German court "effectively bans" male circumcision


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Haggis

BTW, in UK you can legally drink alcohol at the age of 5 or 6, can't quite remember

Between the ages of 5 and 17, it is legally permissible for children to drink alcohol at home or at a friend's house with the permission of a parent or legal guardian

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jakem1

Is it just me thats thinking that Jewish people all get circumsised and this is weird that GERMANY off all countries and making it illegal?

Yes.

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Haggis

a few people at work here think the same lol

it could kick up a bit of a stink

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fenderMarky

Poor german porno-actors...

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Miuku.

Is it just me thats thinking that Jewish people all get circumsised and this is weird that GERMANY off all countries and making it illegal?

Quite a few countries have propositions on making it illegal already (and some already consider it an assault) - they've just been taking a little longer.

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scratch42069

What jew told you that?

Edit: For the record, I am circumcised and wish I would of had the choice.

The same ones that taught us in school to wash after using the washroom.

Enough with the jabs about me not using soap. FYI I use soap and clean my penis and the ones insinuating I don't are acting like children.

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Nick H.
Poor german porno-actors...

This has no affect on them. This is about preventing circumcision on boys, males not old enough to make the decision for themselves. Once you're 18 (I guess, didn't see anything mentioned in the article) you could probably get circumcised if you wanted. Heck, by that point if you wanted to get circumcised and it was still banned you could just hop to a country where it isn't illegal.

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HawkMan

The same ones that taught us in school to wash after using the washroom.

Enough with the jabs about me not using soap. FYI I use soap and clean my penis and the ones insinuating I don't are acting like children.

so why exactly do you think that those of us with foreskin can't clean ourselves, and why do you have this delusion that's it's harder to clean an uncut one ? if anything it's cleaner since you don't get all the underwear lint and crap stuck behind the head. but the reality is that it's no different, and that countries where cutting is highly uncommon, like most of Europe, doesn't have higher rates of STD's, if anything it's lower.

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tiagosilva29

Fun stuff. Every year during the Summer there are a couple of circumcision threads and it's always the same.

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Stokkolm

My wife and I have three boys. We just had our last one this past March and we debated quite a bit about having it done. I was against it and she was for it. Our other two boys are circumcised, we were in our young 20s when they were born and didn't really think about it at the time. This time, I really didn't want it to happen, but after talking to the doctor and my wife I grugingly gave my consent. The main reason being that his brothers were circumcised and we didn't want him to think something was wrong with him. If I could do it again though, I wouldn't have had any of my boys circumcised.

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nominak

My wife and I have three boys. We just had our last one this past March and we debated quite a bit about having it done. I was against it and she was for it. Our other two boys are circumcised, we were in our young 20s when they were born and didn't really think about it at the time. This time, I really didn't want it to happen, but after talking to the doctor and my wife I grugingly gave my consent. The main reason being that his brothers were circumcised and we didn't want him to think something was wrong with him. If I could do it again though, I wouldn't have had any of my boys circumcised.

Shouldn't cave bro. My bro was cut and I wasn't. I don't think there's anything wrong with me. I like the way mine looks.

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SpeedyTheSnail

I think you have no clue what you're talking about, no in fact I know you don't.

I bet you think I'm ten, and a virgin. Quite not true, on another note I am definitely the opposite of a pimp.

But one thing for certain: Most of the chicks I talk to think uncircumcised is disgusting [America]. Benefits of being in the military is I get to hear all sorts of stuff related to this.

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ILikeTobacco

Piercings aren't permanent. If you remove the ring, stud, bar or whatever, it closes over. I don't think parents should pierce their kinds bodies either, but you are comparing to radically different things.

Disagree, an ear piercing cause's no permanent change to the body.

You can remove the stud/ring and never know it had been pierced. Whereas with circumcision this is not the case now is it.?

bull****. I got an eye brow ring 13 years ago and still have the hole even though I only had it for 3 months. My left ear holes never fulled closed either and you can clearly see where it was done. It makes a permanent scare in most cases. Anyone that says otherwise is full of ****. It may close in some cases but certainly not all.

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ahhell

But one thing for certain: Most of the chicks I talk to think uncircumcised is disgusting [America]. Benefits of being in the military is I get to hear all sorts of stuff related to this.

Well, that settles it folks. The expert has spoken. Case closed.

