Why are people so confused on Win8?

[DDStriker]

Should be easy enough to disable metro if you don't want it i don't believe people are confused like op suggests maybe a handful but not the general population

also to thsoe being anal retentive about a user using the word "we" cut it out there is obviously more than one person who doesn't care for metro and he's responding to the ops statement of "why are people confused on the matter" he's speaking for those the op is referring to and is more than welcome to do so if it's not your view that's fine no need to be pedantic about it

[cork1958]

I am not confused at all about Win8. At this point in time I just do not give a darn.

+1 and whole bunch more!!

[cropcircles]

windows 8 is going to be a universal support OS on most platforms including now confirmed ARM. That is it, there may be slight differences between PCs, tablets and possibly mobile devices. what people are getting confused about is why the UI is more focused towards the mobile world and leaving the PC guys behind.

This + I can see being a PC desktop guy how this would be more of an all around universal OS for tablets and mobile devices. I just got my daughter a Asus tablet with Honeycomb running. It would be cool to see how W8 would work on it. What about us old school desktop guys. Whats the advantage for us with W8 compared to W7. I installed W8 developers edition and to be honest, I didn't get it. I had to sign into my hotmail/Live account to access the desktop and then I had that rummy looking shopping cart squares in front of my mug mostly pushing MS. I don't want that crap. Just like google MS trying to invade into people privacy more and control where you go. Just want my desktop so I can do what I want. What am I missing.

[pack34]

This + I can see being a PC desktop guy how this would be more of an all around universal OS for tablets and mobile devices. I just got my daughter a Asus tablet with Honeycomb running. It would be cool to see how W8 would work on it. What about us old school desktop guys. Whats the advantage for us with W8 compared to W7. I installed W8 developers edition and to be honest, I didn't get it. I had to sign into my hotmail/Live account to access the desktop and then I had that rummy looking shopping cart squares in front of my mug mostly pushing MS. I don't want that crap. Just like google MS trying to invade into people privacy more and control where you go. Just want my desktop so I can do what I want. What am I missing.

Your log-in is tied to your live-id so your settings follow you when you log into another computer. There will be more customization options in the consumer preview and it'll be more friendly to keyboard and mouse.

[ExchangeAdm]

I have a feeling that Windows 8 will be another Windows ME / Vista fiasco.

[TAZMINATOR]

If you have Metro on your tablet, that is fine but don't forget that Win 8 has two modes on your tablet which are: Metro and Desktop.

For example: You have Windows 7 or 8 on your desktop at home and you have Windows 8 on your tablet.

You have gone to hotel for work or pleasure with your tablet. You can switch to desktop mode on your tablet for remote desktop to access your home computer. Simple.

If you do not like Metro version, then you can always turn that off. I am sure they will add an option to allow us to enable or disable the Metro mode in the final version. Probably in pre-release versions. If you are on developer preview, then you can tweak it to disable Metro. There is tweak info on the internet and on this forum somewhere.

[adam.mt]

The answer is no. There will be no third party applications on desktop ARM. If you want third party desktop apps then you want an x86 device.

I'm not sure that's right, else there would be little point in the 'desktop' being made available for WOA. I know 'desktop apps' will be discouraged and Metro pushed to the front, but I don't think Microsoft will actually be stopping a software developer from making a 'desktop app' that runs on WOA. Unless you have evidence for otherwise?

[Stoffel]

If you have Metro on your tablet, that is fine but don't forget that Win 8 has two modes on your tablet which are: Metro and Desktop.

For example: You have Windows 7 or 8 on your desktop at home and you have Windows 8 on your tablet.

You have gone to hotel for work or pleasure with your tablet. You can switch to desktop mode on your tablet for remote desktop to access your home computer. Simple.

If you do not like Metro version, then you can always turn that off. I am sure they will add an option to allow us to enable or disable the Metro mode in the final version. Probably in pre-release versions. If you are on developer preview, then you can tweak it to disable Metro. There is tweak info on the internet and on this forum somewhere.

I'm pretty sure MS will NOT give us an option to turn of Metro.

Why would they give us that switch? It would mean everybody turns metro off before they give it a chance because it's a change of what they are used to.

