Microsoft's Anti-Android FUD Campaign in Full Swing


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Would you care to explain to us why Android is on the vast majority of the good smartphones atm?

That's because Microsoft did not make a genuine effort in the last few years to improve Windows Mobile 6.x, and obviously they can't sell iOS. But it's all going to change once Windows Phone 7 - the greatest smartphone OS ever - is released.

Oracle is suing Google. At least they have the guts to try and prove their patents are real. MS doesn't want their patents tested in court, nor do they want another multi-OEM phone OS competing against them, hence, attacking the OEM's, not google.

So are you done shilling for microsoft?

Yes, it's a website. We all know your only source of information is microsoft dot com. Next...

oh no, I get paid per post, so I can't stop.

/s

MS isn't going after google, because google isn't using the OS, and because as I said, google is pushing the responsibility down to the OEM's and not protecting them.

and what are you talking about MS tax ? andoird oem's need to pay patent licenses to Nokia, Ericsson, and probably motorola. Are you stupid enough to actually think a whole phone OS doesn't infringe on any of the massive amounts of Phone and OS, and UX patents owned by MS, Apple, Nokia, Ericsson, Motorola.... come on, get back to earth here.

Android is not free. every android OEM is paying patent licenses to a whole stack of companies (as opposed to Google creating a pool so they can just pay google, and google taking responsibility and acting as a shield (again, this is why MS isn't suing google) of course some OEMs like Ericsson get off cheaper due to being part of a patent pool with other phone partners like Nokia where they cross license.

Motorola are the only ones not paying. For now, and thta's just MS anyway, they'll still be paying Apple, Nokia, Ericsson++

Now please start a company, make a phone and release it with android, for free. then await the mountain of patent letters you'll be getting.

what makes you think Android is free. because google says so in their PR material, it's bull ****. even nokia pays patents on their own OS, Samsung pays patent for their ****ty linux OS. Apple tried not paying all their patent dues with iOS. and they had a much better case than android ever did. Didn't get them very far, only getting Nokia a bunch of free extra cash, and several rich(er) lawyers.

That's because Microsoft did not make a genuine effort in the last few years to improve Windows Mobile 6.x, and obviously they can't sell iOS. But it's all going to change once Windows Phone 7 - the greatest smartphone OS ever - is released.

Wait, can you tell me the lottery numbers this week while you have your crystal ball out? I can't wait for wp7 to fail just like the kin, then we'll all have a mock funeral on youtube for it. Haha.

Oracle is suing Google. At least they have the guts to try and prove their patents are real. MS doesn't want their patents tested in court, nor do they want another multi-OEM phone OS competing against them, hence, attacking the OEM's, not google.

Maybe you should learn the difference between the lawsuits.

MS is suing the patent breakers. Oracle is suing the company illegally using code and breaking Java licenses. There are other differences the size of Grand canyon to, but I don't expect you to see them.

Yeah, when I first got the Droid I was ecstatic. Then I could listen to voicemails from Cisco/Exchange. Then I couldn't install and app not on the market without rooting. Then I couldn't sync with Windows Media Player.

Who the hell uses WMP, it's the biggest POS since the zune.

MS isn't going after google, because google isn't using the OS

Wrong! What's behind door number 2 johnny? A wonderful bucket of fail. Oracle is going after google, so this has nothing to do with who's using the OS. Microsoft are going after the OEM's because it wants to convince them to deploy wp7 instead of android, the same kind of anti-competitive behaviour they used to stop competitors on the desktop. If they truly want to defend their IP, then they would sue google just like oracle.

and because as I said, google is pushing the responsibility down to the OEM's and not protecting them.

Don't try and change who is the bad guy here. Microsoft are the ones bullying OEM's with threats of lawsuits, not google.

and what are you talking about MS tax?

MS Tax:

Entry - Noun phrase.

(1) A sum of money extorted by Microsoft by anti-competitive means.

(2) A forced levy on a good, or goods of Microsoft competitors by means of vague patent lawsuit threats.

I really don't know how you can defend a company like microsoft. To me, they are the scum of the earth, and deserve to have all their products boycotted.

Wait, can you tell me the lottery numbers this week while you have your crystal ball out? I can't wait for wp7 to fail just like the kin, then we'll all have a mock funeral on youtube for it. Haha.

Linux = Less than 1% market share after 15 years of FUD = Fail.