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nominak

I bet you think I'm ten, and a virgin. Quite not true, on another note I am definitely the opposite of a pimp.

But one thing for certain: Most of the chicks I talk to think uncircumcised is disgusting [America]. Benefits of being in the military is I get to hear all sorts of stuff related to this.

Wee you talk to a lot of dumb chicks.

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Aethec

Wee you talk to a lot of dumb chicks.

Not necessarily.

I talked to a girl who thought uncircumcised == gross once. And that was in France, not in the U.S.. The reason? Her current boyfriend was circumcised (because of his religion) and cleaned his penis properly, but her last two boyfriends were uncircumcised and didn't clean their penises. She simply assumed there was a correlation between the two - can't blame her for that.

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.Neo

How long till its illegal to have your daughters get ear piercings.... Sigh, society moving backwards as always.

It should be illegal if it's being done without consent. Most guys who are circumcised never made the choice themselves. It was done for them.

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Charisma

I think a lot of the American women who think it's "disgusting" are saying that because it's something different that they aren't used to, and people of average or lower intelligence tend to fear the unfamiliar :p I'm pretty sure if they actually experienced it, many of their tunes would change.

Unless she had an experience like the French girl Aethec is talking about, that's gross. Is this just a male thing? Women have skin folds and things to clean down there too...

The thing is, you're going to be well used to cleaning and otherwise dealing with whatever you do or don't have down there, since it's what you've had all your life, and if you're a disgusting pig who doesn't clean their genitals properly, the issue isn't whether or not you have a foreskin.

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Tom

Circumcision debate, really?

IMO, Good for Germany. Choosing to chop of a babies foreskin when he doesn't have a say in it is wrong imo. Wait till he grows up and he can decide for himself.

Exactly. The foreskin can trap all sorts of nasty bacteria and can increase the risk of contracting an STD.

Uhh...

We prevent that by washing it with soap?

I can't believe it had to be explained that the magical invention of soap exists.

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theyarecomingforyou
Circumcision is not a violent act, female circumcision has nothing to do with this thread, this is solely about male circumcision, both are worlds apart.

It doesn't matter whether it is "violent" or not. The fact is that it is being done to infants and children who have no say in the matter. That is wrong.

Like I said, this is purely an attack on religion, there aren't enough incidents for this ban to be justified, why didn't Germany ban beer yet? Way more people hurt themselves and die because of alcohol, why the hell is it still freely available to society?

It's not an "attack on religion". Anybody who is religious can have the procedure performed. However, it should not be performed upon children who do not understand religion or partake in it and who do not have the mental faculties to make such a decision in order to accommodate the beliefs or traditions of their parents. Female circumcision is illegal - regardless of religious beliefs - yet male circumcision is not.

As usual, the US and Middle East are completely out of step with the rest of the civilised world.

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FiB3R

Penn & Teller on circumcision NSFW

As I said, I've been circumcised, but I was put to sleep during the operation, but I can still remember the amount of pain I went through after the operation.

Believe me when I say it really really ****ing hurts, especially when you urinate. I'm talking shaking, sweating, blood draining from your face pain. The only way I could **** without that pain, was to submerge my dick in water, so that the urine is instantly diluted. I found that out the hard way, after frantically running my dick under a cold tap to try and stop the pain.

I had to sleep with a lampshade over my crutch, I had to wear tracksuit bottoms, and keep one hand down the front of them to hold them away from me. How can a baby do any of that to avoid the pain?

I'm not mentally scared by it in any way, and I'm totally fine with my new lady killer, but that is not the point.

Watching that baby scream in pain (trust me, that is not regular baby crying) has literally made me shake with anger. How the **** can anybody think that is OK? It's sickening, barbaric and totally ****ing pointless.

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bull****. I got an eye brow ring 13 years ago and still have the hole even though I only had it for 3 months. My left ear holes never fulled closed either and you can clearly see where it was done. It makes a permanent scare in most cases. Anyone that says otherwise is full of ****. It may close in some cases but certainly not all.

A mate of mine had an eyebrow ring but had to take it out when he started his new job. It's entirely healed over. There indeed may be examples where if the piercing is poorly done it might damage the skin so it doesn't heal properly. Maybe how long you keep the ring in effects how well it heals. You can't use your example as the be all and end all and accuse everyone else of being full of ****.

In any case, piercings and circumcision are not evenly remotely the same.

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