F1 World Championship 2011 Thread

By +Frank B.
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  1. 1. Which team will win the Constructor's Championship?

    • Red Bull Renault
      57
    • McLaren Mercedes
      30
    • Ferrari
      14
    • Mercedes GP
      4
    • Lotus Renault GP
      0
    • Williams Cosworth
      1
    • Force India Mercedes
      0
    • Sauber Ferrari
      1
    • Scuderia Toro Rosso Ferrari
      0
    • Team Lotus Renault
      1
    • Hispania Racing Team Cosworth
      1
    • Marussia Virgin Racing Cosworth
      1

  2. 2. Which driver will win the World Driver's Championship?

    • Sebastian Vettel
      52
    • Mark Webber
      2
    • Lewis Hamilton
      22
    • Jenson Button
      7
    • Fernando Alonso
      14
    • Felipe Massa
      2
    • Michael Schumacher
      6
    • Nico Rosberg
      0
    • Nick Heidfeld
      1
    • Vitali Petrov
      0
    • Rubens Barichello
      0
    • Pastor Madonaldo
      0
    • Adrian Sutil
      0
    • Paul di Resta
      0
    • Kamui Kobayashi
      1
    • Sergio Perez
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    • Sebastian Buemi
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    • Jaime Algersuari
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    • Other (specify below)
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lol button 6 pitstops and still won this ... amazing i have to say. i never thought of him as the fastest but he has a cool and calm approach and especially seems to be able to read a race in changing conditions, while the so supposed superstars like hamilton and alonso ALWAYS manage to fail.

now, please, scroll few pages back, where i was wondering about massa and schumacher... today everyone could see if rain occurs, the teams cant screw one driver up and problems with tire heating up also are gone, so both , felipe and michael were comfortably ahead of their team mates.

for webber i just got confirmed what i ever thought: he is old and plain slow, sorry.

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ahmz

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Good 15 laps, overall a boring race with the SC staying out WAY too long, that was a joke. Maybe they should spare Pirelli some development costs and just axe the wet tyres from Formula 1 because clearly the sport isn't man enough for it.

Very good drive by Button but can't help feel the FIA didn't penalise him for the "good" of the sport. Vettel lost this one because he was over-confident or too cautious while out in front, he only picked up the pace once Button had reached P2 and by then it was too late as the gap clearly wasn't big enough to take what otherwise should have been a comfortable win.

Also a good move by Massa to beat Kobayashi at the line. Disappointed Schumacher didn't make the podium. He only lost out due to DRS.

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san.W10

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THE RAIN MEISTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

best race, was totally worth staying up till 3AM here in india :D

was so good when MS overtook massa & kob :rofl: & then held the superior cars of #2 cars RBR & Mc,

poor alonso. butnoob should have got a drive through coz he didnt even try to turn when alonso was in front. but if FIA took his victory, we know what would happen :p

ham still hasnt learnt anything from monaco.

well now i wont say a word why Ferrari has the right to support FA & keep Massa @ #2.

lol

smedly was telling massa every lap (i guess) to overtake kob.

Kob cause 2-3 rear ending in the race, nick.

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san.W10

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Bittersweet. I was literally praying for Michael to hold 'em. But alas, it was a very very fine drive. I just hope this lights a fire under the teams' arse to get a grip on that silver sonofabitch.

Alright, so now that MGP has given us some sort of a hope, who's betting on them making a total f*kup of the next race and smashing our hope once more?

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Mixed feelings for Schumacher

Michael Schumacher has admitted to having mixed feelings over what is already being labelled the best performance of his Mercedes career.

The German veteran, who earlier in his career was widely recognised as one of the greatest wet-weather driver of his generation, rolled back the years with several audacious overtaking manoeuvres.

He fought his way all the way to second place after lining up eighth on the grid, but was unable to hold off Mark Webber's Red Bull and Jenson Button's McLaren in the final laps as the track dried out, exposing the Mercedes' lack of ultimate top speed.

"I am leaving this race with one eye laughing and one eye crying, as I am not sure if I should be excited or sad about it," Schumacher said following the four-hour classic.

"Having been in second place towards the end, I would obviously have loved to finish there and be on the podium again. But even if it did not work out in the very end, we can be happy about the result and the big fight we put in."

Perhaps unsurprisingly, the experienced Schumacher was not fazed by the two-hour break in proceedings. Lying in 12th place as lap 26 began, Schumacher put in some of his best racing of 2011 in the changeable conditions of the second half of the race.

"A good strategy after the red flag made it possible, and I am very happy for our team," he said.

Schumacher was running second as late as lap 65, but couldn't resist the repeated DRS-powered onslaughts from Button and Webber.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/92311

poor seb, his team should have told him to build the gap ween button was so quicker

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MightyJordan

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So, there's what the stewards said about the Button/Alonso incident (from ahmz's link):

Car 5 [Alonso] was on an out lap having pitted. Car 4 [button] appeared to be firmly established on the inside line prior to the entry of the corner and drove onto the kerb to avoid Car 5 on the outside.

In view of the conditions and the statements by both drivers and their team representatives, the Stewards decide that this was a ?racing incident? and have taken no further action.

And for the McLaren incident:

The Stewards have reviewed the Incident involving Car 3 (L. Hamilton) and Car 4 (J. Button) on their 7th lap of the race. The Stewards reviewed the lines of several cars, including the two cars involved, using multiple angles of video evidence over several laps, the speed traces of both drivers, the GPS tracking data from the cars and have heard the drivers and team representatives.

The Stewards concluded that:

1) Exiting Turn 13 there was a legitimate overtaking opportunity for Lewis Hamilton as his speed was greater than Jensen Button?s.

