98 members have voted

  1. 1. Are WinRT apps 'tablet apps'?

    • No
      38
    • Yes
      49
    • They shouldn't be called "tablet apps," but they only work well on tablets
      11


Recommended Posts

EDIT: All off-topic posts from this thread have been moved over to this new, official thread for such discussion. This post was the first off-topic post in the thread. Please feel free to continue this discussion here :)

Got them uninstalled, it resets associations to normal Windows programs. I should have tried it before asking but I just figured that removing those from start screen doesn't remove them from Windows, thats usually been the case with Windows.

[. . .]

I feel I should point out, there is a problem with how you're referring to apps and programs in Windows 8.

As others have pointed out, the "Metro" apps are not "tablet apps." They are designed for many different formfactors, including notebooks and desktops, and they are designed to be operated by either fingers or a mouse and keyboard. Referring to them as "tablet apps," just because you believe they work better on a tablet is a pretty ignorant way of posting, especially when you are asking for help?it indicates that you haven't put any thought into trying to understand Windows 8 before asking about your problem. The same possibly goes for the post I've quoted above, in which you refer to the previous Windows programs as "normal programs." I suppose they could be referred to as "normal" in the sense that they are currently the most used by computer users, but I suspect you meant "normal" in another sense.

Link to comment
https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1100941-are-winrt-apps-tablet-apps/
Share on other sites

I feel I should point out, there is a problem with how you're referring to apps and programs in Windows 8.

As others have pointed out, the "Metro" apps are not "tablet apps." They are designed for many different formfactors, including notebooks and desktops, and they are designed to be operated by either fingers or a mouse and keyboard. Referring to them as "tablet apps," just because you believe they work better on a tablet is a pretty ignorant way of posting, especially when you are asking for help?it indicates that you haven't put any thought into trying to understand Windows 8 before asking about your problem. The same possibly goes for the post I've quoted above, in which you refer to the previous Windows programs as "normal programs." I suppose they could be referred to as "normal" in the sense that they are currently the most used by computer users, but I suspect you meant "normal" in another sense.

I suspect he meant "normal" as in they behave the way you'd expect it for Windows apps, i.e. aking advantage of the window paradigm . "Metro" apps on the other hand behave the way one expects tablet apps to behave. In that sense they're anything but "normal" on a traditional Windows PC. They work nothing like any Windows app did before.I wouldn't at all be surprised if "tablet apps" were to become the name given to "Metro" apps by the general consumer.

I suspect he meant "normal" as in they behave the way you'd expect it for Windows apps, i.e. aking advantage of the window paradigm . "Metro" apps on the other hand behave the way one expects tablet apps to behave. In that sense they're anything but "normal" on a traditional Windows PC. They work nothing like any Windows app did before.I wouldn't at all be surprised if "tablet apps" were to become the name given to "Metro" apps by the general consumer.

As I mention, all of that indicates that the person hasn't bothered to try to understand Windows 8, the reasons for the changes, and how it works :) I'm not suggesting anyone has to think this new Windows experience is better or that they should agree that the changes are good for the desktop formfactor, but I feel that everyone should try to understand Microsoft's viewpoint and what they intended, rather than resorting to false labels ("tablet apps") and misunderstanding (expecting apps in Windows 8 to work like they did in previous versions of Windows).

As I mention, all of that indicates that the person hasn't bothered to try to understand Windows 8, the reasons for the changes, and how it works :) I'm not suggesting anyone has to think this new Windows experience is better, but I feel that everyone should try to understand the changes, rather than resorting to false labels ("tablet apps") and misunderstanding (expecting apps in Windows 8 to work like they did in previous versions of Windows).

Quite frankly I really couldn't care less what fairytale Microsoft would love us to believe in when it comes to this. It's extremely obvious Metro has been designed largely with tablets / touch screen input in mind. The definite name for "Windows 8 apps" is still up in the air as well. We all knew exactly what the OP meant.

  • Like 3
I feel that everyone should try to understand Microsoft's viewpoint and what they intended, rather than resorting to false labels ("tablet apps") and misunderstanding (expecting apps in Windows 8 to work like they did in previous versions of Windows).

To be fair, it's hard to come up with the right label these days when the naming conventions are still in a state of flux (immersive/Metro/Windows 8 style/modern ..). It seems to me everyone immediately understood what the OP meant by "tablet apps". I also think that there is widespread agreement (in reviews and such) that these apps actually do work best on a tablet.

