Mac OS X Lion Discussion

[.Neo]

As good as the Apple trackpads are, nothing will make me switch from my mouse to something else. Laptops = Trackpads, Desktops = Mouse.

I have been using the Magic Trackpad ever since it came out. My Magic Mouse has been dusting away ever since.

[OOOOOOOO]

I have been using the Magic Trackpad ever since it came out. My Magic Mouse has been dusting away ever since.

Depends what you're doing and what you're comfortable with. The type of work I do, the magic trackpad would suck ass for me. I don't dismiss the uses they have though :)

[PyX]

Well one day i forgot my mouse at school and had to work on AutoCAD all day long. I thought I would be able to draw only 2 rectangles in 6 hours, but I was actually REALLY productive with it. I have also beaten my friends in a custom labyrinth map in Starcraft when they were all using mice.

However, nothing compares against my Logitech MX1100 and Logitech Performance Mouse MX. I've never used my Magic Mouse because it was ergonomically speaking really BAD for my big hands. However, technologically speaking, I've never seen such an advanced mouse.

By the way, I would never use any other trackpad than Apple's glass trackpads. All the others SUCK.

[kagaku]

Just found out you can blur the background behind Terminal windows. (Y)

How? Screenshots? I'm going to assume it looks like Blurminal - be nice to have that built in!

[.Neo]

How? Screenshots? I'm going to assume it looks like Blurminal - be nice to have that built in!

You can select amount of blur in the color pane. Looks like the Stack grid view or Windows Aero.

Depends what you're doing and what you're comfortable with. The type of work I do, the magic trackpad would suck ass for me. I don't dismiss the uses they have though :)

No it does not depend on anything for me... I use my MagicTrackpad with InDesign and FinalCut Studio all the same...

[OOOOOOOO]

No it does not depend on anything for me... I use my MagicTrackpad with InDesign and FinalCut Studio all the same...

Depends what I'm doing then ;) I hate trackpads.

[what]

There's a place for mice and trackpads... that's why Apple offers both. Seems kinda pointless trying to argue one way or another.

[.Neo]

There's a place for mice and trackpads... that's why Apple offers both. Seems kinda pointless trying to argue one way or another.

Agreed.

[enigma-penguin Veteran]

You know what they don't offer? touchscreens! I got bored and installed it on the maclet, weeeeeee.

Sadly it's not a multi touch screen so I can't test the multi touch features. I think I'm going to fix that small issue and test it out sooner rather than later. For the most part I'm noticing it's all fairly minor teaks all over the os and main applications. I was hoping for more touch stuff to be sorted, but there seems to be a few odd behaviours that have appeared in Lion and especially when it comes to text input. I'll see if I can't get ink working properly again and if I can, I'll try and check if it's improved at all.

[.Neo]

I honestly just don't see the appeal in running a "tablet" with an desktop OS that hasn't been optimized for it at all. Especially not when it lacks multi-touch capabilities.

[Lunfai]

I honestly just don't see the appeal in running a "tablet" with an desktop OS that hasn't been optimized for it at all. Especially not when it lacks multi-touch capabilities.

I think it was more of a test than using it full time. I don't see how he could use it full time, because it's hard to navigate as we can see.

[tra]

Any1 knows why GLSL 1.3 is still missing? (this part is needed for full opengl 3.0 support)

I find that very strange, as i hear many rumors that it will support fully opengl 3.0

In windows it has opengl 3.2 support.. does anybody hass full opengl 3.0 with a nvidia geforce M 330?

[PyX]

I honestly just don't see the appeal in running a "tablet" with an desktop OS that hasn't been optimized for it at all. Especially not when it lacks multi-touch capabilities.

The guy likes to fiddle around with electronics, it?s not meant to be a new product or anything. It must have been pretty fun doing that though :p

[.Neo]

I was talking in general.

[PGHammer]

Well Chrome won't quit with out a force quit, Chromium won't launch. Safari has a bug where in order to have a file download you also need to have it listed as "preparing to download" or the speed on its drops to 12KB/s.

I have to say Dev2 is much more buggy performance wise for me, but less buggy appearance wise. I also get random CPU spikes and the fans kick up to 5000rpm then slow down after a minute or two.

