Opera 11 is better than the latest Chrome and Firefox Nightlies


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Google has been purposely sabotaging Opera for years now, every since they took over what is now google docs, they then added code that would break the site in google (except google logo's it was the only thing added to the site), it wasn't just browser snifing either, they purposely added non standard code that would break in opera. They're such a nice and non evil company.

But they did add the moving top bar to Opera in Gmail - still waiting for Safari to support that.

Opera is simply the standard by which other browsers should be measured. Sure it has it flaws like other browsers, like rendering certain websites.

I switched from firefox to Opera quite some time ago and have never looked back, it has all the functions I require in a browser, and more!

Opera is simply the standard by which other browsers should be measured. Sure it has it flaws like other browsers, like rendering certain websites.

I switched from firefox to Opera quite some time ago and have never looked back, it has all the functions I require in a browser, and more!

Except loading sites properly and non buggy flash

I don't think Opera 11.50 is faster than the Firefox 7.0a2 aurora build I'm beta testing.

Plus Opera doesn't seem to handle Youtube videos well (forum discussion here)

Agreed.

Firefox 7.0a2 is MUCH better on RAM use vs the stable Firefox 4/5 releases as those will eventually go higher and higher with random loading and closing of websites where as Firefox 7.0a2 eventually seems to stable out around 200MB of RAM.

because that was hands down my biggest complaint with Firefox 4/5 is the RAM slowly needing more and more the longer it stayed open but it seems to be cured in Firefox 7.0a2.

p.s. for those who want to try Firefox 7 you will most likely need to force it to use your extensions otherwise ill bet most of them will get disabled. http://goo.gl/r6G02 , but instead of where it has "extensions.checkCompatibility.4.0" put "extensions.checkCompatibility.7.0a" . which will force Firefox 7 to try using your extensions. (i got about 4 extensions and around 3 of them got disabled)

Dont know about everyone else, but Im sticking with Internet Explorer 9. I can't stand Opera and Firefox for some reason, and I also dont like Google as a company with their "We're not evil" BS.

Whats up with IE9 and Opera butchering long-string-of-text-without-spaces-like-this-one-for-example such as on bugzilla.mozilla.org and youtube profiles?

They go outside of the space dedicated to them bleeding into other columns...

Ugly as ****

opera blowed up when they implemented torrent and widgets... they loose so much time with these stupid things.

BitTorrent and widgets were added years ago. Where on earth have you been?

As for widgets being "stupid," Opera is apparently making a lot of money from them through licensing agreements, so it looks to me like it was a clever move. Besides, it was the first step towards real offline web applications.

Dont know about everyone else, but Im sticking with Internet Explorer 9. I can't stand Opera and Firefox for some reason, and I also dont like Google as a company with their "We're not evil" BS.

You prefer to stay with Microsoft, a company notorious for spending hundreds of millions of dollars on PR campaigns to make people like you think they are the good guys?

BitTorrent and widgets were added years ago. Where on earth have you been?

As for widgets being "stupid," Opera is apparently making a lot of money from them through licensing agreements, so it looks to me like it was a clever move. Besides, it was the first step towards real offline web applications.

You prefer to stay with Microsoft, a company notorious for spending hundreds of millions of dollars on PR campaigns to make people like you think they are the good guys?

As opposed to people who cant produce a competitive product, that cry to the EU because theyre too lazy to advertise...durr

As opposed to people who cant produce a competitive product, that cry to the EU because theyre too lazy to advertise...durr

You mean like Google, who filed antitrust complaints against Microsoft?

Or Microsoft, who filed antitrust complaints against Google?

Or Google and Mozilla, who were part of the browser antitrust complaint in the EU?

Or what are you referring to, exactly?

As for being too lazy to advertise, how do you out-advertise Google, an online ad monopolist?

I have a netbook with a good-ish GPU (Nvidia 9400M). I prefer Chrome but the atom CPU just isn't up to scratch.