To be fair, it's hard to come up with the right label these days when the naming conventions are still in a state of flux (immersive/Metro/Windows 8 style/modern ..). It seems to me everyone immediately understood what the OP meant by "tablet apps". I also think that there is widespread agreement (in reviews and such) that these apps actually do work best on a tablet.

I'm not disputing any of that. It's just how it comes across to me?someone asking for such help while refering to the apps as "tablet apps," is indicating that they don't understand that the apps were also designed for desktops/notebooks and that they thus haven't even tried to understand the idea for Windows 8.

Perhaps I wouldn't mind if it was another type of question, but this question was phrased in a way that suggested he wanted to remove the apps because he believes they're only designed for a tablet and he isn't using a tablet.

We surely don't need a debate about this?I was just pointing out to him that these aren't "tablet apps," which is true.

Calum, with all do respect I believe you should try to understand that not everyone is like you and phrases things differently. You frequently seem to have issues when people don't explain things in great detail and expect, sometimes, unrealistic accuracy of them. This isn't a personal attack by any means, just something you might want to think about.

That's the only thing I wanted to add to this.

  • Like 3
  • 2 weeks later...

I'm not disputing any of that. It's just how it comes across to me?someone asking for such help while referring to the apps as "tablet apps," is indicating that they don't understand that the apps were also designed for desktops/notebooks and that they thus haven't even tried to understand the idea for Windows 8.

Perhaps I wouldn't mind if it was another type of question, but this question was phrased in a way that suggested he wanted to remove the apps because he believes they're only designed for a tablet and he isn't using a tablet.

We surely don't need a debate about this?I was just pointing out to him that these aren't "tablet apps," which is true.

Get over yourself. :rolleyes:

Just because you have fallen for the brainwashing, or are a primary tablet user, or are a simpleton (see my sig), who can only focus on one application at a time (or two, but one has to be tiny on the side), not everyone else is. When I run the iOS simulator, guess what, the tablet apps that are there and I work on work with a mouse and keyboard. They are still tablet apps. Simple, designed as singleton, tablet applications. Nothing wrong with that - I wouldn't want OS X on my iPad, or Ubuntu on Android tablets, or Windows 7 on Surface. But I don't want iOS on my Air, I don't want Android on my PC and I don't want the tablet UI known as metro on my desktop either. Tablet tablet tablet. Big, simple, one app at a time, tablet.

And all you did with your stupid condescending posts was to start yet another flame, err, sorry, "debate". :rolleyes:

Get over yourself. :rolleyes:

Just because you have fallen for the brainwashing, or are a primary tablet user, or are a simpleton (see my sig), who can only focus on one application at a time (or two, but one has to be tiny on the side), not everyone else is. When I run the iOS simulator, guess what, the tablet apps that are there and I work on work with a mouse and keyboard. They are still tablet apps. Simple, designed as singleton, tablet applications. Nothing wrong with that - I wouldn't want OS X on my iPad, or Ubuntu on Android tablets, or Windows 7 on Surface. But I don't want iOS on my Air, I don't want Android on my PC and I don't want the tablet UI known as metro on my desktop either. Tablet tablet tablet. Big, simple, one app at a time, tablet.

And all you did with your stupid condescending posts was to start yet another flame, err, sorry, "debate". :rolleyes:

"Get over myself"? How about you stop being rude and always speak to people politely in life.

We have differing opinions. That doesn't mean you need to act like a terrible person.

I haven't fallen for any "brainwashing." I merely kept an open mind, used Windows 8 for ages, compared my user experience to the user experience Windows 7 provides, and realised that Windows 8 provides a much better user experience for me, as a software developer, a software designer, and an end user.

I didn't start any kind of flamewar. Someone referred to the apps in an incorrect way, and I corrected that person because I'm pedantic. None of that invites anyone to flame anyone. Further, my posts aren't condescending, or stupid, for that matter.

  • Like 2

[. . .]

Calum, for the record, you are 100% dead wrong about them being called "metro" apps. It constantly baffles me that people will berate others for using improper terminology, while then sharing improper terminology.

[. . .]

I didn't state at all that they are called Metro apps :s I personally referred to them as "Metro" apps (using quotation marks) because that is the codename Microsoft used while Windows 8 was in development, but I didn't once state that that is the name for them.

It baffles me when people misrepresent my views, indicating they haven't even read my posts before replying to them.

Please read my posts correctly in future before replying to them and misrepresenting my views.