As a consequence of that nobody will make Metro apps, so that would go against the whole idea of Win 8

I'm not sure that's right, else there would be little point in the 'desktop' being made available for WOA. I know 'desktop apps' will be discouraged and Metro pushed to the front, but I don't think Microsoft will actually be stopping a software developer from making a 'desktop app' that runs on WOA. Unless you have evidence for otherwise?

Read the full article from the Building Windows 8 blog site about WOA, they state there that there will be no desktop apps for WOA except for Office 15 IE 10 and windows explorer

[Dot Matrix]

I'm pretty sure MS will NOT give us an option to turn of Metro.

Why would they give us that switch? It would mean everybody turns metro off before they give it a chance because it's a change of what they are used to.

As a consequence of that nobody will make Metro apps, so that would go against the whole idea of Win 8

Read the full article from the Building Windows 8 blog site about WOA, they state there that there will be no desktop apps for WOA except for Office 15 IE 10 and windows explorer

No, but that's not stopping developers from porting their desktop apps over to ARM.

[Stoffel]

No, but that's not stopping developers from porting their desktop apps over to ARM.

I might not understand it correctly, but i believe they mean there will be no desktop apps on ARM other then the ones MS gives you

They will just not let you install them

But i might be wrong

[TAZMINATOR]

I'm pretty sure MS will NOT give us an option to turn of Metro.

Why would they give us that switch? It would mean everybody turns metro off before they give it a chance because it's a change of what they are used to.

As a consequence of that nobody will make Metro apps, so that would go against the whole idea of Win 8

Microsoft isn't thinking. Because some of us users who have desktops with multi-monitors setups. I want desktop version of Windows for this. Such as video editing, graphic designing.. the tablets are too small for my work usages. I can use tablet for web surfing, email, you know?

If Microsoft is not giving us the option to switch, then we will be switching back to Windows 7 and wait for Windwos 9 or change to Linux or get an iMac. And Microsoft will lose their customers to someone else such as Apple, Linux.

Microsoft should have seperated OS modes.. I mean they should allow us to choose one of the two versions of Windows... for example: Windows Metro for tablets only. Windows 8 for desktops only such as dell desktops, custom built desktops, etc.

Think about it.

[capr]

people don't want change... as much as they may say they like and want change, they are resistant to it. pick anything thing new. you will find tons of people hating it before it arrives and tons more hating it once it arrives. a year or two later, you will see that people love the now old thing and are hating the next new thing.

[Stoffel]

Microsoft isn't thinking. Because some of us users who have desktops with multi-monitors setups. I want desktop version of Windows for this. Such as video editing, graphic designing.. the tablets are too small for my work usages. I can use tablet for web surfing, email, you know?

If Microsoft is not giving us the option to switch, then we will be switching back to Windows 7 and wait for Windwos 9 or change to Linux or get an iMac. And Microsoft will lose their customers to someone else such as Apple, Linux.

Microsoft should have seperated OS modes.. I mean they should allow us to choose one of the two versions of Windows... for example: Windows Metro for tablets only. Windows 8 for desktops only such as dell desktops, custom built desktops, etc.

Think about it.

I don't understand your complaint.

On a desktop computer you will have the metro start screen from which you can start all your metro and desktop apps, and you can use the start screen to search.

Other then that you have your desktop where you also have the option to launch all your normal day to day desktop apps.

If you have more then one monitor, you will always have one that will start up with the metro start screen the other one will have the desktop.

What is so bad about having all the options right there in front of you????

You clearly belong to the group of people who don't understand Win8 yet

Explain :)

[Dot Matrix]

Microsoft isn't thinking. Because some of us users who have desktops with multi-monitors setups. I want desktop version of Windows for this. Such as video editing, graphic designing.. the tablets are too small for my work usages. I can use tablet for web surfing, email, you know?

If Microsoft is not giving us the option to switch, then we will be switching back to Windows 7 and wait for Windwos 9 or change to Linux or get an iMac. And Microsoft will lose their customers to someone else such as Apple, Linux.

Microsoft should have seperated OS modes.. I mean they should allow us to choose one of the two versions of Windows... for example: Windows Metro for tablets only. Windows 8 for desktops only such as dell desktops, custom built desktops, etc.

Think about it.

You can still use Windows 8 with multiple monitors. Metro will only appear on the main display.

[TAZMINATOR]

I don't understand your complaint.

On a desktop computer you will have the metro start screen from which you can start all your metro and desktop apps, and you can use the start screen to search.

