Opera 11 is better than the latest Chrome and Firefox Nightlies

[Subject Delta]

As do plugins. There has to be a delineation. Extensions function within the browser, not separately.

How many extensions or plugins do you know that function independently of the browser?

[~Johnny]

How many extensions or plugins do you know that function independently of the browser?

Subject Delta is right - for the most part extensions don't run outside the browser... plugins can however - they tend to be interfaces that allow external programs that literally "plug in" and be used within a browser, like Windows Media Player, Quick Time, Silverlight, Adobe Reader, etc. But that is not technically what he was getting at I think :p I guess there should probably be some distinction between the code that's plugging it in the the program that is being plugged in though? :p <img>

[.Markus]

I've tried Opera on multiple occasions, last time around was with 10.1 and every time I'm annoyed by how it refuses to render many web pages properly. That's the main function of a web browser last I checked, so until that's fixed I'll stay well away.

I have the same problem with Opera Mobile on my iPhone, however at least on that particular platform I find use for it when I need some info quickly.

[Subject Delta]

Subject Delta is right - for the most part extensions don't run outside the browser... plugins can however - they tend to be interfaces that allow external programs that literally "plug in" and be used within a browser, like Windows Media Player, Quick Time, Silverlight, Adobe Reader, etc. But that is not technically what he was getting at I think :p I guess there should probably be some distinction between the code that's plugging it in the the program that is being plugged in though? :p <img>

I guess even in those cases they are still being executed in the browser, and btw why do <img> tags appear in your posts? :/

In some way, whether it is an extension or a plugin, it is third party code that is being executed by the browser to change it's functionality. The framework of execution may well be different, and I admit that ActiveX plugins use a lot more native code than firefox extensions, however it's all to the same effect in my opinion.

One thing's for sure though, IE could seriously have benefited from the system Chrome has where the extensions are sandboxed and launched in a separate process. Back in the days of IE6 I used to get a lot of crashes caused by ActiveX plugins

[feydun]

I've tried Opera on multiple occasions, last time around was with 10.1 and every time I'm annoyed by how it refuses to render many web pages properly. That's the main function of a web browser last I checked, so until that's fixed I'll stay well away.

I have the same problem with Opera Mobile on my iPhone, however at least on that particular platform I find use for it when I need some info quickly.

opera mobile - not as good as opera mini - it's extremely fast on mine, and compresses pages to make a dramatic difference in the data downloaded.

As for opera, i've repeatedly compared it over the years to firefox and internet explorer. On a low spec/old pc, the difference really shows: opera is definitely faster, also less likely to crash/leak memory. it is true that for a few pages you have to keep some other browser around - i tend to use internet explorer when that's a problem, but it's hardly ever happening these days. i also keep firefox around for all the extras, but most of the time opera wins. chrome looks promising but it's got a little way to go yet.

[ArKeYa]

I've tried Opera on multiple occasions, last time around was with 10.1 and every time I'm annoyed by how it refuses to render many web pages properly. That's the main function of a web browser last I checked, so until that's fixed I'll stay well away.

I have the same problem with Opera Mobile on my iPhone, however at least on that particular platform I find use for it when I need some info quickly.

Have you tried mask/identify as?

[polyarchist]

Again with the crap. Chrome doesn't have to be started up to access it's private session browsing, it's in the jump menu list regardless i Chrome is closed or open. So again, stop spewing crap.

Most people don't even know the jump menu exists. Come on now. Google is keeping these options out of the way on purpose. There should be an option right in the preferences that says "always be incognito" and you know it.

[Denis W. Veteran]

Most people don't even know the jump menu exists. Come on now. Google is keeping these options out of the way on purpose. There should be an option right in the preferences that says "always be incognito" and you know it.

Most people don't know the jumplist exists? Kind of hard to believe when it's a simple right click on a taskbar button, right?

Also just to be fair, from what I see you can't force Opera to start up a private tab on startup. Also Opera puts its new private window option behind a popup menu as well, under Tabs and Windows in the Opera menu, and also on the jumplist as well.

Now still on the topic of privacy, the option to wipe the cache on exit is missing from Chrome. Opera has the ability to wipe cache and history on exit, and Firefox has the ability to permanently turn on Private Browsing.

[Guest mattburles]

opera does not work right for me. pages load slower than ie, firefox and chrome. It feels like i'm on a dial-up connection and i have DSL :unsure:

[+virtorio MVC]

Most people don't even know the jump menu exists. Come on now. Google is keeping these options out of the way on purpose. There should be an option right in the preferences that says "always be incognito" and you know it.

If you're obsessed and paranoid enough to want your browser to start up like that, you're probably more than capable of adding the -incognito command line switch to your Chrome shortcut.

Look forward to seeing what other non-issues you'll bitch about next.

[.Markus]

opera mobile - not as good as opera mini - it's extremely fast on mine, and compresses pages to make a dramatic difference in the data downloaded.

As for opera, i've repeatedly compared it over the years to firefox and internet explorer. On a low spec/old pc, the difference really shows: opera is definitely faster, also less likely to crash/leak memory. it is true that for a few pages you have to keep some other browser around - i tend to use internet explorer when that's a problem, but it's hardly ever happening these days. i also keep firefox around for all the extras, but most of the time opera wins. chrome looks promising but it's got a little way to go yet.