I act terrible to terrible condescending posters. You will pardon me for not sweating over the fact you are a mod. Pedantic or not, there is no reason to act like this.

Why should people not be corrected, if they post incorrect information? My post was polite and considerate. As I stated, I just wanted to help him because it seemed he wanted to get rid of the apps because he thought they were designed for tablets only. So I thought that if I informed him that Microsoft also designed them for desktops and notebooks, he might give them a go. It was only a polite bit of help that could have gone ignored. I don't see why anyone should have had a go at me for it, because I wasn't doing anything wrong, and I certainly wasn't trying to be condescending. Do you believe correcting someone is always condescending? If not, how else does one correct another?

Incorrect information in your eyes is not universally incorrect. In my eyes he is one 100% percent correct. It also wasn't about you "correcting him" but the way you did it. You barged in, mr. factious, and posted in an unfitting manner.

Your reasoning for "correcting" him or looking to "help" him is nonsense. He said he does not want preview applications to open in full screen, but in normal desktop behavior, open in regular desktop preview, like content should, when coming from desktop. So how exactly did you see this as him not understanding tablet apps can be used on the desktop as well and barged to "correct" him?

tablet tablet tablet

Incorrect information in your eyes is not universally incorrect. In my eyes he is one 100% percent correct. It also wasn't about you "correcting him" but the way you did it. You barged in, mr. factious, and posted in a subpar manner.

tablet tablet tablet

Saying I "corrected him" might not be correct then, but I'm not sure because isn't "tablet apps" a factually incorrect label, considering they were designed for desktops and notebooks, even if you believe they only work well on a tablet?

Either way, because they were designed for desktops and notebooks, I thought it was best to point that out to him. If he hadn't referred to them as "tablet apps," I wouldn't have done that. But I shouldn't be the one to get hounded. If someone erroneously calls them "tablet apps," I will point out that the apps were designed for desktops and notebooks as well as tablets. It's only fair. Microsoft are getting enough unreasonable criticism as it is (although some is of course reasonable, even some of the criticism by those who believe the apps only work well on tablets).

I didn't barge in. I posted in a topic that anyone is allowed to post in, and my post shouldn't have derailed the thread in any way, as it didn't require much of a response and was on topic to what the author had posted. As I've mentioned, I feel it's important for someone to point these things out to people. I don't believe that suggesting someone is using the wrong terminology is bad or condescending in any way. What do you mean by 'subpar manner'? I was very polite, considerate, and trying to be helpful. It's only condescending if you read it in that tone?a tone I did not intend, and a tone that it shouldn't be read in. It's hard to convey tone via written communication, and this just appears to be a case of someone reading my post in a different tone to what was intended. It's happened before, and it's perhaps understandable, due to there being pretty much no way for me to convey my intended tone via written communication.

Saying I "corrected him" might not be correct then, but I'm not sure because isn't "tablet apps" a factually incorrect label, considering they were designed for desktops and notebooks, even if you believe they only work well on a tablet?

Either way, because they were designed for desktops and notebooks, I thought it was best to point that out to him. If he hadn't referred to them as "tablet apps," I wouldn't have done that. But I shouldn't be the one to get hounded. If someone erroneously calls them "tablet apps," I will point out that the apps were designed for desktops and notebooks as well as tablets. It's only fair. Microsoft are getting enough unreasonable criticism as it is (although some is of course reasonable, even some of the criticism by those who believe the apps only work well on tablets).

I didn't barge in. I posted in a topic that anyone is allowed to post in. As I've mentioned, I feel it's important for someone to point these things out to people. I don't believe that suggesting someone is using the wrong terminology is bad or condescending in any way. What do you mean by subpar manner? I was very polite, considerate, and trying to be helpful. It's only condescending if you read it in that tone?a tone I did not intend, and a tone that it shouldn't be read in. It's hard to convey tone via written communication, and this just appears to be a case of someone reading my post in a different tone to what was intended. It's happened before, and it's perhaps understandable, due to there being pretty much no way for me to convey my intended tone via written communication.

Again, just because you are convinced they have been designed for both tablet and desktop does not make it so. Just like a phone application is not really a tablet application, if it runs on both phone and tablet. Despite a silly developer claiming to have "designed" it for both (running to see that it works on a platform does not make it "designed" for it). When people say "tablet app", they mean primarily designed for tablet. Indeed, that is what it is. Look at Office 2013 - it has support for touch, but it is a desktop software - desktop software with support for touch. Metro apps are tablet software with support for mouse. "Designed for" and "compatible with" are wholly different concepts.

