mitt romney; u.s. elections Romney campaign book: England is just a small island

[Skin]

That about sums it up, who's the very slightly better of two really bad candidates. Seems to happen a lot in American politics for some reason....

... cause no one worth anything ever runs. That, and we really have a two party system that simply alternates and shuffles players around every few years to get their person in and start the cycle all over again.

[Tuishimi]

There are a lot of people saying not-so-nice things about America and (not very indirectly) Americans. This in response to what one person wrote in a book. But we are all guilty, and all *******s now. You see how that works? The internet is a wonderful thing.

I say yanks but it's an endearment rather than an insult.

Not really any different to "Brits" "afghans" "scots" etc.

Brits == inhabitants of Great Britain. Scots == inhabitants of Scotland. Yanks == inhabitants of the united states of yankland?

[HSoft]

I think you meant bible-thumping. And I am Christian and I also own weapons.

jakem1 is from the UK and ignorant of the difference.

In the UK bible bashing = bible thumping.

In the US bible bashing means the opposite.

[Skin]

There are a lot of people saying not-so-nice things about America and (not very indirectly) Americans. This in response to what one person wrote in a book. But we are all guilty, and all *******s now. You see how that works? The internet is a wonderful thing.

Well to be fair, there are a lot of not-so-nice people in and from America that taint the overall world view. Of course other countries have some bad apples too, but Americans tend to (in the greater majority) not really care about the other countries and point it out. It's a vicious circle.

[Tuishimi]

Well to be fair, there are a lot of not-so-nice people in and from America that taint the overall world view. Of course other countries have some bad apples too, but Americans tend to (in the greater majority) not really care about the other countries and point it out. It's a vicious circle.

I am not sure I buy that. Are there some sort of statistics out there that indicate that? I would believe that most of the world resents the fact that America has used politics to push our products and corporations into their countries, but not the people in general. As I've posted before, I had the pleasure to have (and currently do) work with people in Italy, France, Germany and England. Never had conversations like this. Not everyone feels the way some people here do. In fact an acquaintance of mine from England is applying for US citizenship and is planning to move here. Partly for her modeling career, partly because she has made a ton of friends over here and enjoys being here.

[threetonesun]

Well to be fair, there are a lot of not-so-nice people in and from America that taint the overall world view. Of course other countries have some bad apples too, but Americans tend to (in the greater majority) not really care about the other countries and point it out. It's a vicious circle.

What.

I mean, this might be somewhat true of rare sections of middle America where you don't have immigrants, but here on the coast the a lot of people either a) aren't American, or b) have been for 1 generation. Even most of us "landed" folk are only two or three generations deep, and even those people have some slight ties to their home country.

So, a lot of Americans care a lot about other countries, partially because they're FROM other countries. :laugh:

[Tuishimi]

Well to be fair, there are a lot of not-so-nice people in and from America that taint the overall world view. Of course other countries have some bad apples too, but Americans tend to (in the greater majority) not really care about the other countries and point it out. It's a vicious circle.

And as you said, there are not-so-nice people everywhere. People are people no matter where you go. There are kind, generous people everywhere and sometimes there are people who are rude (sometimes not even knowing they are being so). This thread is a pretty decent example, as I, being American, am now a low-IQ, uneducated, bible-bashing [sic], gun-toting American who doesn't know anything about the rest of the world.

[psionicinversion]

What a F'ing prick, england used to rule half the world, not bad for a little island is it

[Tuishimi]

What a F'ing prick, england used to rule half the world, not bad for a little island is it

England, France, Holland and Spain all had great empires at one time or another. Europe was/is a powerhouse of civilization, I don't think anyone would deny that. I wonder at the context of this quote in his book. So many things are taken out of context and made to be something other than they were intended.

[StrikedOut]

That about sums it up, who's the very slightly better of two really bad candidates. Seems to happen a lot in American politics for some reason....

No different in the UK. Although technically we can vote for many more parties the fact is it either Conservative or Labour. Trouble is politicians seem to be inherently inept at.... well, being in office! Not only that doesn?t matter who is in charge, the trend for living is always the same. The rich get richer and the poor get screwed. It is this trend that has left me feeling that the current so called democratic system we have in place is a complete failure.

[threetonesun]

What a F'ing prick, england used to rule half the world, not bad for a little island is it

I'm confused, are the English actually proud of what they used to be? Maybe it's just what we're taught in America, but I recall them "ruling" a prison colony and a bunch of underdeveloped natives that they stole resources from.

[Tuishimi]

No different in the UK. Although technically we can vote for many more parties the fact is it either Conservative or Labour. Trouble is politicians seem to be inherently inept at.... well, being in office! Not only that doesn?t matter who is in charge, the trend for living is always the same. The rich get richer and the poor get screwed. It is this trend that has left me feeling that the current so called democratic system we have in place is a complete failure.

Yeah. It's a downer sometimes. I haven't seen one candidate I've supported early in the process make it to an election in decades. The people who look the best and can spill the rhetoric like it was 2nd nature are always the ones who make it... not the ones with the most solid ideals and credentials. Or at least that is how it seems. I don't know why this is... I don't *think* it's because people are shallow... I think people have come to accept the fact that a candidate must be a mainstream, watered down Republican or Democrat... no room for a Libertarian or Independent... and even if one did get in, the Dems and Repubs in the Congress wouldn't let them get anywhere. That happened to Romney when he was Governer of MA... the state congress was 90% Democratic... he couldn't sneeze without being vetoed.

[John S. Veteran]

5 pages of whining about Romney's comment yet no one is refuting anything he said...guess he won't be getting those votes...oh wait :pinch:

[Noir Angel]

Ahh but Americans never mock us Brits. They're nothing but sunshine and rainbows whilst we are all a bunch of anti-American bigots :laugh:

Oh how I love it when the tide turns.

