win8 Microsoft Could Launch a Start Menu Option in Windows 8

[-T- Member]

From skimming through this thread, I've come to the conclusion that I may be the on,y person that uses the start key on his keyboard to access the start screen. I don't think I've clicked a corner or start orb for years. My usual usage is, Winkey, then type what I need. It's been like that since vista

[Growled Member]

Steven Sinofsky is no longer head of the Windows division and more and more voices familiar with matter are hinting that a Start Menu option could, after all, land on Windows 8 platforms.

I suspect it will come back now. A week ago I would have said the start menu option was dead in the water but a week ago I would have placed every dime of my money on a bet against Sinofsky leaving Microsoft.

[scaramonga]

Seems like the OS works perfectly fine to me. Completely usable.

I think you're looking for opinionated words like 'unconventional', 'inconvenient', maybe 'troublesome', etc...

For you my friend, for you. I understand that you adore this way of working buddy, that is great, honestly! Nothing wrong with that at all, no way, but what is completely 'usable' to yourself, might just not be to 'others'?, including myself. :)

What is wrong with that? Is that unconventional, inconvenient, and maybe troublesome all round? Now that is the question? ;)

[Shane Nokes]

1. Wall of text...please fix it.

OCD much

2. They didn't talk about it like it was so much code. They had made some serious changes to the OS, and the older start wasn't able to handle some of the changes they made. Their telemetry data was able to tell them how often the start button was actually used. So looking at that data they knew it wasn't really being used, and they already had the start screen ready.

if no one was using it then why put a bigger one that I don't need to use and if I wanted all my icons on the screen Fences is great for that just doble click and they disapear, you don't need the start screen

You should read some of the earlier posts...in particular the post that links to an explanation from one of the folks that worked on OS. It has all this info and more. The reasons for removal were valid.

and if you take out animations, transicions, transparency, and graphics the os will become faster, that's pretty valid to me to make a text OS

Oh, and yeah...they didn't take out Aero. They took out Glass on the frames...but Glass is still present on the taskbar...and Aero is still the primary theme, but with some changes made for Windows 8.

So again...please don't post up something like this without at least checking what you're saying.

really they took out what made Aero Aero without the glass effect guess what it is called "Classic"

1. Nope. It's called being considerate towards people who are going to read your text. People can read things more easily with proper formatting. Not doing that shows contempt and disregard for yourself and potential readers. If you can't take the time to care about what you're presenting...why should they?

2. Evidently I was wrong in point 1 about making it easier to read if the text is well formatted. The point was that people weren't using the start button. That's why that was deprecated. The start menu had issues that were going to take a lot of work to resolve because of other core OS changes. I won't keep repeating this though since it's apparent you don't care.

3. Hmm actually it seems like you have no intention to discuss this. I was reading your post point by point while replying...and I won't waste further time replying to you on this...unless you indicate you actually want to have an honest discussion and not just troll.

From skimming through this thread, I've come to the conclusion that I may be the on,y person that uses the start key on his keyboard to access the start screen. I don't think I've clicked a corner or start orb for years. My usual usage is, Winkey, then type what I need. It's been like that since vista

Actually I use mine all the time, and so do most folks that I know. It seems like it's the people who are resistant to change who don't use it...and since the keyboards have had the WinKey on them for over a decade now it makes sense that they wouldn't want to use it...since back in Windows 95 days most keyboards didn't have that on there.

I suspect it will come back now. A week ago I would have said the start menu option was dead in the water but a week ago I would have placed every dime of my money on a bet against Sinofsky leaving Microsoft.

Considering JL-G is in charge? Nope.

[scaramonga]

I also prefer my 'favourites' hidden, and where they should be, in my browser lol, and certainly not on my desktop!

You been taking 'e' s lol :D

[Superboy]

1. Nope. It's called being considerate towards people who are going to read your text. People can read things more easily with proper formatting. Not doing that shows contempt and disregard for yourself and potential readers. If you can't take the time to care about what you're presenting...why should they?

Sorry it's called OCD no one said anythig about it but you, but it's actually weird that you don't OCD about the start screen when it's nothing but a mess of a wall of tiles go figure.