Calum, with all do respect I believe you should try to understand that not everyone is like you and phrases things differently. You frequently seem to have issues when people don't explain things in great detail and expect, sometimes, unrealistic accuracy of them. This isn't a personal attack by any means, just something you might want to think about.

That's the only thing I wanted to add to this.

Thank you for being courteous when saying this to me, unlike some people. As you may be aware, I am honestly not trying to be irritating :p and I am trying to help. I'm just very, very pedantic, and I believe the term "tablet apps" influences unreasonable criticism, considering that Microsoft did design them for desktops and notebooks, too, even if they only work well on tablets.

I will definitely think about what you've said there, and I will try to get over things like this :p

  • Like 2

Again, just because you are convinced they have been designed for both tablet and desktop does not make it so. Just like a phone application is not really a tablet application, if it runs on both phone and tablet. Despite a silly developer claiming to have "designed" it for both (running to see that it works on a platform does not make it "designed" for it). When people say "tablet app", they mean primarily designed for tablet. Indeed, that is what it is. Look at Office 2013 - it has support for touch, but it is a desktop software - desktop software with support for touch. Metro apps are tablet software with support for mouse. "Designed for" and "compatible with" are wholly different concepts.

I think it's just down to how we both define the term "tablet app," and I may be wrong. I believe something can only be called a "tablet app" if it was only intended for tablets. Even if it works awfully on desktops but the developer intended it for use on desktops, I don't believe it can be reasonably called a "tablet app," and I think such terminology could be dangerous for people's perceptions of Microsoft.

But I understand that some people don't intend it in that way, and even though I believe it could lead people to view Microsoft in an unfair way, I understand that some people just mean they feel the apps work better on a tablet.

As I said to Neo., I will think about what you've both said, and I will try to get over this. Thanks for the advice :)

It's probably best we let this topic get back on topic now, though :) Although it seems his problem is sorted.

He said he does not want preview applications to open in full screen, but in normal desktop behavior, open in regular desktop preview, like content should, when coming from desktop. So how exactly did you see this as him not understanding tablet apps can be used on the desktop as well and barged to "correct" him?
I play games in full screen, I watch movies in full screen, does that makes my PC a tablet? Oo

Now I feel bad.. :(

If that's serious, then no worries, and I'm sorry my post came across as condescending (I am going to try to think of how to better phrase things in future). It honestly wasn't intentional :) I just need to get over my pedantic ideals in some cases :p

If that's serious, then no worries, and I'm sorry my post came across as condescending (I am going to try to think of how to better phrase things in future). It honestly wasn't intentional :) I just need to get over my pedantic ideals in some cases :p

:rose:

:)

I'm not disputing any of that. It's just how it comes across to me?someone asking for such help while refering to the apps as "tablet apps," is indicating that they don't understand that the apps were also designed for desktops/notebooks and that they thus haven't even tried to understand the idea for Windows 8.

What a load of horseploppy. Everybody knew exactly what the op was talking about, because that is exactly what they are. No matter how much you try to polish it, this turd(metro) will never shine.

To the op, dump them, install classic shell, and win8 becomes wonderfully usable just like that. You never ever have to look at the metro(or whatever they're calling it this week) again.

What a load of horseploppy. Everybody knew exactly what the op was talking about, because that is exactly what they are. No matter how much you try to polish it, this turd(metro) will never shine.

This doesn't add to your credibility. I've been using nothing but Modern apps on my notebook for the past week since I've started back at school, and so far, they're working wonderfully. The only time I see the desktop is to use Word and Excel.

This topic is now closed to further replies.
  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
  • Posts

