Windows 8 build 8005/8006: real or fake news?

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Two days ago, MSFTtm on twitter announced the compilation of 2 new Win8 builds :

http://twitter.com/#!/MSFTtm

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6.2.8005.winmain.110512-1726

6.2.8006.0.winmain.110513-1855

At that time, many people doubted on this news, and regarded it to be a fake news drawing attention. However, a little while ago, Neowin news quoted on this MSFTtm release, hinting that they, to a certain extent, believe it could be real :

https://www.neowin.net/news/windows-8-build-8005-compiled

Not just that, at the comments colume, Tom Warren seems to accept the compilation as real, although atm he has not made a announcement in Winrumors:

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Looking back at the MSFTtm column, the other earlier release on build strings was 7996; and this build has been generally accepted as real - this build is easier to confirm(compared to the MS-inside-lab builds) since according to centrumXP.pl and 3DNEWS.ru, the build was released to "developers" out of MS on Apr. 29.

Now, the interesting point is, after the silence of Zukona, the world doesn't have a reliable source of win8 development inside MS, and if this MSFTtm source is proved to be reliable, then it would be a big relief to the geeks with a win8-news-hunger.

At this time, when we all are anxious to know when win8 will reach beta stage, a reliable release on the latest build string compiled would truly satisfy people's desire.

We all understand from the Zukona incident that any leak info from within MS is a high risk to the leaker, they certainly would take the highest precautions and remain discreet, and is probably too much to ask them to provide concrete evidence----

so, is this MSFTtm our next reliable source? May be only time can tell.

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The 6.2.8005.winmain.110512-1726 torrent from over the weekend was fake.

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Something from Intel, but I don't wish to start too many threads:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/05/18/james_on_arm_and_windows/

Intel: Windows on ARM won't run 'legacy apps'

By Rik Myslewski in Santa Clara ?

Posted in Operating Systems, 18th May 2011 03:40 GMT

Microsoft may be porting Windows 8 to the ARM architecture, but the general manager of Intel's software and services group insists she's not losing any sleep over a bruising battle in a more-competitive arena. At least when it comes to PCs.

Speaking on Tuesday at Intel's Investor Meeting 2011 in Santa Clara, California, Ren?e James pointed out that the next version of Windows ? popularly known as Windows 8 ? will be available in versions for both x86 and ARM. There will be a "Windows 8 traditional", she said, that will run on x86 chips and handle "legacy applications", meaning existing x86-based Windows apps, and there will be a separate version of the OS that runs on ARM. Windows 8 traditional, she explained, will include a "Windows 7 mode".

"[Windows 8 traditional] means that our customers, or anyone who has an Intel-based or an x86-based product, will be able to run either Windows 7 mode or Windows 8 mode," she said. "They'll run all of their old applications, all of their old files ? there'll be no issue."

Not so with the ARMy flavor of Windows 8. "On ARM, there'll be the new experience, which is very specifically around the mobile experience, specifically around tablet and some limited clamshell, with no legacy OS," she said. "Our competitors will not be running legacy applications. Not now. Not ever."

Intel will have a distinct advantage, said James. "We will also be able to run that [new] experience. So for an Intel user, we'll kind of have the best of both worlds. So we think we're extraordinarily well-positioned in Windows 8."

James also reminded her audience that Intel and Microsoft are closely intertwined. "We've been working with Microsoft on Windows for probably 20 years, this year. We've been their partner for a long time ? everybody writes about it, everybody talks about it," she said.

"But what you may not know," she continued, "is that we have an on-site development team in Redmond that actually works deep inside the OS to make sure that the platforms, and the features, and the new instructions ? whatever new thing we're inventing ? is ready to go at the time of introduction of the latest Microsoft environment."

James is bullish on Windows 8. "We've been working for the last couple of years ? very, very focused ? on Windows 8," she said. "I'm very excited about it. We've been working on it for a long time. There's a lot of exciting new features and things about it that I think are going to be great for users, great for the PC and tablet industry."

One major reason why James believes that Intel is not threatened by Windows 8 on ARM is the fact that x86 apps and services will work across mutilple platforms, from pocketable devices to smart TVs to notebooks to PCs to servers.

"Intel has a unified architecture," she said. "What that means is that applications and operating systems can run from one generation of Intel platform to the next generation, and the same applications are going to run, forward- and backward-compatible.

"You can run the same application between different versions of our architecture ? between Atom, between Xeon, between Core ? which is not the case for our competitors in the ARM ecosystem."

Intel is unified, James said, but ARM is Balkanized. "Windows 8 for x86 will run legacy, Windows 8 for x86 will run SoC." In the ARM-based world, she said, things won't be as simple. "There will be four Windows 8 SoCs for ARM. Each one will run for that specific ARM environment, and they will run new applications or cloud-based applications.

"They are neither forward- nor backward-compatible between their own architecture ? different generations of a single vendor ? nor are they compatible across different vendors. Each one is a unique stack," she added.

What's more, James is not at all convinced that users will flock to an ARM-based, non-legacy PC experience. "People do not change their usage models that frequently," she said. "We've done a lot of studies ? you go back and you look, and on average it's about 10 years between people changing their usage patterns.