Installing Xcode my CPU went to 55% usage with 80* temps and fans @ 6200 the whole time.... wtf.

Update #1: its saying its indexing spotlight again, and it will take 45hrs........

Is it the new apps included with Lion, as opposed to apps installed from outside?

I hated Safari in DP1 (very VERY buggy) and won't touch it with a cattle prod in DP2; instead, I'm sticking to Firefox.

iTunes, on the other hand, is a very stable music player (which is all I use it for).

Spotlight is like Index Server - a CPU pig the first two or three times its run (because it has to pretty much index the entire partition); however, unless you make marked changes to the entire partition, it gets faster and uses fewer CPU cycles as it does, because it re-indexes only the changes, not the entire partition.

Spotlight is like Index Server another way; it ties in heavily to the file-browsing application (Finder, in Lion's case) in addition to the Search functionality (which both Windows and OS X make heavy use of). How big is that partition? Forty-five hours is darn near two days.

[PGHammer]

Hey, did Apple can the idea of combining Mac OS X (client) with Mac OS X (server)?

I don't recall the first build (Developer Preview 1) having a separate Server download.

It didn't - it was an option for all DP1 users.

However, they have broken out Server from the rest of Lion in DP2 (likely because of separate issues in one that aren't present in the other).

Besides, it's not as if there were many folks using OS X Server as a desktop OS.

[Quillz]

I know, so does that mean that the final release will no longer combine the two?

[iuerg87yerg879e0rg9erugjer]

I know, so does that mean that the final release will no longer combine the two?

most likely

[giga Veteran]

Their official page still states that Server will be part of the regular package: http://www.apple.com/macosx/lion/

[PyX]

most likely

It won?t help Mac OS X Server adoption.

By the way, can someone care to explain why OS X Server is nearly inexistent on the market? I thought, if OS X is better than Windows for 5% of the population, maybe OS X Server would be better than Windows Server for 5% of the population too, but I think it?s closer to 0.1%. What?s the matter with that?

[The_Decryptor Veteran]

Probably because you still need to buy a mac for the server, and since Apple killed off the xserve line the only real option is a Mac Pro.

Compare that to Windows and Linux, which don't have that limitation (and Linux has even less than Windows)

[Stetson]

It won?t help Mac OS X Server adoption.

By the way, can someone care to explain why OS X Server is nearly inexistent on the market? I thought, if OS X is better than Windows for 5% of the population, maybe OS X Server would be better than Windows Server for 5% of the population too, but I think it?s closer to 0.1%. What?s the matter with that?

Most of the exclusive stuff on OSX server is in regards to managing OSX machines. If an office full of Macs only needs one OSX server machine, that probably doesn't generate a lot of demand.

That's probably why they ended up with the Mac Mini server, that's enough for most people's applications.

[enigma-penguin Veteran]

Im definitely not using Lion full time .Neo, it's far harder to navigate with than Snow Leopard was and contains no advantages for use in a tablet format. I only put it on there to tinker and test any new tablet stuff (if any); In most normal operations, it's fine though :p

[.Neo]

When it comes to multi-touch (using the Magic Trackpad) there's one thing that ****es me off about Mac OS X Lion: On certain websites like Neowin I have issues with scrolling horizontally from time to time. Instead Safari will go to the next/previous page.

I don't really understand Apple using the same two finger swipe for both horizontal scrolling and going back/next in Safari. Surely they understand there are some issues with that? :/

By the way, can someone care to explain why OS X Server is nearly inexistent on the market? I thought, if OS X is better than Windows for 5% of the population, maybe OS X Server would be better than Windows Server for 5% of the population too, but I think it?s closer to 0.1%. What?s the matter with that?

If you want the power and stability of UNIX you can use Linux for free instead of pouring money into Apple's bank account. Unlike the home market Linux is very popular on the server side of things. I can imagine that Mac OS X Server might not have enough benefits there that warrant the costs. Just a thought.

[Rudy]

Personally I've been using Lion full time since DP1. I have my old Snow Leopard partition that I can boot off if needed but so far I haven't been back.

One change I've noticed is the new format options I got for a USB drive :/ There's no options but now I can't seem to find a way to do it without journaling :/