    • In the way that you framed it incorrectly. You wrote: "The constant need to close all browser sessions and wait for a new version to install" There's no "constant need to close all browser sessions". That's factually incorrect. The browser downloads its updates in the background and installs them when you open it again. Silently. And there's no "wait for a new version to install", updates are small and take 2-3 extra seconds AT MOST, if any. If you have an SSD, there's zero extra time. Also, every mainstream browser operates this way. Firefox, the FOSS go-to browser, the default on almost every Linux distro, does exactly the same. Also, you don't need to constantly restart Edge for updates to install, you can completely ignore them and it doesn't even ask you to handle them, it's all silent and automatic. So I don't understand what else do you want.
    • DuRoBo Krono Review: Portable E-Ink reader with great ideas that need a bit of improvement by Taras Buria Phone-sized e-readers are gaining traction these days, with more people treating them as a getaway device to cure phone addiction (or at least they are trying to) or having a more pocket-friendly reader that is easier to carry and hold. The market now has plenty of such readers to choose from, and DuRoBo is the latest addition, a new player that offers a more interesting approach to the idea. The Krono is a $279 e-reader with an interesting twist, which tries to make the device more fun and ergonomic. Here is my review. Disclaimer: DuRoBo provided the review sample without any editorial input or pre-approval. The Krono comes in a phone-sized box with pink accents. Inside, you get the device itself, a short user manual, and a USB cable. The cable is a bit old-fashioned, Type-A to Type-C, which is a bit disappointing. Hot take: I would rather have no cable in the box rather than another Type-A cable that gets immediately thrown into my box full of similar cables I never use. The Krono also has no charger in the box, as it relies on accessories you already own, which is fine with me. Here are the specs: Dimensions 154 x 80 x 9.0 mm or 6.06" x 3.15" x 0.35" 173 g or 6.10 oz Materials Black or White plastic Display 6.13-inch E-Ink Carta 1200, 1,648 x 824 pixels, 300 ppi Touch-capacitive. Dual-tone frontlight. Processor 8-core Qualcomm Snapdragon 690 (QTI SM6350) 2 performance cores at 2.07 GHz 4 efficiency cores at 1.71 GHz Memory 6 GB Storage 128GB, non-expandable ~104GB available out-of-the-box Operating system Android 15 with a custom launcher Connectivity Wi-Fi and Bluetooth Battery 3,950 mAh battery Buttons and port USB Type-C port Power button, Volume button, Smart Dial Breathing Lights Audio Mono Speaker and Dual microphones In the box The Krono, a Type-A to Type-C cable, user manual Price $279 on Amazon First impressions Right off the bat, no, this is not a phone replacement. Do not approach this device thinking it can serve you as a dumb phone to cure your TikTok addiction. In addition to the fact that the Krono has no cellular connectivity, I strongly believe that no amount of extra devices can fix your phone addiction until you put some serious effort into it. The Krono is a phone-sized e-reader, a companion for your phone dedicated to reading without distractions. The DuRoBo Krono is made of plastic with a very fine texture. It is hardly premium, but I also cannot say it feels cheap. The device is also a bit thick, quite dense, and well-built without rattling or cracking. You get to choose between two colors: white and black. The front has quite thick bezels, which is hardly surprising for an e-ink device. These things use front light, with LEDs usually placed on the screen perimeter. While I do not mind thicker bezels, the notably larger chin cheapens the look a little. What I mind is a notable seam between the display and the main case, which, after just two days of use, collected plenty of dust and specks. The back of the Krono is what makes the device stand out. There is a cylinder (DuRoBo calls it the Axis) embedded in the back of the reader, housing three elements: a power button on the right edge, a Smart Dial on the left edge, and "Breathing Lights" on the back. An etched DuRoBo logo sits below the cylinder, and it is the only piece of branding you can find on the device. Overall, the design and materials are very unassuming, but the cylinder with additional control elements certainly elevates the look and makes it more interesting. Other physical elements include two microphones (one on the top edge and one on the bottom edge), a USB Type-C port, a volume rocker, and a single mono speaker. There is no fingerprint reader, so if you want to protect your device, a PIN is your only option. The official TPU case is not the most premium-looking Display The Krono has a 6.1-inch E-Ink Carta 1200 touchscreen display with a resolution of 1,648 x 824 pixels (300 ppi). The display is front-lit, and you can adjust the brightness and temperature from cool to warm. Unfortunately, the Krono lacks automatic brightness and temperature adjustments, and you cannot set a custom schedule for the frontlight. However, you can set it to always enable frontlight so that you can see what is happening on the screen when turning it on in a dark environment. On the bright side (get it?), the front light can get extremely dim so that the screen is barely readable in a pitch-dark room. The front light is also uniform across the screen, with no noticeable temperature gradients. I am very susceptible to uneven front light, and it is very easy for