature from my phone.

[ahhell]

Windows 7 Starter is horrible. You can't have too many apps running at once because of the limit Microsoft put in. Microsoft really needs to be innovative and right an OS specifically for mobile devices. That is where Apple got it right.

Holy missing the point, Batman.

[UndergroundWire]

Holy missing the point, Batman.

I got the point Robin. It suits his needs. My opinion is it is horrible because it doesn't suit my needs.

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Jesus Christ, does everything have to be spelled out on this forum so people can understand?

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[Boz]

You call people idiots but you havnt got a clue what you are talking about, compare the stores the iphone has a lot more and it isn't just games, we have quality professional apps like WHM, Pingdom, BBC, WHMCS, you talking out of your arse when you say they are the same, Android apps have a long way to go.

I think you are dismissing one very important fact.. most of the "apps" you have on the iphone need to be apps because their websites are not supported on iPhone's Safari..

Why do I need for example a BBC player or whatever application when I can go to the Flash site with my Android phone and just enjoy the full experience there.

I mean, i think you are forgetting the fact that some apps on iPhone are there because of Apple's refusal to accept Flash and other technologies from getting on iPhone due to their own interests. The fact alone I can play games and run websites with Flash on my Nexus One makes all those apps on App Store obsolete to me despite the fact that some sites and games online are still not "optimized" in Flash for that.. but that will come too as Flash now supports proper optimizations and touch APIs and all that good stuff right in the player.

Just some food for thought.

[evo_spook]

I think you are dismissing one very important fact.. most of the "apps" you have on the iphone need to be apps because their websites are not supported on iPhone's Safari..

Why do I need for example a BBC player or whatever application when I can go to the Flash site with my Android phone and just enjoy the full experience there.

I mean, i think you are forgetting the fact that some apps on iPhone are there because of Apple's refusal to accept Flash and other technologies from getting on iPhone due to their own interests. The fact alone I can play games and run websites with Flash on my Nexus One makes all those apps on App Store obsolete to me despite the fact that some sites and games online are still not "optimized" in Flash for that.. but that will come too as Flash now supports proper optimizations and touch APIs and all that good stuff right in the player.

Just some food for thought.

Unfortunatly the BBC iPlayer isn't a iPhone app, it works in safari. As to the reset, none of those apps I mentioned use Flash on the website, sorry Boz, big fail.

[treemonster]

Windows 7 Starter is horrible. You can't have too many apps running at once because of the limit Microsoft put in. Microsoft really needs to be innovative and write an OS specifically for mobile devices. That is where Apple got it right.

PS Your signature makes me laugh. I have something similar for my email signature from my phone.

that limit does not exist in win 7 starter.

basically the difference between starter and home basic is you can't change the wallpaper. big deal especially since your browser fills the whole screen.

[Rudy]

Is that why it dominates the market and is accepted by the majority?

No, it dominates the market because it was the first and ended up being bundled with OSX and Windows (and Linux too). It's not because it dominates the market that it's the best :rolleyes:

[Boz]

Unfortunatly the BBC iPlayer isn't a iPhone app, it works in safari. As to the reset, none of those apps I mentioned use Flash on the website, sorry Boz, big fail.

I'm not talking about apps you mentioned but in general.. you need to have things like Hulu app to watch Hulu and similar apps and games in general that you can run in browser with FLash on iPhone and you count those as apps (btw you can run Hulu on Android if you go through proxy that hides mobile signature).. I don't count those as apps because I can access them through browser on my Android phone so there is really no need for the owners of those sites to even have those apps on Android plus in some cases you will be getting less content through your iPhone app or you will have to pay for it (not all but it happens because of the invested resources in building a separate application for the same content for the iphone). Android with Flash on the web gets the full experience as it was meant to be and most of the time it's free..

And that's exactly one of the reasons why Apple banned Flash from their platform.

[saxondale.]