At the moment IE9 is miles faster than any other browser due to its graphics acceleration (both for 3d objects AND general page drawing). Having the GPU do some of the work on an underpowered system like mine makes a huge difference. I'm waiting for the Chrome and Firefox/Aurora nightlies to catch up, but they're still a bit too buggy (chrome is especially poor when full acceleration is enabled) for daily use.

To the OP, you need to grow up over google's use of information. They do not steal information, it is all handled by algorithms in a completely benign way.

In addition, given that the vast majority of computer users get to websites by search engines, you should be aware that you're about as tracked in firefox or opera as in chrome. Almost no one deletes browser history on close and if you're bothered enough to do that, you can just open an incognito / private windows anyway.

Edit:

On opera itself. Meh.

I feel really bad for them, because a LOT of things we take for granted in web browsers today (tabbed browsing, 'offline', web 'apps' etc) started or were pioneered by them, yet they never get traction.

I personally find it doesn't have enough of a reason to stay with it. Its standards compliance is very up to date, but conservative; a lot of html5 demos do work, but miss things (last time I used it their rounded corner support was very very basic) . Another thing that really ****ed me off is that it doesn't update images on every reload unless the website has bothered to tell it to or if you change the settings. This is really annoying for dynamic websites that change regularly.

In short, while it's not a bad browser, I don't think there's anything in it to compel someone to switch, and if you do you may well find the little quirks it has are not worth your time to learn and adapt to.

I feel really bad for them, because a LOT of things we take for granted in web browsers today (tabbed browsing, 'offline', web 'apps' etc) started or were pioneered by them, yet they never get traction.

Opera has more than 200 million users, profits are soaring, and they are basically the #1 mobile browser. They are huge on the desktop in countries like Russia and other emerging markets.

So Opera does have traction. It just doesn't have an online ad monopoly like Google, which makes it even more surprising that it has managed to get hundreds of millions of users.

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Does anyone else have an issue with Opera since the upgrade to 11.52?

In particular, my browser becomes very unresponsive after I've been using it for a while - scrolling will lock up for a second, or changing tabs will similarly cause the browser to lock up for a second or so.

I've had this issue before with Opera (I think version 10.x) and it went away. I'm hoping it goes away again soon because this is the only browser that it happens in - and Opera was by far my favourite for a long while.

^ Well, I have an issue when using the 'inspect element' when right-clicking: sometimes Opera simply shuts down for no reason and ask me to sent a bug report (which I do now for about 3 months, three times a week or so :p )

Other than that, great update, really love Opera!

Latest Opera is way more buggy.

So I checked out the Opera blog and I see a bunch of people reporting "x doesn't render right" type problems during in RC stages and final release still having all these issues.

Nice.

why does everyone care about google knowing how much porn you surf.... i know i don't care....

Dont worry, they know a lot more than your porn. You shouldnt worry how they use your information, you should worry to whom they are selling your information and what they could do.

Latest Opera is way more buggy.

So I checked out the Opera blog and I see a bunch of people reporting "x doesn't render right" type problems during in RC stages and final release still having all these issues.

Nice.

The latest is stable, 11.60 has some bugs just as any other browser would. while it has some bugs you can't expect a bug free browser. That's

just not going to happen.

I do like chrome but having the google moniker puts me off, I dont trust them, never have, thats why I use Chromium, all the google addons work with it cos its what Chrome is based on.

http://www.chromium.org/Home

But im happy enough using IE9 for day to day browsing, its quick, slick and works all the time, imo MS have finally got IE right.

The only opera I use is on my blackberries, Opera mini, much much better than the BBs comical pooh browser.

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The latest is stable, 11.60 has some bugs just as any other browser would. while it has some bugs you can't expect a bug free browser. That's

just not going to happen.

an upcoming 11.61 release of opera will be available later in January 2012, which should fix some of the recent bugs from 11.60.

Can I remove it and search from the address bar like most other browsers are doing now?

Yes, and not only that but you can set where to search in the address bar, for example:

g macbook pro // will search on google

z macbook pro // will search on amazon

w macbook pro // will search on wikipedia

you can define shortcuts for any search box so you could say do nw macbook pro // will search on neowin

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