video Videos of Average people using Windows 8 for the first time.

[bandit_liberty_rumble]

a billion tutorial videos, webpages, tours in OS etc ? By the time it comes out, and when it does hit, there'll be **** all over the web and in the OS telling you how to use it.

It's just like switching to a Mac, except that you're still using Windows afterwards... ;)

[jakem1]

My mother's owned a laptop running Windows 7 for a year now but still has no idea where the Start button is when I ask her to click on it. These videos are meaningless.

[BajiRav]

This is such a pointless thread/excercise, my mother still has problems using Windows 7 even when icons are pinned on the taskbar and she is not even as old as some of these people. This is just stupid and dumb thread.

[+Warwagon MVC]

My mother's owned a laptop running Windows 7 for a year now but still has no idea where the Start button is when I ask her to click on it. These videos are meaningless.

Which means if she can't find the start button that's visible on windows 7 how is she ever going to remember were the hidden start button is on Windows 8

[Kirkburn]

Which means if she can't find the start button that's visible on windows 7 how is she ever going to remember were the hidden start button is on Windows 8

Well, they are not the same thing. You can't assume she can't understand Win8's interactions because she doesn't know the start button concept - it's just different. It doesn't instil one with confidence, but hey - you are arguing for something she currently can't do.

[Josh the Nerd]

Which means if she can't find the start button that's visible on windows 7 how is she ever going to remember were the hidden start button is on Windows 8

Sounds like she'd be no more or less lost.

[+Warwagon MVC]

Sounds like she'd be no more or less lost.

Except the physical button would be easier to explain over phone support.

[BillyJack]

Ask a person to do the following task on a computer or device:

Turn a device, open the browser, navigate to Facebook, log into Facebook, obtain a picture (It does not matter how. Let them choose.), and post the picture on Facebook.

If they cannot do that then they will never know how to use Windows 8 from the start. They have not learned enough concepts to use Windows 8 or any OS regardless of the device from the start. They have a lot of concepts to learn before they will be comfortable with there hardware or OS.

Someone that cannot sit down and in a short time figure out how to use Windows 8 is someone that lacks a lot of concepts that can apply across different technologies. If someone knows how to use a smart phone then they know how to use touch and gestures. Someone that knows how to use any computer knows how to figure out how to do things. It takes time to learn new things and that time depends on how much knowledge or experience the person already has. If they have enough experience then they would be able to sit down and jump right in.

So stop preying on inexperienced people to make videos to justify your stubbornness to learn some thing new. Come up with a real test case if you have something to prove.

[scratch42069]

What really bugs me about Windows 8 isn't the OS itself but the people saying "it's a beta, blah,blah,blah". Seriously, wtf is going to change between now and release? Tweaks and bugfixes, that's it.

[Omen1393]

What really bugs me about Windows 8 isn't the OS itself but the people saying "it's a beta, blah,blah,blah". Seriously, wtf is going to change between now and release? Tweaks and bugfixes, that's it.

The major change from Beta until now will be a tutorial, and that will be the biggest thing. It might not seem intuitive at all in the beginning, but once people learn how the OS works, it's not difficult to use, in fact it even starts to be logical. Although I think it would be more intuitive if mouse users just had to go to the middle edge of the screen instead of the corners, the corners are good enough. What I would like to see is how someone reacts to using a computer running Windows 7 for the first time. By first time, I mean they've never used a computer before. I would imagine they would be just as confused as these people using Windows 8.

[bandit_liberty_rumble]

What I would like to see is how someone reacts to using a computer running Windows 7 for the first time. By first time, I mean they've never used a computer before. I would imagine they would be just as confused as these people using Windows 8.

But the people in these videos are existing users of Windows 7 and XP - now they are completely lost merely after upgrading their systems...Like I said, judging by the difficulties they're having, they might as well have switched to a Mac, an iPad or some other completely different system - in fact they'd almost certainly be less confused in that case, because they'd be provided with some visible clues as to what can be done in the interface. Shouldn't this give Microsoft pause...?!

See this video (the guy from the 3rd video in the OP):

-> J

.

[efjay]

The fact that these videos exist, and the fact that they keep getting brought up again and again and again, proves that there is a serious flaw in the design of the CP of Windows 8. People just don't like it.

All it proves is that the Metro haters still hate Metro and are trying to push their agenda, nothing more.

[Kirkburn]

Except the physical button would be easier to explain over phone support.

Really? Cause saying "push your mouse to the top right corner of the screen, then click the thing labelled Start" seems pretty simple to me.

[+Warwagon MVC]

Really? Cause saying "push your mouse to the top right corner of the screen, then click the thing labelled Start" seems pretty simple to me.

