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So probably when you type Visual and click you will get the whole Visual Studio heading with all it's programs and you just select whatever you need, how hard is that?

No it is not but explain that to 95% of Windows User Base. Secondly from visual stand point looks fugly. Big tiles with little icon in them, totally contradicting and not consistent. And again why do i need to use whole screen when classic start menu was efficient for it? The visual transition from Desktop to big plain screen with flat boxes on it does not make sense. It is like two operating system were slapped together.

I'll somewhat agree to that.

I guess those people find Apple interface please to work with....so much of that.

As I said it is useless, go type specific *.dll name located in Windows Folder in your start search. It won't find it.... As I said most people do not type word to search for but they actually go point and click so as a concept search we have in Windows is a failure.

They should learn, possibly have an intro video on win8 encouraging it. That's how I launch all my programs. I don't pin anything to the start bar or desktop

As I said it is useless, go type specific *.dll name located in Windows Folder in your start search. It won't find it.... As I said most people do not type word to search for but they actually go point and click so as a concept search we have in Windows is a failure.

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So.... Have you even used Windows post XP?

No it is not but explain that to 95% of Windows User Base. Secondly from visual stand point looks fugly. Big tiles with little icon in them, totally contradicting and not consistent. And again why do i need to use whole screen when classic start menu was efficient for it? The visual transition from Desktop to big plain screen with flat boxes on it does not make sense. It is like two operating system were slapped together.

I guess those people find Apple interface please to work with....so much of that.

You still don't understand who MS builds Windows for

For 90% of the population the metro start screen will be easier to use.

Most people at home use their pc for email, browsing, social networks and the occasional game

If they get a start screen with nice big tiles giving them info about what they are interested in it's going to make their lives much easier

They will be able to share loads of different content in between Metro apps which is what people want to do.

The other 10% will use their pc for actual creation, and they still have the desktop available for them, the only thing that changes is that you have a start screen in stead of a start menu.

As I said it is useless, go type specific *.dll name located in Windows Folder in your start search. It won't find it.... As I said most people do not type word to search for but they actually go point and click so as a concept search we have in Windows is a failure.

Hmm.... in Windows 7 I clicked start and in the search box typed in calc.exe or hal.dll and it showed up. I hardly ever used the search box. All the applications I use I put in an application menu drop down. I find having to search for an application I use all the time kind of pointless. For the ones I use a lot like "Thunderbird" I pin to the bottom of the screen.

They should learn, possibly have an intro video on win8 encouraging it. That's how I launch all my programs. I don't pin anything to the start bar or desktop

I actually do pin to Taskbar and Desktop. It is quicker to launch app from Taskbar (former quick launch). Search bar has a wrong place in Windows 7. It should be on top of the screen in its own taskbar.

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So.... Have you even used Windows post XP?

I know how to find dll in Windows 7. I was saying that you can't get them by searching from Start Menu itself not all of them across whole C drive

I actually do pin to Taskbar and Desktop. It is quicker to launch app from Taskbar (former quick launch). Search bar has a wrong place in Windows 7. It should be on top of the screen in its own taskbar.

I know how to find dll in Windows 7. I was saying that you can get them by searching from Start Menu itself.

I disagree. It autofocuses when you launch the start menu. I personally find it faster to do win+type+enter then to move my mouse and click. My hands are on my keyboard anyway and I guess I'm a fast typist.

I'm also a run box ######. If I want to get to a location on my hard drive I don't search for it and I don't go click click click click click click click click click ...I do a windows key + R type were I want to go and press enter. For some of the more popular folders I even have an app which lets me create hot keys for certain folders. For instance

my d:\video folder is Windows key + alt + V

downloads directory is Windows key + alt + D

Then for websites like Amazon I have Ctrl + Windows key + A and BOOM i'm at Amazon.

Then for an outlook template I created for things like "Payment received" I just press ctrl+ shift + P

You still don't understand who MS builds Windows for

For 90% of the population the metro start screen will be easier to use.

Most people at home use their pc for email, browsing, social networks and the occasional game

If they get a start screen with nice big tiles giving them info about what they are interested in it's going to make their lives much easier

They will be able to share loads of different content in between Metro apps which is what people want to do.