Google Buzz = Fail.

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trolling

Linux = Less than 1% market share after 15 years of FUD = Fail.

Google Buzz = Fail.

(snipped)

Wow you're a disgruntled guy, be fair Linux does have over 1% market share. What's Buzz got to do with anything? Android is like it or not the new Windows except its for smartphones.

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It's been said to death already, so read it this time, GOOGLE ALREADY LICENSES MS IP FOR IT'S APPS!!!!!!! That's why they don't get sued. Did you get it now?

Did you actually read the patent claims? Clearly not. One of them is the infamous long/short file name representation, covered under the FAT patent, you know, the same one they used to sue TomTom. Google does not (are you reading?) license that patent. You are talking about ActiveSync. Did you get it now?

Who the hell uses WMP, it's the biggest POS since the zune.

Wrong! What's behind door number 2 johnny? A wonderful bucket of fail. Oracle is going after google, so this has nothing to do with who's using the OS. Microsoft are going after the OEM's because it wants to convince them to deploy wp7 instead of android, the same kind of anti-competitive behaviour they used to stop competitors on the desktop. If they truly want to defend their IP, then they would sue google just like oracle.

Don't try and change who is the bad guy here. Microsoft are the ones bullying OEM's with threats of lawsuits, not google.

MS Tax:

Entry - Noun phrase.

(1) A sum of money extorted by Microsoft by anti-competitive means.

(2) A forced levy on a good, or goods of Microsoft competitors by means of vague patent lawsuit threats.

I really don't know how you can defend a company like microsoft. To me, they are the scum of the earth, and deserve to have all their products boycotted.

I like how I disproved and explained all those points in my posts, and you cut those parts away and ignored them because they ruined yoru illusion of Androdi beign the perfect OS, and the only OS in the world that doesn't infringe on any patents.

stop failing read the post again, and reply intelligently or don't reply at all. selectively cutting out parts you can disagree with without including the parts that shows why you can't disagree with them only makes you seem slow.

and way to completely miss the point of the MS tax. now explain the Nokia tax, the Ericsson tax, the Apple Tax, the HP tax, the Motorola Tax, the oracle tax, the Xerox tax.... and son as well. did I mentiont he google tax. oh that's right. google has a patent pool they use to extort other companies too.

Did you actually read the patent claims? Clearly not. One of them is the infamous long/short file name representation, covered under the FAT patent, you know, the same one they used to sue TomTom. Google does not (are you reading?) license that patent. You are talking about ActiveSync. Did you get it now?

So you agree then ? google and all android oem's are breaking that patent by not licensing it.

make up your mind already.

Wow you're a disgruntled guy, be fair Linux does have over 1% market share. What's Buzz got to do with anything? Android is like it or not the new Windows except its for smartphones.

yeah....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS_Marketshare

it's got a medial value of a whopping 1.08%. but if you go by just the major stat counters, and don't include the small ones in the media, it's under 1%.

Did you actually read the patent claims? Clearly not. One of them is the infamous long/short file name representation, covered under the FAT patent, you know, the same one they used to sue TomTom. Google does not (are you reading?) license that patent. You are talking about ActiveSync. Did you get it now?

At least you agree that Microsoft are right to defend their patents.

I tell you what, Lechio must love you :laugh:

Linux = Less than 1% market share after 15 years of FUD = Fail.

Google Buzz = Fail.

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Poor confused MS-Zealot. Lets review the successes of microsoft shall we?

(1) Zune. Verdict Fail.

(2) Kin. Verdict Epic Fail.

(3) Xbox. Verdict Beaten into the ground by the Wii and still playing catchup with (Kin)ect, their imitation of the Wii motion controller.

(4) Win Mobile 6x. Verdict Market share has dropped into the abyss.

(5) Internet Explorer. Verdict Lost 40% of market share despite being deployed with every windows PC, because lets face it, it sucks.

(6) Vista/7. Verdict XP, a ten year old OS, is still beating these without breaking a sweat,

(7) Bing/Live Search. Verdict Languishing in obscurity. Prediction Will inevitably lose market share to Google.

(8) Windows Phone 7. Verdict Windows 3.1 on a phone, but hey it's good for nostalgic reasons. Prediction Kin version 2.

Need I go on...

Edited by rm20010

Poor confused MS-Zealot. Lets review the successes of microsoft shall we?

