Isn't Windows 8 the start of something great?

[TheLegendOfMart]

There is nothing to say Apple isn?t working on surpassing Windows on the desktop. They pulled the iPad out from under the rug, which literally beat the entire market upside the head, and killed the netbook segment. Apple can easily pull out a new version of OS X (OS XI?) out from the shadows and do the same.

No they can't, the only reason they took the phone and tablet market was because they were the first company to do it right. Microsoft already has that market covered by Windows.

That's the reason why Surface is going to flop, Apple already has that market covered.

[Dot Matrix]

No they can't, the only reason they took the phone and tablet market was because they were the first company to do it right. Microsoft already has that market covered by Windows.

That's the reason why Surface is going to flop, Apple already has that market covered.

Surface isn?t going to flop for one reason alone: It?s more powerful and versatile than the iPad is. It can be used as a standalone device or augment another.

And yes, Apple or Google (To a lesser extent) has the power to disrupt the desktop market had Microsoft stayed stale with Windows. Look at Kodak and all the mistakes they made with not adapting to new markets. You can only do so much with one thing before a switch up is needed to advance to new technologies.

[Windows Nashville]

Surface isn?t going to flop for one reason alone: It?s more powerful and versatile than the iPad is. It can be used as a standalone device or augment another.

Surface will flop for one reason alone: the price. I seriously doubt that Microsoft will be able to break into a market that it's already lost to Apple and Google.

[Dot Matrix]

Surface will flop for one reason alone: the price. I seriously doubt that Microsoft will be able to break into a market that it's already lost to Apple and Google.

How can you say that when you don't know the price yet?

[Windows Nashville]

How can you say that when you don't know the price yet?

http://asia.cnet.com/microsoft-surface-to-cost-at-least-us1000-62218145.htm

[Anthonyd]

http://asia.cnet.com...00-62218145.htm

That's not the official price because it hasn't been announced yet.

[Dot Matrix]

http://asia.cnet.com...00-62218145.htm

An internet rumor is no indication of price. - http://www.zdnet.com/snafu-over-pricing-of-microsoft-surface-highlights-trouble-with-web-rumors-7000001670/

[Windows Nashville]

An internet rumor is no indication of price. - http://www.zdnet.com...ors-7000001670/

Far more than "rumor", it was an early listing of the tablet on a retail website. The final price won't be much different. But even a couple hundred dollars less wouldn't change the perception of this as a very high priced device.

[Dot Matrix]

Far more than "rumor", it was an early listing of the tablet on a retail website. The final price won't be much different. But even a couple hundred dollars less wouldn't change the perception of this as a very high priced device.

Did you not read the article I linked? The website made up the number. In the words of the late Senator Vreenak, "It's Faaaake!" - http://techie-buzz.c...ApAyQkRkR567.99

[hagjohn]

And Apple is actually the ones doing the right thing with a slow transition. I would be fed up with Apple too if Launchpad was in my face every day and probably a lot of times throughout the day.

Launchpad is completely optional, the Start Screen is not.

The only time I see the start screen is when I turn it on. When I go into the desktop, I don't see it, unless I want to use it.

[fehu]

My concern about windows8 is simple

I showed it to some friend in the 25/30 age and daily users of pc and/or mac

They were only able, after a long scanning, to go from the start to the desktop. In there they growed increasingly frustrated, in every case i had to show them how to open a program because i really feared that they would crash my monitor or mouse in a rage burst.

I can adapt to the changes, but being a noob's oriented product it fails from the start

[Wyn6]

My concern about windows8 is simple

I showed it to some friend in the 25/30 age and daily users of pc and/or mac

They were only able, after a long scanning, to go from the start to the desktop. In there they growed increasingly frustrated, in every case i had to show them how to open a program because i really feared that they would crash my monitor or mouse in a rage burst.

I can adapt to the changes, but being a noob's oriented product it fails from the start

You had to show them how to open a program that is represented by a large, colored tile, a large, white icon, and text that reads, Mail, Messaging, Photos, Map, Video, etc.? Or, are you saying they couldn't figure out how to open a program from the desktop? Did you unpin everything from your taskbar, or delete all of your desktop icons, whichever you have? I've installed Win 8 on several of my friend's computers. Not one complaint and they all think it's pretty cool. Actually, the only issue was one of my friends' forgot that I told her about the -right-click navigation in many Metro apps and couldn't figure out how to pull up her open tabs in IE Metro.

[chrisj1968]

If that's the case, then let's just go on using it for the next 50 years. How about the next 100? 200? How long should we use this "great" UI?

if it's not broken why fix it? just because they made the metro UI, doesn't mean it's going to be greeted with open arms as MS thought. to be quite honest, the UI has been quite nice and I enjoyed the changes it took over the years. this is akin to pc games. Ghost Recon Future soldier. it's a hand held experience rather then the tactical experience we came to expect. at any rate. the UI has been the cornerstone to the OS and I've seen some great innovations such as customization's (windowblinds). also android and apple wouldn't overtake MS. they steal ideas from each other anyway.

when I enjoy something, let ME enjoy it the way I want to. I don't need anyone telling me how to enjoy windows

[Ice_Blue]

OneNote MX will be a killer Metro app.