2. Evidently I was wrong in point 1 about making it easier to read if the text is well formatted. The point was that people weren't using the start button. That's why that was deprecated. The start menu had issues that were going to take a lot of work to resolve because of other core OS changes. I won't keep repeating this though since it's apparent you don't care.

oviously it wasn't that difficult to keep it. We already have plenty of third party software doing it so I find it difficult to belive that microsoft a multibillion dollar company can't do it.

3. Hmm actually it seems like you have no intention to discuss this. I was reading your post point by point while replying...and I won't waste further time replying to you on this...unless you indicate you actually want to have an honest discussion and not just troll.

A troll??? just because I don't have the same point of view and I point out some inconsistenciesof the OS.

You still haven't answered why do they keep all the duplicate programs on the desktop since they want to make a lean OS, and why they don't give a choice

and for that I'm a troll :o lol

[Athernar]

You tell me. All my icons are organized into groups on the Start Screen. My desktop is as clean as it can be. :D

So you've basically taken what people used to do with the old 9x style start menus, create folders for a task/purpose and group all the relevant shortcuts inside. And you've applied it to the start screen.

That's not progress, that's regression. Search exists for a reason. And honestly, how on earth is that favourites section even useful.

[TCA]

man DM wtf is up with all the IE stuff....? that is a bit messy, do you actually go to every single site that's pinned? I only, have the top 4 I go to most...leaving the others in the browser. See....

Not having the start button isn't all that bad, but there are still times I get annoyed that there isn't one. I have contemplated going back to W7, I don't want to go through the headache of getting everything set back up so. I'm sticking to windows 8. Besides I let my mum try it out since she not good with comp's, she likes that it's easier for her to get to things instead of me having to do it for her.

[Albert]

well gee and fornicate me sideway. from the neowin win egg fanboys' forceful reaction before its launch. i thought start menu was not needed whatsoever at all. /s

[scaramonga]

man DM wtf is up with all the IE stuff....? that is a bit messy, do you actually go to every single site that's pinned? I only, have the top 4 I go to most...leaving the others in the browser. See....

Not having the start button isn't all that bad, but there are still times I get annoyed that there isn't one. I have contemplated going back to W7, I don't want to go through the headache of getting everything set back up so. I'm sticking to windows 8. Besides I let my mum try it out since she not good with comp's, she likes that it's easier for her to get to things instead of me having to do it for her.

****, stop it! your scaring us.

[Mohitster]

As much as I have tried, I still haven't gotten used to Start screen after more than a year of use! :/

[scaramonga]

God, that Fisher Price stuff just gets to me, sorry.

[nekrosoft13]

I really hope they don't bring back the start menu, the start screen is fine, and using metro apps with a start menu would be an even bigger clusterfeck

no it wouldn't be, bring back the start menu, PEOPLE WANT CHOICE

[scaramonga]

no it wouldn't be, bring back the start menu, PEOPLE WANT CHOICE

+1 Well put indeed :)

[Athernar]

no it wouldn't be, bring back the start menu, PEOPLE WANT CHOICE

Can we stop focusing on the Start Menu specifically.

I'm willing to bet 90% of the complaints would go away if they added a simple replacement, it doesn't need to be the old start menu. Just a small menu/window with a search box and a couple of "essential" shortcuts. (CPanel etc.)

That would let desktop people use the desktop in peace, the mobile device users can flip between whatever suits the situation and the fanboys can live in Metro and waste their meaningless lives obsessing over their Faycebewk tiles and fawning over images of Sinofsky as usual.

[chrisj1968]

I really hope they don't bring back the start menu, the start screen is fine, and using metro apps with a start menu would be an even bigger clusterfeck

Wrong! move mouse pointer to upper right, bingo! we have the modern UI. why is it so bad to give people what they want or might want? This reminds me of UBISOFT and the ghost recon franchise. we have been wanting the tactical squad based shooter revived but all we get are cinematic, linear trash games and now GR is on the level of Call of duty.

you don't want loyal customers?don't give them what they want. I never or very seldom use modern UI in 8.

Added***. As with all things everyone has their own agenda, this area as well.So we got Modern UI in windows, who's to say the next leader of windows designs something and the modern UI for 8 is out the window?

First Vista's UI was changed with 7, 7 gets changed with 8, 8 will more than likely get changed by 9.... MS hasn't grasped sticking with anything except the start menu. I'm under the impression that MS is somewhat schizophrenic when it comes to UI's and designing the OS overall. wasn't the last head of windows, there when they made 7 and Vista?