"So even though we see a huge change in the way people are using applications from the cloud, there's still a long tail on legacy ? something that's uniquely a value proposition from Intel."

Of course, one could argue that a smartphone or tablet is most assuredly a new usage model, but James believes that the interconnectedness of a broad range of devices all speaking the same language ? x86 ? will assure Intel's dominance in a world invaded by ARM devices running Windows 8 without legacy-app support.

"For the client," she said, "compatibility and legacy, we think, is a very important value proposition, certainly in the enterprise for IT managers, and also for consumers for probably a significant number of years into the future."

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I really don't understand as to why someone would think Tom W as a good source.

He never was, some time ago he claimed a "find" on build 7850 that win8 will support facial recognition, actually his "evidence" was based on set-up of proximity sensors, which is a totally different thing. LOL.

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Not just that, at the comments colume, Tom Warren seems to accept the compilation as real,

OMG! Tom accepts it real!! SNAP!! It must be real then!

/sarcasm off

Honestly who gives a rats ass what Tom thinks

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He never was, some time ago he claimed a "find" on build 7850 that win8 will support facial recognition, actually his "evidence" was based on set-up of proximity sensors, which is a totally different thing. LOL.

The article was a rumor, hence WinRumors...most information on Windows 8 is rumored at the moment as Microsoft can cut features at any point.

http://www.winrumors.com/microsofts-kinect-integration-spotted-inside-windows-8/

Not sure what your problem is with ME and why you have to post here and at MDL slagging me off...? If you look back at my history of news post at Neowin when I used to be Editor-in-Chief over a span of 10 years then you'll see I posted a number of Microsoft exclusive news posts, one that got Neowin on Sky News TV and another that saw us interviewed on BBC News TV twice.

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The article was a rumor, hence WinRumors...most information on Windows 8 is rumored at the moment as Microsoft can cut features at any point.

http://www.winrumors.com/microsofts-kinect-integration-spotted-inside-windows-8/

Not sure what your problem is with ME and why you have to post here and at MDL slagging me off...? If you look back at my history of news post at Neowin when I used to be Editor-in-Chief over a span of 10 years then you'll see I posted a number of Microsoft exclusive news posts, one that got Neowin on Sky News TV and another that saw us interviewed on BBC News TV twice.

I didn't realize you do take my posts seriously, I read winrumors from time to time meaning I do have certain faith in your articles, from now on I'll leave you alone and ...no offence Mr. W. :laugh:

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Windows 8 Milestone First beta for September 2011?

http://www.ihelplounge.com/ihelplounge/2011/02/windows-8-milestone-first-beta-for-september-2011.html#axzz1MgaGOj33

If you look back at my history of news post at Neowin when I used to be Editor-in-Chief over a span of 10 years then you'll see I posted a number of Microsoft exclusive news posts, one that got Neowin on Sky News TV and another that saw us interviewed on BBC News TV twice.

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I didn't realize you do take my posts seriously, I read winrumors from time to time meaning I do have certain faith in your articles, from now on I'll leave you alone and ...no offence Mr. W. :laugh:

Thanks, no offense taken :)

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I would like to point out that currently MSFTtm has 181 followers, among them are some well-known leak addicts.

So it seems people are accepting this source, if not totally reliable like zukona, at lease to a certain extend reliable enough to be a reference.

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I didn't realize you do take my posts seriously, I read winrumors from time to time meaning I do have certain faith in your articles, from now on I'll leave you alone and ...no offence Mr. W. :laugh:

watch out of banhammer :p

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It came last night on the web of "some-one" downloading 7971 x64 from "a private FTP", there is no proof supporting if the screen-shot is legit.

Please don't ask or PM me, it is against forum rules, you just have to do your own search. :rolleyes:

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winfuture.de showed 9 "iphone explorer" images

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This is the first image, enlarged

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However, I am unable to find any article related to these screen-shots :wacko:

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i am zukona ... wait .. nvm

why not wait for the beta, and even then people will whine and bitch about this prog not working and this driver not good and omg and ftgwertqfmdotpgalskzixf this 8 is crap and going back to xp

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winfuture.de showed 9 "iphone explorer" images

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However, I am unable to find any article related to these screen-shots :wacko:

Those screenshots have nothing to do whatsoever with Windows 8. They're from a third party product.

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winfuture.de showed 9 "iphone explorer" images

*sniped*

However, I am unable to find any article related to these screen-shots :wacko:

what does that have to do with win8?

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MSFTtm on twitter had just posted another win8 new build string:

6.2.8011.0.winmain.110520-1745

However, according to canouna's statement on MDL, he claims that this is just a "home-made" build string

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So, if what canouna said is true, and what he says is generally reliable, this build string is fake, and the previously posted build strings of 8005 and 8006 by MSFTtm my be fake too.

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canouna on MDL had confirmed this MSFTtm is a faker,

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So I would say the latest reliable build string is:

6.2.7984.0.fbl_system_licensing.110414-1750

There might be builds 7996/8005/8006/8011 compiled, but as of now the build strings posted by MSFTtm are not reliable.

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