Except most people don't hold their mouse that study. half the time they would be opening up IE

[jakem1]

Which means if she can't find the start button that's visible on windows 7 how is she ever going to remember were the hidden start button is on Windows 8

It means she'll have just as much trouble with Windows 8 as she has with every other version of Windows. However, I have a feeling she'll prefer the simplicity of the Metro apps. She typically only uses her computer for the internet, web mail and lately skype. She has no concept of multitasking and finds the Windows 7 taskbar confusing so she does everything in a single IE window that she runs full screen. She gets confused whenever MS change the Hotmail UI so the new mail app might give her some consistency and simplicity. The new file pickers seem to be perfectly suited to her as she struggles a bit when attaching photos to emails.

In short, she'll face the same challenges she does with every version of Windows but I think she'll ultimately find that Windows 8 suits her needs better than previous versions.

But the people in these videos are existing users of Windows 7 and XP - now they are completely lost merely after upgrading their systems...Like I said, judging by the difficulties they're having, they might as well have switched to a Mac, an iPad or some other completely different system - in fact they'd almost certainly be less confused in that case, because they'd be provided with some visible clues as to what can be done in the interface. Shouldn't this give Microsoft pause...?!

See this video (the guy from the 3rd video in the OP):

-> J

.

As I said, my mother (who's been using Windows since Windows 98) struggles to understand Windows 7 and reacts to it in much the same way as the people in these videos. These videos prove absolutely nothing.

[Lexcyn]

The thing is ... Microsoft's final release WILL have a tour guide that will show just like any other modern OS .... it will explain changes, new stuff etc. The consumer preview is making people go crazy but in fact, when the OS boots and says "GO HERE FOR START BUTTON" ... well, there you go. That'll be the only time anyone will need to be told. Previews like this aren't final. They're meant for geeks ... not the average consumer.

the average consumer

consumer

Really? lol

I have been in IT since I graduated college and Windows 8 annoys me to no end. I am used to the desktop experience, and when they try and shove TOUCH gestures at me to use with my mouse I get fed up.

[+Warwagon MVC]

Does the iPad come with a how to screen when you boot it for the first time?

[HawkMan]

Does the iPad come with a how to screen when you boot it for the first time?

iPad is a bad example if you want to prove intuitive UI. Ask a random person to pick up your iPad and open the "multi task" menu for example. The iPad is full of bad things like that, like for example what do all the icons at the top right on the mail app do, regular people wouldn't have a clue for most of them. Yet at the moment it's the best and easiest to use tablet out there, crushing the ux nightmare that is android. Win 8 is miles ahead of this, at least if they add a first time use tutorial.

[+Warwagon MVC]

iPad is a bad example if you want to prove intuitive UI. Ask a random person to pick up your iPad and open the "multi task" menu for example. The iPad is full of bad things like that, like for example what do all the icons at the top right on the mail app do, regular people wouldn't have a clue for most of them. Yet at the moment it's the best and easiest to use tablet out there, crushing the ux nightmare that is android. Win 8 is miles ahead of this, at least if they add a first time use tutorial.

So that would be a no. :rofl:

The iPad does have gesters like pinching the middle of the screen, swiping up, swiping to the side, all very useful. But never told to the user.

[Dot Matrix]

the average consumer

consumer

Really? lol

I have been in IT since I graduated college and Windows 8 annoys me to no end. I am used to the desktop experience, and when they try and shove TOUCH gestures at me to use with my mouse I get fed up.

There are NO "touch gestures" on the desktop. All "gestures" have a keyboard and mouse equivalent.

[Lexcyn]

There are NO "touch gestures" on the desktop. All "gestures" have a keyboard and mouse equivalent.

That's what I mean. A mouse equivalent. WTF. Annoying.

This is my opinion. If you like throwing your mouse around your mousepad or trying to remember a thousand shortcut combo's, that's your opinion. :)

[Calum Veteran]

Really a load screen for mail? Talk about taking a step backwards.

I love the splashscreens. I find that they add value to the "Immersive" Metro experience, especially as they take up the whole screen.

[+Warwagon MVC]

I love the splashscreens. I find that they add value to the "Immersive" Metro experience, especially as they take up the whole screen.

Then again you also think the desktop should die. :)

[HawkMan]

So that would be a no. :rofl:

The iPad does have gesters like pinching the middle of the screen, swiping up, swiping to the side, all very useful. But never told to the user.

Actually I'm not sure, it's been forever.

Also the swipe actions, that's something ony the more geeky people who follow tech news or read release nots knows about, same about the 4 finger pinch. Same as the task switcher, unless someone told them about it, they never use it, cause they don't know about it.

[Calum Veteran]

Then again you also think the desktop should die. :)

Of course I do, if the more complex apps end up working well in the Metro experience because in terms of user experience, the Metro experience is much more enjoyable to use than the Desktop experience.