me to notice it, but the Krono is doing a very good job in this area. I also like that the edge shadow is not very prominent and barely visible in the black variant. E-Ink Carta 1200 is not the newest generation (there are Carta 1250 and 1300), but it is still a good display. It supports three modes: Clarity, Speed, and Quality. In Clarity mode, text is very sharp and easy to read, but you trade that for more ghosting, a slower refresh rate, and more artifacts when the display changes images. Speed mode, as the name suggests, boosts refresh rate and reduces ghosting, but fine print and text become more jagged. Finally, Quality mode is only available in Android apps. It has the lowest refresh rate, but in return, you get much better visuals, improved gradients, and more. Like brightness and temperature, you can toggle modes from the control center. It is available when swiping from the top-right corner of the screen (the top-left is for notifications). I also like that the Krono can work as a desk clock when not in use. It has a bunch of screensavers, including horizontal clocks with time, date, and current battery level. The screen refreshes once per minute, and battery drain is extremely low (not even 1% in 24 hours). It is a great use of the technology, and another thing I wish more e-ink devices featured. Smart Dial The Smart Dial is Krono's main party trick. It sits on the left side of the device and serves multiple purposes. You can twist or press it to perform various actions, depending on the current use case scenario. When reading books, twisting the dial flips through pages, and pressing it refreshes the screen. On the home screen, the dial adjusts the brightness, and holding the dial pressed launches voice note recording. Finally, a quick double press launches the DuRoBo AI chatbot. While the dial scroll is not notched, it is very smooth and has haptic feedback that confirms your actions, which feels very nice. As a long-term Apple Watch user, I love the idea behind the dial. It feels very natural and oddly satisfying to use, especially with that subtle haptic feedback. I never liked flipping pages with touch input, and I strongly believe each e-reader should come with some sort of physical controls for turning pages. The Krono has both volume buttons (which also work as page turners) and the dial, so you are free to use whichever you prefer. With that said, the dial is not perfect. For one, it sticks out of the case way too far for my liking, raising concerns about durability and longevity when carrying the Krono around in a pocket (it is a pocket-sized device after all). Also, it has too much wobble, which cheapens the experience and makes it feel a bit flimsy and unsecured. While there are two plastic guards on the Krono's case, they are way too small for any kind of protection. I also think DuRoBo should let users customize dial actions (the only available customization is scroll direction), particularly for long and double presses. Not everyone needs voice notes, and DuRoBo AI does not work without an active internet connection, leaving the long press essentially useless when offline. I do not mind these features, and I genuinely think they are useful, but I would rather have the ability to toggle between screen modes, turn the frontlight on/off, or launch my favorite app. I also agree with people on Reddit asking developers to let users adjust the dial sensitivity. I hope this is something DuRoBo can implement with a software update to make the experience more personalized (it is a Smart Dial, after all) and incentivize users to fiddle with the Dial more often. The Dial is a fantastic idea, so please, guys, improve it a little. As for ergonomics, they are mostly fine, but the dial's position may feel a little awkward and way too high. When I use a phone or a phone-sized gadget, I tend to rest one of its corners on my palm for a more secure grip. With the Krono, such a grip is impossible because you cannot reach the dial even with big hands. You have to lower the reader a bit and hold it like a bottle without any extra support for the bottom edge. Such a grip is not necessarily uncomfortable (the Krono is also light enough for it), but it requires a bit of muscle retraining. Sometimes, I do not bother with the dial and hold the Krono like my phone, flipping through pages with volume buttons, as they are perfectly positioned for my right-hand thumb. Interestingly, when testing the Krono, I would often find myself thinking that a roller embedded in the long plastic cylinder on the back of the device would have been a much more comfortable solution. There is a free idea for you, guys. Software The Krono runs Android 15 with a very minimal launcher on top. The home screen presents you with a list of apps, a scrollable list of widgets, and your user profile. Widgets can display time, calendar, or recent books for quick access. You can also add or remove apps from the home screen to keep the most useful stuff around without tapping "Apps." I like this minimalistic approach; it looks clean, easy to understand, and light. I understand that some may find the list of all apps way too clean, but fortunately, DuRoBo lets you switch to traditional icons. The reader also has a bunch of preinstalled apps: Read: The default app for reading. Browser: A Chromium-based browser. Files: A simple file manager. Music: A simple music player. Spark: A voice recorder with transcription support and AI summarization DuRoBo AI: A built-in AI chatbot. Transfer: An app for file transfer over Wi-Fi. If