This is true. I love the One Note MX app even more than the desktop version.

The radial menu is icing on the cake.

[Windows Nashville]

Did you not read the article I linked? The website made up the number.

Uh-huh.

[Windows Nashville]

You had to show them how to open a program that is represented by a large, colored tile, a large, white icon, and text that reads, Mail, Messaging, Photos, Map, Video, etc.? Or, are you saying they couldn't figure out how to open a program from the desktop? Did you unpin everything from your taskbar, or delete all of your desktop icons, whichever you have? I've installed Win 8 on several of my friend's computers. Not one complaint and they all think it's pretty cool. Actually, the only issue was one of my friends' forgot that I told her about the -right-click navigation in many Metro apps and couldn't figure out how to pull up her open tabs in IE Metro.

Consumers in general aren't receptive to being told they're "wrong" for not liking a product. That kind of arrogance from Microsoft has dogged this project since the first build, and the end result will be a commercial disaster.

[Dot Matrix]

Consumers in general aren't receptive to being told they're "wrong" for not liking a product. That kind of arrogance from Microsoft has dogged this project since the first build, and the end result will be a commercial disaster.

What arrogance? The fact that they?re changing Windows? That?s not arrogance, that?s adaptation, and it?s needed to stay in business. You, as the consumer, has the power to buy into it or not, but you can't fault them for changing Windows to meet the next generation of technological advances.

[+Warwagon MVC]

I would not want to be sitting on Microsoft Stock when Windows 8 is released!

[Noir Angel]

Getting sick of being spoke to like a child by the Microsoft/Metro apologists, just because my opinion differs to yours doesn't mean that you are automatically right.

A touch ui has no place on a desktop computer, who wants to reach across their desk to manipulate the UI, thats completely ignoring the issue of having dirty great oily smudges all over the screen you are trying to work on.

This could have easily been sorted by having the OPTION to disable Metro on devices that do not have touchscreens.

It might be bad for a consistent experience across devices but the people who don't like Metro are hardly going to go and buy Metro apps from Microsoft, they aren't losing anything by giving people a choice.

They are going to lose out more by forcing this **** on people who do not want it.

Surface is going to flop, hard, Surface Pro will just be another niche high end tablet computer that only the rich and trendy will buy, Windows 8 is going to be the next Win ME, Vista.

I'm getting sick of it as well, and the staff do sod all to stop it. It feels like shill central around here sometimes.

What arrogance? The fact that they?re changing Windows? That?s not arrogance, that?s adaptation, and it?s needed to stay in business. You, as the consumer, has the power to buy into it or not, but you can't fault them for changing Windows to meet the next generation of technological advances.

No, adaptation is adapting your product to the needs of your customers, not ignoring your customers and ploughing ahead with a product that nobody likes.

[Dot Matrix]

No, adaptation is adapting your product to the needs of your customers, not ignoring your customers and ploughing ahead with a product that nobody likes.

And that's exactly what they are doing. They?re changing Windows to meet the demands of next generation?s computing. Just like Windows 95 set everything up, Windows 8 is now setting things up for newer and greater things.

[Noir Angel]

No, they're forcing a tablet UI upon their desktop users because they're either too cheap to maintain 2 codebases or they just want a slice of the app pie. If one thing's became clear with Windows 8 it's that they don't give a toss about what their users want, it's for their benefit and their benefit only. There's nothing great about the Metro start screen.

[.Neo]

Metro vs. Retro: Did the Emperor Really Need New Clothes?

Was anything actually ?wrong? with Microsoft?s pre-Metro design? Technorati's Stephen Victor searches for answers.

A Metro Phone would help in Microsoft?s quest to find its groove again amongst this generation?s techies who are unapologetically in love with Apple. Surely I?m not the only one who feels Windows Phone?s growth and perception is inhibited by name association alone. A Metro Phone and a Metro Tablet would not suffer these injustices.

That's what I've been saying too!

[MorganX]

Since I can't get Telltale's The Walking Dead to Play on it, no. It sucks. Other than that, it's alright.

[hagjohn]

Remember when techies used to love updates? To get into the new software, so they could see how things worked. Remember the excitement? Now everyone bitches about the littlest stupid things. :(

[Eric Veteran]

Since I can't get Telltale's The Walking Dead to Play on it, no. It sucks. Other than that, it's alright.

What's it doing and which version? It looks from Telltale's forum that users have been having problems with the game on multiple platforms.

I see reports that running it XP SP3 compatibility mode and unplugging any Xbox controllers works.