(1) Zune. Verdict Fail.

(2) Kin. Verdict Epic Fail.

(3) Xbox. Verdict Beaten into the ground by the Wii and still playing catchup with (Kin)ect, their imitation of the Wii motion controller.

(4) Win Mobile 6x. Verdict Market share has dropped into the abyss.

(5) Internet Explorer. Verdict Lost 40% of market share despite being deployed with every windows PC, because lets face it, it sucks.

(6) Vista/7. Verdict XP, a ten year old OS, is still beating these with breaking a sweat,

(7) Bing/Live Search. Verdict Languishing in obscurity. Prediction Will inevitably lose market share to Google.

(8) Windows Phone 7. Verdict Windows 3.1 on a phone, but hey it's good for nostalgic reasons. Prediction Kin version 2.

Need I go on...

O.o

You do know that more people actively play their Xboxes than their Wiis, right? The "Wii collecting dust" story is so common at this point, if you aren't aware of it, *you're* the fanboy.

As for (8), you make yourself sound like a toddler. Windows 3.1 was the Windows that positioned Microsoft as the dominant OS player. If you're really going to use that as the parallel, it actually works pretty well:

Before Windows 3.x = Windows 1.x-2.x

Before Windows Phone 7 = Windows Mobile 6.x

Windows 3.x positioned Microsoft as THE major player in the desktop OS market after several versions of being barely competitive in a market everyone thought would belong to Apple.

If Windows Mobile 6.x = several versions of being barely competitive in a market everyone thinks belongs to Apple, you've basically just laid out a prediction that WP7 will establish MS as the mobile OS leader.

But I apologize for putting so much thought into it. You clearly didn't.

Poor confused MS-Zealot. Lets review the successes of microsoft shall we?

(1) Zune. Verdict Fail.

(2) Kin. Verdict Epic Fail.

(3) Xbox. Verdict Beaten into the ground by the Wii and still playing catchup with (Kin)ect, their imitation of the Wii motion controller.

(4) Win Mobile 6x. Verdict Market share has dropped into the abyss.

(5) Internet Explorer. Verdict Lost 40% of market share despite being deployed with every windows PC, because lets face it, it sucks.

(6) Vista/7. Verdict XP, a ten year old OS, is still beating these with breaking a sweat,

(7) Bing/Live Search. Verdict Languishing in obscurity. Prediction Will inevitably lose market share to Google.

(8) Windows Phone 7. Verdict Windows 3.1 on a phone, but hey it's good for nostalgic reasons. Prediction Kin version 2.

Need I go on...

How did Zune Fail.? it's anexcellent thoguh ufnrotunately not worldwide, store and service. it's a great PMP. that's grabbed huge chunks of a saturated market.

Kin, did fail. Thoguh not much to do with MS, peopel just wherent' interested int he sidekick anymore. they never should have bought them in the first place, that was the fail.

Xbox?.... err. get back to the real world again. It's taken the number two spot, and number one spot as the hardcore game console. it beats the crap out of the wii as far as attach rate go. which is a far more important number. you make a lot more money from sellign games, than systems. and the Wii doesn't sell games, it sells systems.

WM6.x... oh really, the marketshare of a dyign abandoned platform is droppig... CHOCKING!!!!

IE. is gaingin markeshare and popularity again.

Win7, beating the craop out of XP's sales numbers, XP is around 48% marketshare, and droppign 1.2% every, EVERY, damn month. XP took 9 years to get where it is. 7 has in time for time period outsold XP masively.

Bing search is now the second most popular search engine, which is no small feat compared to google. and it'd doing most things a lot better than google. which is why it's takign peopel from google. it's not languishing, it's slowly taking marketshare.

and you obviously don't even know what WP7 is.

go go be a anti MS fanboy troll somewhere else, I bet you usually write MS with a $ too. :rolleyes:

Poor confused MS-Zealot. Lets review the successes of microsoft shall we?

(1) Zune. Verdict Fail.

(2) Kin. Verdict Epic Fail.

(3) Xbox. Verdict Beaten into the ground by the Wii and still playing catchup with (Kin)ect, their imitation of the Wii motion controller.

(4) Win Mobile 6x. Verdict Market share has dropped into the abyss.

(5) Internet Explorer. Verdict Lost 40% of market share despite being deployed with every windows PC, because lets face it, it sucks.

