Opera 11 is better than the latest Chrome and Firefox Nightlies


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I prefer Chrome (or Chromium in Linux) but I like Opera too. It has it's quirks but it's good overall.

This!

I enjoyed giving Opera 11 a spin, but I still can't help feel parts of it are outdated (no native menus for example), and it would do good having a code rewrite for Vista/7 standards.

Some times loads fast and some times delays typically much! This characteristic delay exists in Opera for years now!

Anyway. There isn't question. FireFox 4 is/will be the best browser in every aspect. Undoubtedly. We all know that.

The creator of this topic probably is a paid troll by Opera or even an Opera Dev/executive.

I use a few different browsers in the following priorities:

1. ChromePlus 1.5.1.1

2. Firefox 4 (64bit)

3. Internet Explorer 8 (64bit)

4. Opera 11

the way i look at it different site different needs may yield different CHOICE. its all choice people and stop being software zealots. some of you are like religious nuts!

edit: included version numbers for all browsers.

Edited by Leroy Jethro Gibbs

I use a few different browsers in the following priorities:

1. ChromePlus 1.5.1.1

2. Firefox 4 (64bit)

3. Internet Explorer 8 (64bit)

4. Opera 11

the way i look at it different site different needs may yield different CHOICE. its all choice people and stop being software zealots. some of you are like religious nuts!

edit: included version numbers for all browsers.

ChromePlus is pretty good if you want to avoid Chrome malware and get a more stable Chromium.

Believe me, I am all for changing for the better. But if Ctrl + Click works just like Click - then that is STUPID ( I don't have Opera handy to what exactly it does, but last time I tried that in Google Reader and it opened the link in the same window).

Except, Opera isn't trying to be a copy of another web browser, it is its own browser. It's not the job of Opera to import your usage from other browsers. Simple lesson; if you try new things, be ready to learn new ways of doing them. If you can't handle or accept that change, you go back to what you were using before and that's all there is to it.

ChromePlus is pretty good if you want to avoid Chrome malware and get a more stable Chromium.

What is this "Chrome Malware"? The anonymous statistics that e.g. Firefox also collects, so the developers can better know how the features are used to provide a better browser in the future? And how do you know ChromePlus itself isn't a piece of malware? At least Chromium is open-source for public scrutiny -- ChromePlus isn't. (I really wonder why - when it's even offered for free)

Believe me, I am all for changing for the better. But if Ctrl + Click works just like Click - then that is STUPID ( I don't have Opera handy to what exactly it does, but last time I tried that in Google Reader and it opened the link in the same window).

To open a link in a new tab, right click and drag slightly down and release. easier and faster than ctrl+click. :)

Not to an Opera user

you do of course know that middle click will also open the link in a new tab, on opera as well, or wher eyou just trollign and assuming ?

and no, not really. you always have a finger on the RMB, the middle button however, depending on how you use the mouse, you either don't have a finger there all the time, or it's a wheel that's not that easy to press to start with.

Not to an Opera user

Well I'm an opera user. That's what I do for live links, all the time.

and no, not really. you always have a finger on the RMB, the middle button however, depending on how you use the mouse, you either don't have a finger there all the time, or it's a wheel that's not that easy to press to start with.

Ah yes, that also works. Although it shifts focus to the new tab unlike when I middle click where it's set to open in background.

no i'm not. But this doesn't mean google is not tracking your searches and your navigation, because it does so. this may bother you or not. and you can use chrome, or not.

Sigh.

What Chrome does and does not track has been extensively documented both my Google itself and third-party researchers. The source code is freely available. Packet sniffers can easily verify or dispel whatever remaining doubts you may have. I'm sorry, but I can think of no reason for this continued perpetration of "Chrome is spying on you!!" FUD other than determined and deliberate ignorance.

What Chrome does and does not track has been extensively documented both my Google itself and third-party researchers. The source code is freely available. Packet sniffers can easily verify or dispel whatever remaining doubts you may have. I'm sorry, but I can think of no reason for this continued perpetration of "Chrome is spying on you!!" FUD other than determined and deliberate ignorance.

Not a fan of Chrome, at all, but that's quite true, plus you can get Chromium instead if it bothers you, same browser sans the Google stuff. I can think of plenty of reasons why I don't like Chrome, but big brother Google isn't one of them. (If I were in the tin foil hat mood, I'd be more worried about Google Analytics than the browser :D)

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Except, Opera isn't trying to be a copy of another web browser, it is its own browser. It's not the job of Opera to import your usage from other browsers. Simple lesson; if you try new things, be ready to learn new ways of doing them.

Where is the incentive for a user to switch to your product if you don't allow the user to start using your product without additional crutches? A good product is that which requires minimal learning to use. The best/ideal product is that which requires no learning at all to use.

Regardless, Ctrl+Click (everyone else) is better than Ctrl+Shift+Click (only Opera).

If you can't handle or accept that change, you go back to what you were using before and that's all there is to it.

That mentality is the essence of a failing business/product. Exhibit A - Opera. Exhibit B - Internet Explorer.

I've been using Opera almost exclusively for the past week. It sure grows on you. In many ways it's the best browser out now because you can customize it so much without having to use third party addons. Some people don't like that and that's fine too.

Growled - So do genital warts, are you going to start "sharing" that? :p

Each to their own. There is no right or wrong answer here. I find it amusing the amount of religious zealotry involved with these kinds of threads, always interesting to read though :p

Growled - So do genital warts, are you going to start "sharing" that? :p

Only if you want some. :p

Each to their own. There is no right or wrong answer here. I find it amusing the amount of religious zealotry involved with these kinds of threads, always interesting to read though :p

I use IE9, FF, Chrome, and Opera. I change with whatever mood I find myself in. I don't understand the religious zealotry I see so much. They are just tools.

So I have this problem with Opera. I'm about on the cusp of making it my main browser, but there is one mind-boggling issue that I just cannot track down.

When I want to interact on some pages (usually ones with more content on) sometimes Opera will freeze for half a second or more and not let me do anything. Mostly this happens when scrolling down a long page but sometimes when I want to select a link or type in a text frame.

This doesn't happen in any other browser I've tried, and is the one thing stopping me from using Opera more extensively. I have no clue what causes it, as I've tried running Opera with no extensions, with Windows in aero and basic, with custom third party themes and without etc etc.

Any clues?

Only if you want some. :p

You know I do ;)

I've been stalking you all over these forums :p

We should get some of the other people from the thread in with us.. 99% of them are in desperate need of getting laid >.>

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