PS3 finally hacked?

[Eric Veteran]

No discussion of uploading or downloading copyrighted material. Period.

[0nyX]

i dont have any knowledge on the following but it is very interesting if that actually could happen:

Can we emulate the dongle using PSP?

In my opinion, i said yes but we need to sniff and log the informations exchange between the dongle and ps3.

And if it exchange bytes informations said ps3 to boot on debugmode we could simply send this bytes.

However if it exchange certificate we need a complete reverse engineering of device.

Source: http://lan.st/showthread.php?t=3192&page=2

That would mean that people with hacked psp's wouldn't have to buy the PSjailbreak and simply use their psp to do the job

[Rudy]

The PS3 would be patched by then. Might want to hold onto one now before all the newer consoles are updated.

I'm looking at the current development, I doubt Sony can liquidate the current PS3s that quick ;)

[DrunknMunky Veteran]

I just thought of something else, maybe I think too much PSP here but:

"Assuming we get all high access privileges, couldn't we simply store a modified firmware on the PS3s HDD with all online functions stripped out? We then could boot this FW for all our homebrew needs and if we want to play online we simply boot back to the original NAND firmware? Unless they scan the actual HDDs I doubt Sony could detect this."

Just a theory out of my mind inspired by the old PSP DevHook days^^

I'm pretty certain that's not possible and I don't recall it being possible for the PSP either. Firmware is flashed to onboard memory. Installing a second NAND which you could flash a CFW would be more likely.

[Livin in a box]

Here come the clones:

www.x3jailbreak.com

The game ID is detected by Sony meaning a ban from PSN is going your way. People have already been console banned from PSN so I suspect they will do the same again once people start using this online.

[DrunknMunky Veteran]

^ helps to read the topic before posting.

[torrentthief]

imagine xbox media centre on a PS3, would be a dream come true, i wonder if this might be achieved sometime soon with the release of this device or knowledge gained from it.

[SkyDX]

I'm pretty certain that's not possible and I don't recall it being possible for the PSP either. Firmware is flashed to onboard memory. Installing a second NAND which you could flash a CFW would be more likely.

Read up on DevHook for PSP: http://wiki.psp3d.com/index.php5?title=Devhook&redirect=no

^^

It doesn't matter where a firmware is stored at all, aslong as you can tell the device to boot from wherever that place is.

Yeah the article doesn't explicit mention that the emulated Firmware is placed on the memory stick but I can assure you it is as I used it to test my GUI mods without the risk of bricking.

[DPyro]

The newer PS3s store part of the firmware on the hard drive.

Also, just found this http://www.ps3key.com/

[DrunknMunky Veteran]

Read up on DevHook for PSP: http://wiki.psp3d.com/index.php5?title=Devhook&redirect=no

^^

It doesn't matter where a firmware is stored at all, aslong as you can tell the device to boot from wherever that place is.

Yeah the article doesn't explicit mention that the emulated Firmware is placed on the memory stick but I can assure you it is as I used it to test my GUI mods without the risk of bricking.

I remember being able to switch the firmwares around on my PSP and run roms faster, but I don't remember them being on the MSDuo. My mistake if they were.

Saying that though the architecture of the PSP and PS3 are worlds apart. So I still think it's unlikely. Would be awesome if it was possible.

[Livin in a box]

The newer PS3s store part of the firmware on the hard drive.

Also, just found this http://www.ps3key.com/

PSX-Scene is calling that these are fakes, suppose we won't know until they're released. Though if that's from the guys that made the WiiKey which is unlikely (but the logo does look familiar) then it could be legit. Heck, they might not have even made anything, it could just be a placeholder website.

Though apparently it's all over China.

EDIT: Fakes: http://sony.nyleveia.com/2010/08/23/considering-x3jailbreak-dont/

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lawl

http://www.f-secure.com/weblog/archives/00002014.html

[jelli]

lawl

http://www.f-secure.com/weblog/archives/00002014.html

Loving the part in the description which describes the person who made this as a clown.

[Emn1ty]

Not to be biased or anything, but what does Sony have to say now about Other OS? I mean, it seems that Other OS wasn't even needed to achieve what they feared it would allow. Either way, Sony will be having a hell of a time solving this problem without some really hacky or drastic measures (unless a solution has already been found and my lack of wanting to read 20 pages of convo has left me ignorant).