(6) Vista/7. Verdict XP, a ten year old OS, is still beating these with breaking a sweat,

(7) Bing/Live Search. Verdict Languishing in obscurity. Prediction Will inevitably lose market share to Google.

(8) Windows Phone 7. Verdict Windows 3.1 on a phone, but hey it's good for nostalgic reasons. Prediction Kin version 2.

Need I go on...

1. Zune - by far the most polished and feature-rich mp3 player in the world.

2. Kin - it was never meant to take the world by storm. So, it's success or failure is irrelevant.

3. Xbox 360 - the most popular gaming console by far, and Kinect will blow away Wii forever.

4. Windows Mobile 6x - has huge market in the business (snipped).

5. Internet Explorer - the most secure browser on Windows 7/Vista. With the release of IE9, it will also be the fastest and the most beautiful browser.

6. Windows 7 - THE GREATEST OPERATING SYSTEM IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND. IT'S THE FASTEST SELLING OS IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNIVERSE. IN LESS THAN 1 YEAR, IT HAS A 20% MARKET SHARE - MORE THAN 20 TIMES THAT OF THE (snipped) HAS AFTER 15 YEARS.

7. Bing - Continuously innovating, and gaining market share ever since its launch in 2009. Google has been stealing Bing's innovations blatantly over the last 12 months. Bing will destroy Google search within the next 5 years.

8. Windows Phone 7 - the most polished and elegant smart phone OS of all time. 1 billion times better than the pathetic Android.

Bottom line - Microsoft FTW. (snipped)

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trolling

Problem I have with Microsoft is that if they eliminate their competition they begin to charge for every service they can or make it so restricted you have no real choice but to upgrade to a more costly package. I like MS hardware and I like a lot of the stuff they are doing right now but I don't think anyone should putt all their eggs in Microsoft's basket, once they get bored they will move onto something else and forget you.

1. Zune - by far the most polished and feature-rich mp3 player in the world.

2. Kin - it was never meant to take the world by storm. So, it's success or failure is irrelevant.

3. Xbox 360 - the most popular gaming console by far, and Kinect will blow away Wii forever.

4. Windows Mobile 6x - has huge market in the business (snipped).

5. Internet Explorer - the most secure browser on Windows 7/Vista. With the release of IE9, it will also be the fastest and the most beautiful browser.

6. Windows 7 - THE GREATEST OPERATING SYSTEM IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND. IT'S THE FASTEST SELLING OS IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNIVERSE. IN LESS THAN 1 YEAR, IT HAS A 20% MARKET SHARE - MORE THAN 20 TIMES THAT OF THE (snipped) HAS AFTER 15 YEARS.

7. Bing - Continuously innovating, and gaining market share ever since its launch in 2009. Google has been stealing Bing's innovations blatantly over the last 12 months. Bing will destroy Google search within the next 5 years.

8. Windows Phone 7 - the most polished and elegant smart phone OS of all time. 1 billion times better than the pathetic Android.

Bottom line - Microsoft FTW. (snipped)

:laugh: I think Microsoft_Bob is full of crap, but you're full of just as much crap on the other side of the aisle. The intense love for Microsoft is just oozing from your pores.

Poor confused MS-Zealot. Lets review the successes of microsoft shall we?

aww you poor confused Microsoft Hater. We get it, you hate Microsoft but to come up with your list 8 points which is purely opinion and not actually based in reality is, as you put it, "Epic Fail".

What was the other quote you used that should be applied to yourself specifically (although you do make me laugh with just how bad your arguements are and how much you hate Microsoft) :-

"Stop trolling this thread please... "

Poor confused MS-Zealot. Lets review the successes of microsoft shall we?

(1) Zune. Verdict Fail.

(2) Kin. Verdict Epic Fail.

(3) Xbox. Verdict Beaten into the ground by the Wii and still playing catchup with (Kin)ect, their imitation of the Wii motion controller.

(4) Win Mobile 6x. Verdict Market share has dropped into the abyss.

(5) Internet Explorer. Verdict Lost 40% of market share despite being deployed with every windows PC, because lets face it, it sucks.

(6) Vista/7. Verdict XP, a ten year old OS, is still beating these without breaking a sweat,

(7) Bing/Live Search. Verdict Languishing in obscurity. Prediction Will inevitably lose market share to Google.