Love my iPad :)

[Jase]

I am still very skeptical on buying an iPad, I think once they add multitasking that would be the thing to have me sold. I really need opinions of people other than it's a toy. Why do you love your iPad? what makes it loveable? How is it say you're sitting in bed browsing sites and you receive an IM/ tweet/ IRC? is switching as simple as a computer? I am but moment from clicking the buy button on the apple website.. So help me out here.

[Guest]

I am still very skeptical on buying an iPad, I think once they add multitasking that would be the thing to have me sold. I really need opinions of people other than it's a toy. Why do you love your iPad? what makes it loveable? How is it say you're sitting in bed browsing sites and you receive an IM/ tweet/ IRC? is switching as simple as a computer? I am but moment from clicking the buy button on the apple website.. So help me out here.

Video is probably the killer app for me at the moment. Streaming movies or shows from my Mac to the iPad whilst in bed is pretty convenient. Yes, I know I can do that with a netbook or a MacBook, but there's just something charming and handy about the iPad. It's always there and it's always on (seriously, the battery life is unreal).

[Jase]

Video is probably the killer app for me at the moment. Streaming movies or shows from my Mac to the iPad whilst in bed is pretty convenient. Yes, I know I can do that with a netbook or a MacBook, but there's just something charming and handy about the iPad. It's always there and it's always on (seriously, the battery life is unreal).

What about streaming music from the mac/ Pc to the iPad? how would you do that? also if you pause a movie went back to the home screen sent a few messages/ browsed the web then went back to the movie streaming app, would it play where you left off?

[UndergroundWire]

that limit does not exist in win 7 starter.

basically the difference between starter and home basic is you can't change the wallpaper. big deal especially since your browser fills the whole screen.

You're absolutely right. I forgot Microsoft later changed that policy. But still it is not the best OS for a netbook. It should be something like where Chrome OS is going (where everything is run from the cloud).

[Guest]

What about streaming music from the mac/ Pc to the iPad? how would you do that? also if you pause a movie went back to the home screen sent a few messages/ browsed the web then went back to the movie streaming app, would it play where you left off?

Never tried streaming any music as I already have an alternative solution. If you can find a way of doing it, I'm willing to try it out for you.

I'm using AirVideo for iPhone and iPad, which will transcode pretty much any video format on the fly (including 1080p .mkv files, if your network can handle it). Whenever I want to check my mail or Twitter, the transcoding stops but AirVideo seems to remember my position (don't ask me how, I'd have assumed this is something that would have required 4.0 multitasking). Once I'm good to go, I simply hit play and the transcoding then picks up where it left off. Pretty seamless if you ask me.

Personally, I'd wait it out for the inevitable 2nd generation iPad in 2011. FaceTime, Retina display and more memory will really make the iPad a killer device. The 4.0 update due sometime before the end of the year will hopefully add some much needed improvements.

[TheElite]

No, it dominates the market because it was the first and ended up being bundled with OSX and Windows (and Linux too). It's not because it dominates the market that it's the best :rolleyes:

Rubbish. The Nintendo Wii came out a year after the 360 but still dominates it (and the PS3).

Things dominate because people use them. People use them because they think the product is better than it's alternatives (if alternatives exist at all).

[Dessimat0r]

Love my iPad also :cool: Taking it with me to Dubrovnik tomorrow.

[vhane]

I think you are dismissing one very important fact.. most of the "apps" you have on the iphone need to be apps because their websites are not supported on iPhone's Safari..

Why do I need for example a BBC player or whatever application when I can go to the Flash site with my Android phone and just enjoy the full experience there.

I mean, i think you are forgetting the fact that some apps on iPhone are there because of Apple's refusal to accept Flash and other technologies from getting on iPhone due to their own interests. The fact alone I can play games and run websites with Flash on my Nexus One makes all those apps on App Store obsolete to me despite the fact that some sites and games online are still not "optimized" in Flash for that.. but that will come too as Flash now supports proper optimizations and touch APIs and all that good stuff right in the player.

Just some food for thought.

As a developer, I violently disagree with Apple's stance on what's allowed on the devices, and how they go about it. I need to pay $99/year just to be able to run software that I wrote, on a device that I own? Really? On that point I agree with you 100%.