[Tuishimi]

Ahh but Americans never mock us Brits. They're nothing but sunshine and rainbows whilst we are all a bunch of anti-American bigots :laugh:

Oh how I love it when the tide turns.

I never do. I have friends there. My wife's family has named several children after Winston Churchill. Actually, there are no countries I "mock". And I haven't heard any of my friends "mock" any other countries either. So, where can you go with this line of argument?

[Noir Angel]

I never do. I have friends there. My wife's family has named several children after Winston Churchill. Actually, there are no countries I "mock". And I haven't heard any of my friends "mock" any other countries either. So, where can you go with this line of argument?

Was more a subtle joke at the expense of some members I have had debates with in the past :p

[FlintyV]

5 pages of whining about Romney's comment yet no one is refuting anything he said...guess he won't be getting those votes...oh wait :pinch:

Pretty sure they already have... the very fact he thinks England is an island is laughable.. and this guy is running for President... good luck with that.

I'm shocked this guy hasn't been torn apart and discredited by the US media is crazy but then I guess they're used to these kind of things with the likes of Sarah Palin.

[Original Poster]

So that's why most of the UK call all Americans yanks or yankees. Get off your high horse. Everyone is guilty of doing the same thing.

As stated above, people in the UK are guilty of this too. Everybody does it in one way or another with one country or another.

wrong I do not call them yanks? and I have never heard anyone refer to americans as yanks other then in films? so you are wrong,

[Tuishimi]

In regards to the election itself... I guess when it comes time (seeing how none of my candidates made it) I will have to weigh their morality against my own beliefs, their business sense (and record of implementation) and try to look beyond their public fa?ade at the more private person, if that is possible. A good example of what I mean by that is that video from Elton John who spoke out strongly against George Bush and his politics... but when he met him in person and found out how he felt about a number of non-political issues he found he liked him. I think that is an important aspect of a person in power as well.

[threetonesun]

I think George Bush was a terrible President, but he probably wasn't a bad guy. I personally think he had a lot of influencers, and if you met him on the street, he'd probably seem pretty normal. I'd say the opposite for Clinton, I thought he was a decent President, but he seems like a complete jerk.

I don't think we've seen anyone who was a good person and a good President since Eisenhower. I'd say Carter and Obama were least changed by being President, but history will look back at both of them as being pretty tepid.

[redfish]

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That about sums it up, who's the very slightly better of two really bad candidates. Seems to happen a lot in American politics for some reason....

American Presidential elections nowadays are polarized, short on substance, and media-driven.

On the other hand, the President has a lot less power than a PM though, which is good.

[Skin]

What.

I mean, this might be somewhat true of rare sections of middle America where you don't have immigrants, but here on the coast the a lot of people either a) aren't American, or b) have been for 1 generation. Even most of us "landed" folk are only two or three generations deep, and even those people have some slight ties to their home country.

So, a lot of Americans care a lot about other countries, partially because they're FROM other countries. :laugh:

Being from other countries and caring about it/them is one thing. What i was referring to is unfortunately, most American's seem to not care enough about other countries to point out the 'bad-apples' in them. In other words, they are too self-absorbed to go looking at the other countries and bother to care.

Also, in terms of normal current events and overall interest in the countries themselves, I suppose maybe it could be seen in a number of factors, like sadly they (overall) seeming care little for the common folks in their own land, their neighbors, and even people from state to state, etc, I find it hard to believe the majority DO care once ounce for a whole other country when that happens.

Sorry, it's just from experiences in meeting Americans in general.

[Azusa]

I'm confused, are the English actually proud of what they used to be? Maybe it's just what we're taught in America, but I recall them "ruling" a prison colony and a bunch of underdeveloped natives that they stole resources from.

Wow Pretty much like Modern day America really.

[Skin]

5 pages of whining about Romney's comment yet no one is refuting anything he said...guess he won't be getting those votes...oh wait :pinch:

Why would they have to refute it? I don't understand the point you are making. England, and the whole UK island, is tiny in comparison to a lot of the things mentioned, and in terms of a flub, everyone makes them... sadly, this one was transcribed in a book that passed a supposed editing, but still, it was a flub.

tldr.. telling the truth and making a small flub doesn't amount to a reason not to vote for someone.

Wow Pretty much like Modern day America really.

hmm. did America steal any resources from natives lately?

Pretty sure they already have... the very fact he thinks England is an island is laughable.. and this guy is running for President... good luck with that.

I'm shocked this guy hasn't been torn apart and discredited by the US media is crazy but then I guess they're used to these kind of things with the likes of Sarah Palin.

psst, Obama thought the US had like 57 states... his own country. The world welcomed him like he was walking across the ocean.

With regard to Romney, what dirt does he have to tear him apart with.. trust me, if they had anything they WOULD have used it.

[Tom]

I'm confused, are the English actually proud of what they used to be? Maybe it's just what we're taught in America, but I recall them "ruling" a prison colony and a bunch of underdeveloped natives that they stole resources from.

I think you're the missing the point massively. The points in this thread brought up the British Empire to disprove that we are not 'just a small island.' as Romney suggested.

5 pages of whining about Romney's comment yet no one is refuting anything he said...guess he won't be getting those votes...oh wait :pinch:

Romney gets proven to be a liar and an advocate of killing the middle class in favour of the rich on a DAILY basis. Sure Obama sucks but at least you've seen some positive growth. Analysts of Mitt Romneys tax plans found that people on $1m a year will get a $87,000 tax cut whilst the middle class will be forced to make up that money by having their taxes increased (I believe on average it would be an extra $500 for each middle class American)

Obama sucks. Mitt Romney is diabolical and makes no attempt to hide that his first order of business is to **** the middle class up.