(8) Windows Phone 7. Verdict Windows 3.1 on a phone, but hey it's good for nostalgic reasons. Prediction Kin version 2.

Need I go on...

Zune - This is a fail, by marketshare only. Anyone who has had a Zune will disagree with you about it being a technical failure.

KIN - Was it MS' fault or Verizon's data package?

Xbox - Yes, I will give you this but with Kinect, Zune services & WP7 integration, we will see where this goes.

Win Mobile 6.x - Of course, its market share will drop, MS has WP7 coming out and they will no longer being selling that and will barely have extended support for it.

Internet Explorer - Yes, it's overall marketshare has dropped but they have several versions in use, last time i checked (today), IE 8 has more market share than Chrome.

Vista/7 & XP - The only people who are staying on XP or the stubborn people, business and people who are waiting until their computer dies. When the businesses update to Win 7 and that computer dies, who will be left?

Bing/Live Search - How so, when Google copied Image search, the home page picture from Bing

Windows Phone 7 - Not out yet, so whether or not, it will sell millions or only thousands, we will have to have a 'wait and see' stance on that.

Look, even if MS fails in these markets, they are still competition for the market leaders. If there is no competition, what the hell do you think is going to happen to the state of affairs when the market leader gets complacent. Look at what happened to MS and Internet Explorer. If you think your favourite company (Google, Apple, etc.) is immune to that, you must be crazy.

1. Zune - by far the most polished and feature-rich mp3 player in the world.

2. Kin - it was never meant to take the world by storm. So, it's success or failure is irrelevant.

3. Xbox 360 - the most popular gaming console by far, and Kinect will blow away Wii forever.

4. Windows Mobile 6x - has huge market in the business (snipped).

5. Internet Explorer - the most secure browser on Windows 7/Vista. With the release of IE9, it will also be the fastest and the most beautiful browser.

6. Windows 7 - THE GREATEST OPERATING SYSTEM IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND. IT'S THE FASTEST SELLING OS IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNIVERSE. IN LESS THAN 1 YEAR, IT HAS A 20% MARKET SHARE - MORE THAN 20 TIMES THAT OF THE (snipped) HAS AFTER 15 YEARS.

7. Bing - Continuously innovating, and gaining market share ever since its launch in 2009. Google has been stealing Bing's innovations blatantly over the last 12 months. Bing will destroy Google search within the next 5 years.

8. Windows Phone 7 - the most polished and elegant smart phone OS of all time. 1 billion times better than the pathetic Android.

Bottom line - Microsoft FTW. (snipped)

I'm sorry I'm gonna have to stop you there, there's a difference between being pro-microsoft and just well telling lies.

1) Zune, not really a major success and it may be feature rich but that doesn't offset the absence of 3rd party support for the platform.

2) Kin, you claim it was never meant to take the world by storm, might be true, but if Microsoft thought it wouldn't do well in at least the under 18s sector why would they release it?

3) The Xbox 360 isn't the popular, by numbers of units sold the Wii is still way out in front.

4) Windows Mobile was given a meh response by industry and a poor response by the general public, not exactly a success.

5) Internet Explorer, a 40% market share drop in six years isn't exactly amazing. IE did well while the competition was a shambles but as soon as they over took there was little MS could do.

6) I'll give you that Windows 7 has been pretty much received, but it won't step out of XP's shadow for some years yet.

7) Innovation doesn't mean anything if you can't get and keep end consumers to use Bing, most of Bing's growth has come from powering Yahoo and FaceBook searches and heavy advertising.

8) Windows Phone is being backed by a $1bn, if it doesn't do well Microsoft should be embarrassed.

Are we all getting a bit off topic here? This is about Microsoft being anti-Android, not pointing out failures of companies (which Google has many, but I won't compile a list because that isn't what this topic is about).

The thing is, it's Google's fault. The way Google license Android, the OEM's are on their own if Android violates patents. Google doesn't license Android like Microsoft licenses Windows. Any lawsuit regarding Windows will be handled by Microsoft, which is the way it ought to be. But as I said, Google doesn't care as much about their OEM's as Microsoft does.

In fact, if you think about it, Google not providing lawsuit protection of "it's" operating system shows you Google knows that Android violates numerous patents, and Google doesn't want to foot the bill.

OEM's should be aware of this, and be ready to face the consequences. Nothing in life is free... You get what you pay for. Cheap stuff is just that -- cheap.

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