Other then that you have your desktop where you also have the option to launch all your normal day to day desktop apps.

If you have more then one monitor, you will always have one that will start up with the metro start screen the other one will have the desktop.

What is so bad about having all the options right there in front of you????

You clearly belong to the group of people who don't understand Win8 yet

Explain :)

You don't get it. You said, in previous post, that said "I'm pretty sure MS will NOT give us an option to turn of Metro."

I wasn't complaining, I was explaining to you which Microsoft isn't thinking about desktop users for heavy work such as video editing, graphic designing. I know how Windows 8/metro works and I know there is one screen on main display but I don't want metro screen on 1 monitor while I have desktop screen on rest of the monitors.. it's stupid which I have tried. Which is why I said before, Microsoft should have added an option to enable or disable the Metro screen.

You can still use Windows 8 with multiple monitors. Metro will only appear on the main display.

Like I said, it's stupid. Looks funny. It's fine for those people who have ONE monitor. Not for those people who have multi-monitors setups.

I prefer taskbar goes across the monitors. And an app sits on taskbar on that specific monitor. For example, you have outlook, it show outlook icon on taskbar on monitor 1, IE icon on monitor 2's taskbar. you know what I am saying?

Tablets can have both modes of Windows that is fine which desktop mode can be used for remote desktop, desktop apps, etc.

[Stoffel]

You don't get it. You said, in previous post, that said "I'm pretty sure MS will NOT give us an option to turn of Metro."

I wasn't complaining, I was explaining to you which Microsoft isn't thinking about desktop users for heavy work such as video editing, graphic designing. I know how Windows 8/metro works and I know there is one screen on main display but I don't want metro screen on 1 monitor while I have desktop screen on rest of the monitors.. it's stupid which I have tried. Which is why I said before, Microsoft should have added an option to enable or disable the Metro screen.

Like I said, it's stupid. Looks funny. It's fine for those people who have ONE monitor. Not for those people who have multi-monitors setups.

I prefer taskbar goes across the monitors. And an app sits on taskbar on that specific monitor. For example, you have outlook, it show outlook icon on taskbar on monitor 1, IE icon on monitor 2's taskbar. you know what I am saying?

Tablets can have both modes of Windows that is fine which desktop mode can be used for remote desktop, desktop apps, etc.

If MS would let you turn of the Metro start screen then they have to maintain two start menus, 2 different search options, .... 2 of everything

So they will not let you turn it off. Which doesn't mean that if you are a desktop user you need to come in touch with the Metro side of Windows to much.

Only for search and maybe to odd Metro app you want to launch.

All the other multi monitor extras you are describing will be possible with win8 as far as I know.

I still think it's strange not more people see the benefit of writing apps for metro. You write it once and it will work on Win8, WOA, and probably WP8 and XBOX

That is a huge market to target with only one app

[cropcircles]

Your log-in is tied to your live-id so your settings follow you when you log into another computer. There will be more customization options in the consumer preview and it'll be more friendly to keyboard and mouse.

Thank You. Why am I required to sign in to access my desktop. Will this be there for Beta or RTM. Is there an option to boot up right to my desktop bypassing the sign in and MS Window Speed Dial thingy.

[Shaun N.]

Why do people keep creating endless threads about Windows 8? Talk in the existing ones.

[cropcircles]

I"m no expert as most of you are or think you are :laugh: and maybe its a generational issue with technology going more mobile. That isn't me and it won't be. I'm a Desktop user and don't want to change but I might have to in time. Is W8 being developed more for the mobile generation. Phones and tablets. ? Can somebody explain this in everyday usage terms.

[~Johnny]

I wasn't complaining, I was explaining to you which Microsoft isn't thinking about desktop users for heavy work such as video editing, graphic designing. I know how Windows 8/metro works and I know there is one screen on main display but I don't want metro screen on 1 monitor while I have desktop screen on rest of the monitors.. it's stupid which I have tried. Which is why I said before, Microsoft should have added an option to enable or disable the Metro screen

You can have the desktop on ALL your monitors. The Start screen will just act exactly like the Windows 7 start menu does now - it'll open up on the screen you call it on, and then close and return you to the desktop when you're done with it. It's not always just sitting in living there. It's a menu, not a desktop replacement. It does not constantly hog your monitor and not let you do anything else... it's just a start menu!

