Mac OS X Lion Discussion

[giga Veteran]

[Quillz]

Yes! Installing it now, hopefully there have been a lot of fixes.

[Simon Veteran]

Unfortunately, my laptop's at the shop getting its fan replaced, so I won't be able to check out the updated build for a little while yet. :/

[PyX]

Yeah, I?ve seen the update on mine. However, I can?t get it :laugh:

So tell us what?s new !

[Quillz]

Hey, did Apple can the idea of combining Mac OS X (client) with Mac OS X (server)?

I don't recall the first build (Developer Preview 1) having a separate Server download.

[DigitalE]

Hey, did Apple can the idea of combining Mac OS X (client) with Mac OS X (server)?

I don't recall the first build (Developer Preview 1) having a separate Server download.

Yeah, I thought Lion Server was just an optional install.

[Quillz]

Yeah, I thought Lion Server was just an optional install.

In Developer Preview 1, it was. You went into "Optional Installs" and could choose to install various server tools. I'll see if that's still the case with Developer Preview 2, but it doesn't appear to be.

[AltecXP]

Its probably to lessen the download needed for people that have bandwidth limits.

EDIT: Just found out thats not true, the Preview 2 is 3.7GB, the old was 3.64. So it's still a bigger download.

[saxondale.]

Any news on aftermarket SSD TRIM support?

[AltecXP]

Any news on aftermarket SSD TRIM support?

I can find out after it's done downloading. There is a tool that enables SSD TRIM in 10.6 and 10.7 on every SSD that supports TRIM.

[saxondale.]

I can find out after it's done downloading. There is a tool that enables SSD TRIM in 10.6 and 10.7 on every SSD that supports TRIM.

Yeah i've already done that, but would be nice to know if it's there by default :)

Cheers

[Quillz]

Graphite is back, as expected:

iCal has a very unusual toolbar design:

EDIT: Note iCal continues to use Aqua traffic lights even if you specify Graphite.

[AltecXP]

LaunchPad can me removed from the Dock and..... TRIM is NOT enabled on non-Apple SSD's.

My CPU is being put under 85% + load and fans are at almost 5200rpm, Think its Spotlight re-indexing.

[PyX]

If they?re going to present Lion at the WWDC in June, isn?t it because they have something to tell us that we haven?t seen before?

Otherwise, the Keynote would be pretty pointless, wouldn?t it?

[:: Lyon ::]

So if we install this, when the Lion is officially out and goes gold, we can just do an upgrade without reinstalling/reformatting our Mac right? (sorry, I came from Windows so "updating" an OS version without reformatting is still a new concept to me :p)

[Quillz]

So if we install this, when the Lion is officially out and goes gold, we can just do an upgrade without reinstalling/reformatting our Mac right? (sorry, I came from Windows so "updating" an OS version without reformatting is still a new concept to me :p)

No, you'll have to do a clean install.

[Simon Veteran]

Wow, that iCal toolbar is hideous :/

I see what they're trying to do - taking iOS and applying it to the desktop - but that's just one of those paradigms that doesn't translate to a multitasking desktop environment. An iPad app is designed to feel more like a real world object, because it's the only thing on the screen, but on a desktop it just ends up looking cluttered most of the time.

It was also just a poor style choice :p

[Lunfai]

So if we install this, when the Lion is officially out and goes gold, we can just do an upgrade without reinstalling/reformatting our Mac right? (sorry, I came from Windows so "updating" an OS version without reformatting is still a new concept to me :p)

o_o, What verison of Windows did you last use? Upgrades have been possible since Vista. But this developer preview will require a clean install, and should not be use for everyday use, just testing :)

[:: Lyon ::]

Ah.. thanks. Can't be bothered at the moment to reinstall all apps again

Upgrades have been possible since Vista

I know, but whatever they say, everyone knows a fresh install is the way to go :D

[AltecXP]

Well Chrome won't quit with out a force quit, Chromium won't launch. Safari has a bug where in order to have a file download you also need to have it listed as "preparing to download" or the speed on its drops to 12KB/s.