The other 10% will use their pc for actual creation, and they still have the desktop available for them, the only thing that changes is that you have a start screen in stead of a start menu.

They use iPhone, Windows Phone , Android for those things.

I disagree. It autofocuses when you launch the start menu. I personally find it faster to do win+type+enter then to move my mouse and click. My hands are on my keyboard anyway and I guess I'm a fast typist.

there are other ways to focus cursors to any place you want.

They use iPhone, Windows Phone , Android for those things.

But what if you need or want a bigger screen? Smart phones are good on the go, but it's nice to have something bigger at home

there are other ways to focus cursors to any place you want.

What's easier then pressing one key on your keyboard?

They use iPhone, Windows Phone , Android for those things.

So you are saying that nobody at home uses their pc anymore for all those common task, they all moved to a tiny phone screen???

Right, pc sales have gone down a bit but there are still heaps of pc's being sold.

But what if you need or want a bigger screen? Smart phones are good on the go, but it's nice to have something bigger at home

What's easier then pressing one key on your keyboard?

At that point for sure don't neet Metro Start Menu since i need to get more details of what i am looking for therefore Metro Start Menu makes no sense.

So you are saying that nobody at home uses their pc anymore for all those common task, they all moved to a tiny phone screen???

Right, pc sales have gone down a bit but there are still heaps of pc's being sold.

The Average computer user is not a very productive individual. They read and post to Facebook, write the occasional email and browse the web. That's about it.

So you are saying that nobody at home uses their pc anymore for all those common task, they all moved to a tiny phone screen???

Right, pc sales have gone down a bit but there are still heaps of pc's being sold.

Yes and that explains why Windows XP is still dominant. Person A got iPhone cool, she/he checks emails, weather, feeds, facebook, local stores, movie shows, phone calls, text, take picture upload to facebook while his/her PC with Windows XP sits there in a room she or he starts once in awhile to finish some work with excell. Entertainment time? Let's fire up PS3 and watch blu ray movies, gaming time oh i can play games with my PS3 as well. Netflix time well my PS3 can do that too. That's why i support MS attempt with Metro on Tablets and Phones, makes perfect sense!!!. It turns out that Windows XP is more than enough for that work in Excell. (just example)

PC will never die though but will have its own market for certain people and for that reason MS needs to avoid bringing all that mobile **** to Desktops. PC Marketshare will drop even more and will stop dropping at certain level. And those who will be still heavily using it are hard core gamers and people with serious professional work.

At that point for sure don't neet Metro Start Menu since i need to get more details of what i am looking for therefore Metro Start Menu makes no sense.

A bigger screen is also nice to browse

I still believe you have no grasp on how people use their pc's at home, and i'm not talking about the people who frequent sites like this.

Your regular mom and pop will find it much easier to get things done on Metro then on Win7.

This will be specially true one there are heaps of Metro apps which people will be able to use on their phone, tablet, laptop, desktop and probably Xbox

The Average computer user is not a very productive individual. They read and post to Facebook, write the occasional email and browse the web. That's about it.

That's exactly what I'm saying, they don't use their computer for much more then the normal consumption

For those people I believe Metro will be a good fit. They will have all the info they are interested in on that nice big start screen

And once those Metro apps are there people can share all their cool stuff between apps like they are used to on their phone or tablet right now

The Average computer user is not a very productive individual. They read and post to Facebook, write the occasional email and browse the web. That's about it.

Define "average". As I sit here, I can see various students in the cafeteria doing all sorts of activities. I'm inclined to disagree.

At that point for sure don't neet Metro Start Menu since i need to get more details of what i am looking for therefore Metro Start Menu makes no sense.

How so? You have to choice to get on the Desktop or the start screen menu when booting.

The new start screen is much much better than the old start menu, do we really need to prove that over and over again?

I don't know why we're considered to be "confused".

I'm not confused about how useless i thought the DeV preview was, or how ugly this Metro UI is.

I'm for certain :p

Are you a developer? If not, then the DP was certainly useless to you, it wasn't meant for anyone else but.

I don't understand why people are so up in arms about Windows 8. Change is good. However, it appears most of us can't handle it when Microsoft changes something drastically. This is why Apple succeeds IMO, they do small, incremental updates that contribute towards the bigger one, so that people aren't confused when it happens. Subtly.

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