I prefer taskbar goes across the monitors. And an app sits on taskbar on that specific monitor. For example, you have outlook, it show outlook icon on taskbar on monitor 1, IE icon on monitor 2's taskbar. you know what I am saying?

Windows 8 does that. Taskbar that extends across all your monitors, and lets you have specific apps on each. Yays? :p

[cropcircles]

You can have the desktop on ALL your monitors. The Start screen will just act exactly like the Windows 7 start menu does now - it'll open up on the screen you call it on, and then close and return you to the desktop when you're done with it. It's not always just sitting in living there. It's a menu, not a desktop replacement. It does not constantly hog your monitor and not let you do anything else... it's just a start menu!

Windows 8 does that. Taskbar that extends across all your monitors, and lets you have specific apps on each. Yays? :p

Thank You. Do you think these will be optional settings to turn off/on like what we saw for UAC in future builds/RTM in your opinion.

[+Warwagon MVC]

Don?t get me wrong I think Metro is a beautiful UI for a touch interface, fantastic even, but only for a touch interface. The problem with Microsoft is they don?t think out of the box. They think everything needs the same UI. This is why, when in early 2001 / 2002 Gates tried to get tablets mainstream he failed. To him everything had to run windows. He took the Windows XP UI, added a few touch / pen enhancements on it and slapped it onto a laptop with a touch screen.

You just can?t take something that wasn?t made for touch and slap some touch modifications on top. That?s what happened with Windows Mobile 6.5. Sure on the surface touch worked but once you started to get back into the bowels of the OS you were met with a UI built for a stylus. Microsoft learned their lesson (or did they) and realized they had to build something from the ground up that was made for touch and geared towards the mobile market. Thus Windows Phone 7 OS was born.

Now along comes Metro on Windows 8 and back to the tablet market they go. So now they think, hmm?. We have Windows 7 which is a great OS, much like how they thought Windows Mobile 5 was a great OS, but just needed some touch enhancements. So now they build a touch interface on top of Windows 7. The problem is, the same thing is going to happen on Tablets, which happened on Windows Mobile devices when they tried to build a touch UI onto something that wasn?t built for the finger. Sure metro will be great, but once the user leaves Metro they are met with something that was made for a mouse and keyboard.

What they should have done, is taken the Windows Phone 7 OS, the OS that was made for touch inside and out and put it on their tablets. Having just said that, I?m going to get people that say ?OH NOES, can?t do that, because people can?t be productive with the WP7 OS!?. My response to that is, anybody who wants to be productive is not going to be using a tablet and touching a screen with their finger. They are going to grab a laptop or go to their desktop which utilizes a mouse and keyboard.

Because Microsoft thinks that one OS and UI should rule them all they decided to bring the Metro UI designed for touch over to the desktop and laptop market. Essentially doing in reverse what they did to the tablet market back in 2001 /2002. In the early 2000?s they brought a mouse and keyboard UI to a tablet, and now they are bringing a touch UI to the mouse and keyboard.

[Brandon Live Veteran]

I wasn't complaining, I was explaining to you which Microsoft isn't thinking about desktop users for heavy work such as video editing, graphic designing.

I think it's easy to see this isn't true. Just got look at the Building Windows 8 blog where we talk about all the new features targeted specifically at these sort of scenarios. Improvements to the file explorer, multi-mon taskbar, etc.

For what it's worth, most of us designing and writing Windows 8 do most of that work on beefy multi-mon desktop machines. It would be very hard to do anything but constantly think about these scenarios :-)

[techguy77]

people don't want change... as much as they may say they like and want change, they are resistant to it. pick anything thing new. you will find tons of people hating it before it arrives and tons more hating it once it arrives. a year or two later, you will see that people love the now old thing and are hating the next new thing.

Not true but when people face pile of crap, they will be resistant to it.

For me Metro is duplication of everything on Desktop, duplication and mess at every level. It will work fine for Phones and not so sure about Tablets since i don't see Desktop working well on Tablets same way Metro not working well on Desktops.

Whoever came up with this design at Microsoft lacks basic ideas of what PC is, what Phone is, what Tablet is and what OS should be.

[Brandon Live Veteran]

Because Microsoft thinks that one OS and UI should rule them all they decided to bring the Metro UI designed for touch over to the desktop and laptop market.

FYI, the Metro design language predates its usage on touch devices.

Do you have the same complaint about its use on the Xbox?