I have to say Dev2 is much more buggy performance wise for me, but less buggy appearance wise. I also get random CPU spikes and the fans kick up to 5000rpm then slow down after a minute or two.

Installing Xcode my CPU went to 55% usage with 80* temps and fans @ 6200 the whole time.... wtf.

Update #1: its saying its indexing spotlight again, and it will take 45hrs........

[Lunfai]

I can't wait to see improvements, I think the new buttons and scroll bar makes it pretty again, I'm happy with these changes, and anything else added (visually) will be a bonus.

I'm not going to use most of the newer features, but I'm looking forward to the new mail app. Coming from windows, I didn't use widgets so dashboard isn't used much on my current mac. I'm looking forward App resume, revisions, launch pad and full screen apps! I think these will be the main features I'm looking for! Can't wait :)

[PGHammer]

Pressing "Look up in Dictionary" through the Safari contextual menu doesn't do anything over here. :laugh: It doesn't show the pop-up window, nor does it launch Dictionary. I've only been using the keyboard shortcut in Mac OS X Lion like I normally would in Mac OS X Snow Leopard.

I'll be formatting my Mac tomorrow. It's not so much the bugs that bug me, but the fact most applications have a hard time on Mac OS X Lion. VMware Fusion fails to start my VMs, Transmission is unstable, both InDesign and Photoshop CS5 act quirky etc. Having to go back to Mac OS X Snow Leopard will suck though after running Mac OS X Lion intensively for the past few days. I don't want to see old Aqua again! Grrrrr :/

VMware Fusion (and Office 2011) are among the best-behaved of my carried-over (from SL) applications in Lion - neither of which was expected, as both place heavy CPU demands (especially using Unity in VMware Fusion). In fact, I run 7 Pro x64 in Unity in Lion, where I could not run 7 Pro x32 in Unity in SL.

That's another part of the bug-squashing process - some applications run like snails, while others run like Seattle Slew in his prime.

I have noticed one other nice surprise - practically anything that uses QE, CI, or both got a serious overhaul in Lion, even compared to SL (which was itself a major improvement that way over Leopard). That could be part of the improvements in Unity (which does make heavy use of QE/CI).

[.Neo]

VMware Fusion (and Office 2011) are among the best-behaved of my carried-over (from SL) applications in Lion - neither of which was expected, as both place heavy CPU demands (especially using Unity in VMware Fusion). In fact, I run 7 Pro x64 in Unity in Lion, where I could not run 7 Pro x32 in Unity in SL.

On my iMac VMware Fusion just hangs and finally crashes when starting up a guest.

iCal has a very unusual toolbar design:

I just puked in my mouth a little. That looks horrendous! :x

[Quillz]

On my iMac VMware Fusion just hangs and finally crashes when starting up a guest.

I just puked in my mouth a little. That looks horrendous! :x

Yeah, it's definitely odd looking. And sort of ironic to think that Apple is the hallmark for consistent UI design, and then they release iCal with a highly non-standard toolbar design and traffic lights that do not obey the system setting, much like iPhoto '11.

I think they're taking the iOS cues a little too far. The new toolbar design adds absolutely nothing positive, only visual distractions.

Also, this build seems to fix the issue with dragging images from Safari onto the Desktop or another folder.

[.Neo]

What I don't get at all: Why is Apple using that horrible shade of brown for iCal in Mac OS X Lion when the iPad's Calendar app uses a much better tint? I mean, if they used the same brown for Lion as seen on the iPad it would actually be bearable. This looks just plain wrong.

But I completely agree with you and Simon. With Address Book and iCal they went a step too far. I can see people start to complain like crazy though and we'll end up getting a preferences to revert things back to a default Aqua look in v10.7.1. :laugh: Remember Mac OS X Leopard's insanely transparent contextual menus and translucent Menu Bar without an option to make it opaque?