2) Both drivers took lines substantially similar to many of the other drivers, and did not move as far to the left as the preceding driver, Michael Schumacher. At the moment after Hamilton moved to the left to pass, Button looked into his mirror. It appears from the position of Hamilton at that moment [and is confirmed by the drivers] that Button was unlikely to have seen Hamilton.

3) At the point of contact Button had not yet moved as far to the left of the track as he had on the previous lap, or that Schumacher had on that lap.

The Stewards have concluded that it was reasonable for Hamilton to believe that Button would have seen him and that he could have made the passing manoeuvre. Further, the Stewards have concluded that it is reasonable to believe that Button was not aware of Hamilton?s position to his left. Therefore, the Stewards decide that this was a ?racing incident? and have taken no further action.

So they agreed with Hamilton about him having a legitimate overtaking opportunity.

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MightyJordan

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More criticism for Hamilton...

Lewis Hamilton?s attacking style was under fresh scrutiny after three-time world champion Niki Lauda warned that if the Briton continued to drive as he has been doing ?it will result in someone getting killed?.

Hamilton crashed out after just eight laps in the Canadian Grand Prix after a collision with team-mate Jenson Button.

Stewards were still deliberating last night over whether or not to punish him. Hamilton had already escaped punishment earlier in a chaotic rain-affected race after a collision with Red Bull?s Mark Webber.

Lauda called on the governing body to set an example. ?What Hamilton did there goes beyond all boundaries,? the Austrian said during his commentary on the German station RTL. ?He is completely mad. If the FIA does not punish him, I do not understand the world any more. At some point there has to be an end to all the jokes. You cannot drive like this ? as it will result in someone getting killed.?

Hamilton?s criticism of his fellow drivers and race stewards following two collisions at the Monaco Grand Prix a fortnight ago caused outrage, and these latest incidents are sure to add fuel to the debate.

The Briton complained in Monaco that he had been in to see the stewards five times in six races, joking ill-advisedly that they might be targeting him ?because I am black?. The 26 year-old managed to keep his cool rather better this time around, and there was some sympathy for him given the conditions.

?I felt that I was at least halfway alongside him,? Hamilton said of his collision with Button. ?Jenson made a mistake going into the final corner so I was able to get a better exit, and was coming down the outside of him. I don?t know if he could see me or not, but he just kept coming over and over.?

BBC pundit and Daily Telegraph columnist David Coulthard did not see it that way, however, saying: ?If that?s Lewis?s idea of halfway I wouldn?t want to share my chocolate bar with him.?

Lauda?s comments came after two-time world champion Emerson Fittipaldi, a race steward in Monaco, had earlier waded into the debate himself. ?I think Lewis is an exceptional talent, a world champion, but sometimes he is too aggressive when he tries to overtake,? the 1972 and 1974 champion said. ?It was like that in Monaco with Felipe [Massa], placing half of the car in the sidewalk and putting Felipe in a difficult position, at least.

?He put Felipe in a dangerous position, really. I think there has to be a limit for being aggressive, respecting the others and still being competitive. You can be competitive, but you have to respect the others.?

Hamilton argues that his aggressive driving is exactly what fans are after, saying that sees no difference between the way that he goes about fighting his rivals and the way his hero, Ayrton Senna, did. Fittipaldi, however, thinks that Senna had more respect for his opposition.

?Ayrton used to be a very aggressive driver, but I don?t remember seeing him doing what Lewis did, not only in Monaco, but if you turn back three years ago, in the Belgium Grand Prix, in Spa,? Fittipaldi continued.

?There he did some very critical manoeuvres with [Kimi] Raikkonen. That sort of aggressive overtaking is not a normal thing to do.

?I think he is spectacular. From the viewers? point of view it is cool to have a spectacular driver on the grid, but you have to respect the other drivers. When you lack respect and put others in a risky position, it is wrong.?

Hamilton did receive some support from an unlikely source, though, with Michael Schumacher jumping to his defence, claiming he would not have punished him for the incident with Massa in Monaco.

?[in] Monaco we know it is very difficult to pass and if somebody doesn?t want it, then it is very hard to avoid a collision,? Schumacher said. ?I guess, in two of the four cases he passed people, two didn?t want it and two accepted it.

?It is a tough situation to be perfectly right. You will always find one or the other opinion on that ? but put it this way: I would not have given him [a penalty] for Felipe at least.?

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san.W10

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lol at poor marshal, must have under lot of pressure

anyways, i think FIA should do something about Race restarts, the tyre changes before restart

it just makes a joke out teams & drivers who have made pitstops & are on a strategy.

and also the backmarkers should be allowed/made to line up in their respective positions, not in front of leading cars

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My 2 ?:

  • Regarding Hamilton: I agree with what Lauda said. His driving lately is dangerous, and he deserves a two race suspension to cool off.
  • For me there were two men of the race yesterday: Jenson Button and Michael Schumacher. The way the latter put his allegedly slower car on P2 in the closing stages of the race and only just missed out on a podium showed that he still has the racecraft from his old days.
  • Reject of the Race: Lewis Hamilton.

Once more it was one of the best races in ages. 2011 looks like it will be remembered as one of the best seasons of all time.

Bring on Valencia.

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TheLegendOfMart

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Good 15 laps, overall a boring race with the SC staying out WAY too long, that was a joke. Maybe they should spare Pirelli some development costs and just axe the wet tyres from Formula 1 because clearly the sport isn't man enough for it.

Wat.

It has nothing to do with the tyres, the floor on every car is milimetres away from the ground and when it hits water it acts like a scoop/rudder that keeps the car going straight. You would rather the safety car didnt stay out and all the cars just went flying off and crashing?

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