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#31 Dot Matrix

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 13:49

If you have been using/relying on it since Windows 95, you will feel that it's missing (that is, the Start button on the taskbar). It takes time to adjust to.

I personally don't like how it covers the whole screen. For a tablet PC, it's great, but for a desktop user, it's just eye candy, and not actually useful (ie. doesn't do more than the traditional more-compact Start menu).


It's more than eye candy. At the press of a button, I'm taken to a page where I can see my calendar, news updates, weather updates, social updates, etc. I love leaving the Start Screen open while I walk away, it has certainly got the attention of my room mates who are always asking about it.

I agree, but there will always be desktop-only users, who like using the traditional Start menu - why can't Microsoft make it optional?

I also agree with having a consistent UI across devices.

So I guess that makes my opinion neutral (non-biased)!


Always be? No. If you want to know why it's not "optional", it's this:

- Destroys the purpose of Windows 8, and the "re-imagining" of Windows.
- Destroys the uniformity of platforms.
- Creates a ****ty UX to support.

Plus, we have had an actual Microsoft employee on here (no, NOT me), explain that dragging out the code just wasn't working out. The menu wasn't removed on a whim. It just didn't support what Microsoft wanted to do.


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Posted 16 November 2012 - 13:51

I don't want the start menu back in 8, but I definitely think the majority would want it back if you swapped their Win 7 PC for a Win 8 PC

The majority of people who own a PC in the world are not tech savvy, they want a PC that lets them use facebook, messenger and emails, store/print their photos and the odd game, they don't want to be flung into a whole new world of tiles and have to learn how to use their PC all over again

We (The tech heads) are the minority

That is all true, and it's something that irritates me (as a software developer and designer) yet also something I have to accept and understand. I feel the average user's aversion to change could be harming innovation; either that, or it could have the potential to harm innovation if companies like Microsoft and Facebook listen to all of their complaints.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 13:51

It sounds to me as if that writer, and the writer of the report it's based off, have no idea what they're talking about. But I could be wrong :)


T me the actual article and the quotes in it read as
"The start button and menu is NEVER coming back"

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 13:53

I've been using Windows since 3.1, I think I stopped using the start menu in XP, even back then I pinned the things I needed to the taskbar, or built a faux index through a folder and shortcuts.

Windows applications have always had a terrible habit of dumping everything into a start menu folder,unfortunately that's still true with the start screen. It would be nice if there were some requirement to clean up what's left after an install... you don't see a pile of icons and documents after installing something in OSX or Ubuntu.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 13:54

That is all true, and it's something that irritates me (as a software developer and designer) yet also something I have to accept and understand. I feel the average user's aversion to change could be harming innovation; either that, or it could have the potential to harm innovation if companies like Microsoft and Facebook listen to all of their complaints.


Actually in my experience, the lack of a start button/menu seems to only be an issue with the tech savvy crowd. the average/dumb user on the other hand takes to the start screen intuitively right away.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 13:56

I don't want the start menu back in 8, but I definitely think the majority would want it back if you swapped their Win 7 PC for a Win 8 PC

The majority of people who own a PC in the world are not tech savvy, they want a PC that lets them use facebook, messenger and emails, store/print their photos and the odd game, they don't want to be flung into a whole new world of tiles and have to learn how to use their PC all over again

We (The tech heads) are the minority


Conversely, they can do most of everything they do ONLY in tiles, and never have to see the confusing world of the desktop. I would love to update my Grandfather's computer to Windows 8, because "here's e-mail, here's the internet, here's solitaire" is about all he can handle.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 13:57

Actually in my experience, the lack of a start button/menu seems to only be an issue with the tech savvy crowd. the average/dumb user on the other hand takes to the start screen intuitively right away.


Yes, because most young kids just love their 'Fisher Price' toys, and the start screen makes them feel right at home.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 13:59

As much as I would be infinitely happier if they did bring the start menu back, it's not going to happen. Aside from anything else, the third party options do a good enough job, so why should Microsoft bother?


because businesses don't want to use a 3rd party app that may break if microsoft releases a windows update. Their staff would be pulling their hair out trying to figure out how to use the start screen for the first time.

I believe the start screen was created solely to get people to buy from the app store, that is why microsoft is refusing to allow people to use the start menu.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 13:59

No. It's because a lot of what they say doesn't make sense and they don't appear to have researched/found out the reasons for its removal.


For some people, perhaps, but it didn't take me any time to adjust :)

I personally do not agree with the "research".

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 13:59

Change is good, but when you're constantly trying to click a part of the screen that you've clicked for the past 18 years, its quite a hard habit to get out of ;)

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 14:00

sounds like a puff piece for Stardock

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 14:03

I don't know. I am using Start8 the last time I switched over to the start screen was pretty much when I first installed Windows 8 because I wanted to play with everything but after having it for a week or so I have spent 90% of my time on the desktop.


Tyler - I spend about that much time on the desktop as well - and that's with some ModernUI/RT apps, such as MetroTwit, but no third-party Start Screen alternatives.

The reality that I can do so, while others cannot, simply means that we are different in terms of usage style - not that one is necessarily *right* or *wrong*.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 14:03

Conversely, they can do most of everything they do ONLY in tiles, and never have to see the confusing world of the desktop. I would love to update my Grandfather's computer to Windows 8, because "here's e-mail, here's the internet, here's solitaire" is about all he can handle.


I think if you got 2 average joes, one who had never used a PC before and one who was used to using Windows 7

I think person who had never used a PC before would feel much more comfortable with 8 once they found the invisible start button vs trying to learn how to navigate Windows 7's start menu

Whereas the person who was used to using 7 would find it much more difficult to adjust to not having the start menu and having to learn the new start screen


I thought I could train my brain to see the new start screen as a big start menu, but it didn't work out like that, it is a separate OS to me, I see it and treat it as its own life-form and have had to learn it as something other than Windows

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 14:03

I don't know. I am using Start8 the last time I switched over to the start screen was pretty much when I first installed Windows 8 because I wanted to play with everything but after having it for a week or so I have spent 90% of my time on the desktop.


Tyler - I spend about that much time on the desktop as well - and that's with some ModernUI/RT apps, such as MetroTwit, but no third-party Start Screen alternatives.

The reality that I can do so, while others cannot, simply means that we are different in terms of usage style - not that one is necessarily *right* or *wrong*.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 14:07

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