that is not enough, there is the Google Play Store, where you can download all the extra apps you need, alternative readers, podcast apps, chatbots, and more. DuRoBo is not trying to give you an all-in-one device. The standard software experience is quite minimal, which makes it easy to approach and learn. The standard reader supports EPUB, EPUB3, AZW3, MOBI, PDF, TXT, DOC, and DOCX, which is more than enough to let you read most books without third-party software. As for customizing the reading experience, you can select one of five built-in fonts, adjust size and thickness, adjust margins and spacing (only three variants for each), change text alignment and direction, toggle the reading status bar, and switch to dark mode. There is also text-to-speech, which utilizes Android's default TTS tech. While I like the simplistic approach, I cannot help but feel DuRoBo could have made the built-in reader a bit more customizable. However, I am not going to bog down on this, as you can always install any other reader you prefer using the Play Store or by sideloading an APK. Getting books to the Krono is very simple. Given that the device is an Android smartphone without cellular connectivity, you can transfer files via a USB Type-C cable, download them using the built-in browser, share them over Bluetooth, or use cloud storage. My favorite was the built-in Transfer app. It is simple, reliable, and very well-designed. I was surprised by how well-designed the web portal is. It is fast, pretty, and properly categorized. Well done! Once you have your books loaded, you can highlight or underline text, add annotations, bookmark pages, check the table of contents, and ask AI about the selected text. Unfortunately, the Krono has no built-in vocabulary, but again, that is something a third-party reader could fix. Overall, the built-in reader is light and snappy, with just the minimum amount of features for a regular user to enjoy reading books. The Krono has no built-in reading tracking, so stat nerds will have to look for third-party reading apps. However, you can set a daily reading goal, and the reader will notify you when you reach it (for example, one hour). You can also set a reminder to read at a certain time, and when the time comes, the Krono will light up its back LEDs and unlock itself to nudge you. Other than that, the rear LEDs do nothing, not even showing charging progress, which is an unfortunate misopportunity if you ask me. Quirks aside, Krono's Android runs quite snappily and bug-free. Early reviews of the Krono criticized its Android 13-based software quite a lot, but now, the reader runs Android 15, and its software has fixed plenty of initial complaints. I never experienced any issues with built-in apps. AI attempts The DuRoBo Krono comes with a built-in AI chatbot. There is no information on what model powers this thing, but the system says it was "trained by Google." You can launch the bot from the app list or by double-pressing the dial. It works just like any other chatbot, and you can ask it anything by typing or using voice input. The AI saves your chats, and you can rename, export, or delete them. DuRoBo AI requires an active internet connection, and it does not work offline. Its reach and capabilities are also limited. You can only chat in the app and use it in the reader app as a makeshift vocabulary. However, the implementation is kinda awkward. You can only send a selected portion of text to AI without giving it any requests or instructions. I highlighted the word "dumb," and it apologized to me for not being useful. You also cannot ask follow-up questions or send the generated response to a separate chat. The chatbot is also slow, even with fast Wi-Fi, making the overall experience quite frustrating, which makes me again wish for the ability to remap the double press to something else. Spark, the standard voice recording app, also uses AI for note summarization and transcribing. Neither feature works offline, unfortunately. Spark records notes up to 30 minutes using Krono's dual microphones, and you can rename or export notes. Transcription quality is decent, and the speed is alright, but you can find much better solutions in the Google Play Store. What I like about Spark is that transcribed notes are not locked, and you can always type more to elaborate on your ideas, which is handy. Overall, I like that the Krono is not shoving AI down my throat, but to be honest, there is really not that much to shove. AI features here feel raw and need improvements to be more useful. Battery Life Like most E-Ink readers, the Krono has fantastic battery life. Even with a clock as a screensaver, its standby power consumption is incredibly low. And when in use, you can get weeks of reading on a single charge. Without the front light, my unit never sipped more than one or two percent of battery during a one-hour reading session. It was nice to see plenty of battery-related settings. You can limit charging at 80% to protect battery health long-term, check the number of charging cycles, manufacturing/first-time use date, battery health, and the maximum capacity. Additionally, the Krono lets you select what hardware remains enabled when sleeping. This lets you keep Wi-Fi and Bluetooth on (say, if you want to receive notifications, for some reason) and keep audio playing when locked. Turning these features off effectively eliminates any standby battery drain. I left my Krono sitting for 24 hours with a clock screensaver on, and it did not drop a single percent. The pretty big 3,950 mAh battery