Sorry, I meant Opera Mini and that's where I'm also experiencing problems with many web pages displaying incorrectly. Even Neowin forums..

Which is a shame as it's 3-4x quicker to load web pages on 3G/GPRS than Safari.

Have you tried mask/identify as?

No, care to explain more?

[polyarchist]

If you're obsessed and paranoid enough to want your browser to start up like that, you're probably more than capable of adding the -incognito command line switch to your Chrome shortcut.

Look forward to seeing what other non-issues you'll bitch about next.

I don't want that. I want to be able to manage my cache and then clear my history on exit so I have the convenience of using my history during my session.

[LiquidSolstice]

Yeah, but the logo sucks (only 50% joking) :)

Seriously though... Opera 11 wastes space.... the Menu button could be alongside your first tab. Instead though it's above and you have all that glass above your tabs just wasted. Secondly, separate search bars are completely and utterly unnecessary. Can I remove it and search from the address bar like most other browsers are doing now?

I'm not sure what version of Opera you're using, but what you wish it to be is exactly what Opera looks like. :unsure:

[Tim the Enchanter]

No, care to explain more?

Right click on any page -> Site Preferences -> Network -> Browser identification

Alternatively, you can go to Appearance -> buttons -> status -> drag out the "Identify As" onto any toolbar

[ArKeYa]

No, care to explain more?

Right click on any page -> edit site preferences -> network tab. Set browser identification as mask/identify as Firefox/IE etc. This is Opera's way around browser sniffing. Most of the time just doing this fixes the problematic site for me.

All options in edit site preferences tab is per site settings, including disabling/enabling content/plugins/scripting, per site.

[ranpha]

Still no SOCKS4/5 proxy support (of which IE, Firefox and Chrome has), therefore it is unusable to me. This feature has been requested for a long time already but it seems that Opera AS deems that this isn't important. If basic networking feature like SOCKS support is not supported, while bloated features such as Opera Unite, Bittorent (which needs SOCK supports more than ever to bypass throttling), IRC etc. are included, then I will say that Opera AS has their priority misguided. They can stay with their paltry >5% market share for all I care.

[wellofsouls]

Yeah, but the logo sucks (only 50% joking) :)

Seriously though... Opera 11 wastes space.... the Menu button could be alongside your first tab. Instead though it's above and you have all that glass above your tabs just wasted. Secondly, separate search bars are completely and utterly unnecessary. Can I remove it and search from the address bar like most other browsers are doing now?

the Menu button IS alongside your first tab by default, with maximized window that is. With non-maximized window, the Menu button is above the tabs which leaves glass above your tabs because you need to have some area to drag around your window, no?

And yup you can remove the search bar if you don't need the search suggestion feature, and search directly from the address bar. Actually, I think Opera is the first browser that provided the functionality of searching from address bar.

[red.]

I really like the way that in Opera, i can create a private tab in a normal window and don't have to open up a new Window just for that purpose like in Chrome and IE. I tend to use them fairly often even at work and just this feature speeds up my browsing.

[~Johnny]

However im having trouble with some flash apps. such as blogtv, and stickam. i cant read the chats or anything. its really faded and i dunno. just ugly.

Are you by any chance not using Opera's default skin?<img><img>

[LiquidSolstice]

im loving opera. Actually am using it full time now after finding a working ad block (using ad muncher which is a system wide adblocker, and works great btw :D ), and loving it.

However im having trouble with some flash apps. such as blogtv, and stickam. i cant read the chats or anything. its really faded and i dunno. just ugly.

also some sites wont let me login using opera which is odd, but over all i think i am sticking with it.

Especially since microsoft isnt giving us features we really want such as a spellchecker in ie9. and having a major problem with the firefox 4 betas and font rendering (font is blurry and smudged together).

but loving it. :D Allowing extensions finally really made the whole difference.

In my experience, custom skins tend to really !@#$ with Flash based content. If you're using a custom skin, try going back to the original.

[Knife Party]

I really like the way that in Opera, i can create a private tab in a normal window and don't have to open up a new Window just for that purpose like in Chrome and IE. I tend to use them fairly often even at work and just this feature speeds up my browsing.

+1, this is the feature which always stands out for me too

[Mr. Gibs]

+1, this is the feature which always stands out for me too

Yeh not sure why IE and Chrome both open new windows for private browsing.

[psreloaded]

opera does not work right for me. pages load slower than ie, firefox and chrome. It feels like i'm on a dial-up connection and i have DSL :unsure:

Try turning off turbo in case of a fast connection instead of putting it on auto or on.

Sorry, I meant Opera Mini and that's where I'm also experiencing problems with many web pages displaying incorrectly. Even Neowin forums..

Which is a shame as it's 3-4x quicker to load web pages on 3G/GPRS than Safari.

No, care to explain more?

Opera has a identify as option in the tools menu quick preferences probably. You can use that to identify as IE or FF. This can also be done on a per site basis. After the site loads, right click and click "Edit site preferences".

[polyarchist]

I can't believe how many people turn on Turbo thinking that they will get a faster speed.

[PreKe]

Hello everybody, I've been reading this forum for a long time and decided to finally post something I felt was lacking in this subforum.

You felt that an all out browser flamewar was lacking? :o

Dude... Nothing good can come from threads like this. Everyone uses his or her preferred browser. Live and let live already.