However, I don't agree that most of the iPhone apps are there because of the lack of Flash. The apps are there because people prefer to use a native app than going to a website. A phone isn't like a traditional computer. People may use an app for a few seconds, then move on to something else. I could fire up the browser on my phone, look up a bookmark, wait for the page to load, navigate to the section I want, and do whatever I wanted to do. Or I could fire up an app and get straight to the point, using a UI that's been designed to work well on the phone. That's the reason why so many apps exist. If BBC has a native app, and ABC doesn't, I use the BBC. ABC figure this out, and they make an app too. These sites realise that in order to be competitive they need to build native applications for the platform. I win.

As a user, I take a native application over a Flash application any day. Same goes for an Adobe Air app. Native is better integrated. Chances are the UI won't suck and that the platform conventions are respected. That the Cancel and OK buttons will be in the right places. I care about this on my computer. I care about this even more on my phone, where I am less inclined to put up with clunky UI. I want optimised. I don't want one size fits all.

As a developer, I subscribe to the "best tool for the job" mentality. Flash is hardly the best tool for building mobile apps on iOS or Android. Developers should also open their eyes, put down the hammer, and stop looking at everything like they are nails. Objectively, for the platform's users, native is best. Users have voted, and content providers are taking notice.

[Elliott]

I think you are dismissing one very important fact.. most of the "apps" you have on the iphone need to be apps because their websites are not supported on iPhone's Safari..

Why do I need for example a BBC player or whatever application when I can go to the Flash site with my Android phone and just enjoy the full experience there.

I mean, i think you are forgetting the fact that some apps on iPhone are there because of Apple's refusal to accept Flash and other technologies from getting on iPhone due to their own interests. The fact alone I can play games and run websites with Flash on my Nexus One makes all those apps on App Store obsolete to me despite the fact that some sites and games online are still not "optimized" in Flash for that.. but that will come too as Flash now supports proper optimizations and touch APIs and all that good stuff right in the player.

Just some food for thought.

After watching the Droid 2 + Flash video on Adobe's website, I can safely say that I prefer that developers are making native applications. It's possible that those Flash apps haven't been "optimized" yet, but they were quite slow and unresponsive in the video (especially when the video players had to bring up controls or overlays). That's not something that a native app is immune too, but it's certainly not the norm.

As a user, I take a native application over a Flash application any day. Same goes for an Adobe Air app. Native is better integrated. Chances are the UI won't suck and that the platform conventions are respected. That the Cancel and OK buttons will be in the right places. I care about this on my computer. I care about this even more on my phone, where I am less inclined to put up with clunky UI. I want optimised. I don't want one size fits all.

As a developer, I subscribe to the "best tool for the job" mentality. Flash is hardly the best tool for building mobile apps on iOS or Android. Developers should also open their eyes, put down the hammer, and stop looking at everything like they are nails. Objectively, for the platform's users, native is best. Users have voted, and content providers are taking notice.

This.

Developing isn't easy. I know. But the "one size fits all" usually doesn't work for apps. For games, sure, but for apps, users like a native UI and a consistent UX. Chances are if you're developing for one UX, you're breaking another and vice-versa.

[Twitter]

I think you are dismissing one very important fact.. most of the "apps" you have on the iphone need to be apps because their websites are not supported on iPhone's Safari..

Most apps are apps because you can sell them in the App Store. You can't sell a flash website anyone can visit using Safari.

[Jase]

I love how everyone is still saying they Love their iPads yet not giving us a reason what I'd really like to know what you love about the device & how much use of it does it get?

I really would love to know how you sit and use the device; Do you sit legs crossed, on a bed? on a couch? in the bath?.. I have looked at the iPad ads and to be quite honest it looks like they have the device in their laps and are looking at it by bending forward.. Now wouldn't that be really really bad for the neck? So again I ask How do you sit using your iPad? and what do you find most comfy?

[amon91]

From what I've heard it's a little on the heavy side. You can always get a stand or have it on your lap I guess.