[SkyDX]

I just realized something very funny. If all this is truly based on Geohots exploit, Sony brought it up to themselves. If I remember correct, Geohots high motivation at the beginning found its source in the removal of OtherOS :rofl: :whistle:

[Piggy]

lawl

http://www.f-secure.com/weblog/archives/00002014.html

Now this is funny. :rofl:

[Livin in a box]

Not to be biased or anything, but what does Sony have to say now about Other OS? I mean, it seems that Other OS wasn't even needed to achieve what they feared it would allow. Either way, Sony will be having a hell of a time solving this problem without some really hacky or drastic measures (unless a solution has already been found and my lack of wanting to read 20 pages of convo has left me ignorant).

Well someone might have found something by using OtherOS, I'm not sure. But I saw an article the other day which headline said about without GeoHot, there would be no PSjb. You'll have to forgive my ignorance though as I didn't read the full article.

[Bhav]

I'm pretty sure this isn't based on Geohot's exploit/hack - his required hardware modification I think

[DrunknMunky Veteran]

Not to be biased or anything, but what does Sony have to say now about Other OS? I mean, it seems that Other OS wasn't even needed to achieve what they feared it would allow. Either way, Sony will be having a hell of a time solving this problem without some really hacky or drastic measures (unless a solution has already been found and my lack of wanting to read 20 pages of convo has left me ignorant).

That's what I said back back when Geohot found his exploit. Sony would not just remove a feature without any real threat. Unless they are in the habit of believing everything they hear about Geohot & removed it without investigating his claims. That doesn't seem very likely though and I'd be willing to bet Sony always knew there was a way to exploit it.

Either way it doesn't really matter now and I doubt we'll see Sony enable OtherOS again.

[Emn1ty]

Either way it doesn't really matter now and I doubt we'll see Sony enable OtherOS again.

I'm not expecting them to. I'm just curious as to whether Sony will take drastic measures to getting rid of this situation or not (drastic being removal of features) or if they'll just attempt to ban anyone using it.

[DrunknMunky Veteran]

Well disabling USB at boot was the option I talked over with someone earlier in this topic, but apparently PlayTV needs to use that feature when you schedule shows to record.

So I'm not sure they can out-right remove that. Obviously disabling USB isn't an option.

I think banning will be their only defense, which only works if you sign into PSN anyway.

[Livin in a box]

I'm not expecting them to. I'm just curious as to whether Sony will take drastic measures to getting rid of this situation or not (drastic being removal of features) or if they'll just attempt to ban anyone using it.

Easy for Sony to ban people from PSN by using this. That's the main trouble, it won't be like the 360 where it's easy to have 2 consoles- one for legit games and one for copies as PS3's are pretty expensive.

Game installation times revealed

[DrunknMunky Veteran]

It's only detectable afaik by loading a game while using the boot manager. Otherwise the console isn't modified at all and Sony won't know any better. As long as there is no trace you are fine.

That is the difference between a software and hardware hack youngin' ;)

[Livin in a box]

I know 360's leave logs on the NAND when the DVD drive has been unplugged from the mobo and powered on and people think that's a way Microsoft ban consoles from LIVE, so maybe there's some form of internal game logging with the PS3 somewhere, I'm sure I read it stores things on the NAND too.

"Elotrolado is reporting from it's tests that game updates don't work at all on backed up games. If they're already on the system, the game won't boot.

Any games that were buggy before the first patch are going to be a bitch now. Hopefully that can be worked around in the future. "

[Noveed]

I know 360's leave logs on the NAND when the DVD drive has been unplugged from the mobo and powered on and people think that's a way Microsoft ban consoles from LIVE, so maybe there's some form of internal game logging with the PS3 somewhere, I'm sure I read it stores things on the NAND too.

"Elotrolado is reporting from it's tests that game updates don't work at all on backed up games. If they're already on the system, the game won't boot.

Any games that were buggy before the first patch are going to be a bitch now. Hopefully that can be worked around in the future. "

apparently the PS3 Service Manuals have leaked now too....

http://www.maxconsole.net/content.php?41918-SCE-service-manuals-for-PS3-leaked-publicly-disaster-for-Sony

Poor sony whats next around the corner