A guy could get a freaking headache from all this nonsense :wacko:

Edited November 17, 2012 by ChrisJ1968

[Dot Matrix]

I also prefer my 'favourites' hidden, and where they should be, in my browser lol, and certainly not on my desktop!

You been taking 'e' s lol :D

Start =/= Desktop.

man DM wtf is up with all the IE stuff....? that is a bit messy, do you actually go to every single site that's pinned? I only, have the top 4 I go to most...leaving the others in the browser. See....

More or less. I'm planning to clean up a few later on.

Wrong! move mouse pointer to upper right, bingo! we have the modern UI. why is it so bad to give people what they want or might want? This reminds me of UBISOFT and the ghost recon franchise. we have been wanting the tactical squad based shooter revived but all we get are cinematic, linear trash games and now GR is on the level of Call of duty.

you don't want loyal customers?don't give them what they want. I never or very seldom use modern UI in 8.

Added***. As with all things everyone has their own agenda, this area as well.So we got Modern UI in windows, who's to say the next leader of windows designs something and the modern UI for 8 is out the window?

First Vista's UI was changed with 7, 7 gets changed with 8, 8 will more than likely get changed by 9.... MS hasn't grasped sticking with anything except the start menu. I'm under the impression that MS is somewhat schizophrenic when it comes to UI's and designing the OS overall. wasn't the last head of windows, there when they made 7 and Vista?

A guy could get a freaking headache from all this nonsense :wacko:

So far the only people crying over the decrepit Start Menu are a few techies. A vocal minority who will cry very loudly.

If anything Start will be streamlined in Windows 9, as JL-G is now heading the division. She worked with Sinofsky to develop the Metro UI. So, no, it's not going away.

There just isn't anyway the old menu is coming back at all. It doesn't make sense in the slightest to bring it back. You move computing forward, not back.

[Dot Matrix]

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[enc_MAYhem]

I really hope they don't.. now when i am used to the metro ui or whatever its called i dont want to move back! the search and metro ui is so much better.

[Dot Matrix]

Derp Matrix at it again, I see. Yet, no comment from him on the low sales of Windows 8. Oh wait, "Microsoft doesn?t comment on rumors or speculation." Pathetic.

Low OEM sales? Nothing new there. Not an indication of anything. It's just before the holidays.

Not sure why you keep slamming me, but Start is here, and not going anywhere. It's pretty obvious you guys aren't designers or developers. The Metro UI will be improved upon for Windows 9. That's how things go.

[@Leo]

It's pretty obvious you guys aren't designers or developers.

Indeed, the abomination known as Metro is a result of developers thinking they are designers.

[Shane Nokes]

We don't care what you think, buddy.

You took the time to say that, so obviously you care a little.

[TheLegendOfMart]

Not sure why you keep slamming me, but Start is here, and not going anywhere. It's pretty obvious you guys aren't designers or developers. The Metro UI will be improved upon for Windows 9. That's how things go.

I'm a web/graphic designer actually and I think Modern UI is crap.

[xplode-team]

Let me present a scenario: Graphic designer works on a very detailed graphic which require his attention, he needs an additional app for something

a) In Windows 7 he opens the small (start) menu find what he need and continue his work with as small as possible distraction.

b) In Windows 8 he opens the colorful full screen menu which completely distract him from his work.

How Metro UI will be non-distractive?

Why Microsoft try to force the new UI on their customers?

Microsoft could made the finishing of the setup wizard with user input of selecting UI with or without start menu, it is not that hard as they already have 99% of everything needed.

[Shane Nokes]

Let me present a scenario: Graphic designer works on a very detailed graphic which require his attention, he needs an additional app for something

a) In Windows 7 he opens the small (start) menu find what he need and continue his work with as small as possible distraction.

b) In Windows 8 he opens the colorful full screen menu which completely distract him from his work.

How Metro UI will be non-distractive?

Why Microsoft try to force the new UI on their customers?

Microsoft could made the finishing of the setup wizard with user input of selecting UI with or without start menu, it is not that hard as they already have 99% of everything needed.

The reason for this has already been posted at least twice in this thread. It wasn't a random removal.

Will everyone stop posting about how easy this is until after you read the post from Brandon about this.