justifies the device's thickness and ensures you do not have to charge it for long periods. Speaking of charging, it is capped at only 10W, which is a bit disappointing, as getting such a big battery to 100% takes a notably long time in the era of super-fast charging smartphones. DuRoBo Moodi The Moodi is a standalone, optional accessory for your Krono. It is a wireless remote with two customizable buttons that you can use to flip pages, control media, or scroll webpages. The accessory connects via Bluetooth. Despite having a built-in rechargeable battery, it is extremely light. While the Moodi's shape and form factor is not what I would call particularly ergonomic, it is not uncomfortable to hold and use. The Moodi comes with six removable magnetic buttons with various smiley faces. Buttons sit securely, and they have nice-feeling, albeit a little loud, clicks. It is a cute touch that adds a little more fun and character to the device. There is also an accented power button and a single status LED. The latter displays charging status and connection mode. The Moodi supports three modes: Reading: Buttons work as volume buttons, allowing you to flip pages in the built-in reader or other apps that support page turning with volume buttons. Media: Buttons work as skip forward/backward, which is useful when listening to audiobooks, podcasts, or music. Scroll: The third mode lets you scroll pages in the web browser or any other application The Krono properly detects the Moodi and presents you with an on-screen guide when you connect it for the first time (it also displays the battery level). However, you can only change modes by holding both buttons for a few seconds. It is also worth noting that the Moodi works with other devices. I connected it to my iPhone and it let me adjust volume or control media playback. Sadly, the scroll did not work, so you cannot use it to waste time scrolling TikToks. Overall, the Moodi is a cute little accessory, which I can recommend for those who read a lot. It is very useful for remote page flipping when you do not want to burden your hands by holding the Krono all the time. I only wish DuRoBo included a lanyard for the built-in loop. As for the battery life, after using the Moodi for a few days, I only managed to drop several percent of its 90 mAh battery. Despite the small size, it is rated for weeks of use, which is pretty impressive. At $35.99, I cannot say the Moodi is a must-have accessory, but I see the appeal. I prefer using the Krono with its Smart Dial, as I rarely read for more than 40-60 minutes in one sitting. However, if you have a stand and like reading for long periods, the Moodi is the right thing to have. It is a bit more expensive than regular page flippers on Amazon, but it is on par with similar products from Kobo or BOOX. Plus, it has a little more fun to it with removable buttons and better integration into the Krono. Conclusion At the end of the day, DuRoBo Krono is a nice pocket-sized e-reader. Its software focuses on the main things without trying to be everything at once. The smart dial idea is unique and great, and I wish more manufacturers had something similar in their devices. The display is also good, with an even frontlight and "always-on" support. I did not notice any deal-breaking issues with the Krono. However, you can feel that the idea needs some improvements, such as a slightly stiffer dial in a more ergonomic location, perhaps a little more premium materials, and better software customization. I hope the company won't give up on the idea and improve the dial and ergonomics in the second generation. Buy DuRoBo Krono Black - $279.99 on Amazon Buy DuRoBo Krono White - $279.99 on Amazon Buy DuRoBo Moodi - $35.99 on Amazon As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
    • In what way is any of what I said incorrect? To install an update you need to close all browser instances, upping it from once a month to once a fortnight is an inconvenience for users. Particularly when updates don't offer functionality that users want (notably copilot). Security updates should come as they are needed, not on a release schedule
    • Dopamine 3.0.6 by Razvan Serea Dopamine is an awesome free audio player which tries to make organizing and listening to music as simple and pretty as possible. Dopamine has been designed for Windows 7, Windows 8.x and Windows 10 and plays mp3, ogg vorbis, flac, wma and m4a/aac music formats quite well. The best part? It's created by long-time Neowin member, Raphaël Godart. If you’re looking for a music player to handle a large music collection, you should definitely give Dopamine a try. Dopamine 3.0.6 changelog: Fixed Manually edited album covers are overwritten on the next collection refresh Fixed AppImage package not working on modern GNU/Linux distributions Deleting song from playlist sometimes fails Playback controls only work when clicking on upper half of the buttons It's unclear that files must be tagged with an external ReplayGain scanner (for example rsgain) before normalization can take effect. Change to Artist or Album tags is not reflected in the song list view nor in the Now Playing information ReplayGain issues Smart playlist filters ignore text containing accents or other special characters Some MP3 files trigger an "MPEG header not found" error due to a too-narrow initial MPEG header scan range Changed Updated the Vietnamese translation Download: Dopamine 3.0.6 | 122.0 MB (Open Source) Links: Home Page | Forum Discussion | Screenshot | Other OSes Get alerted to all of our Software updates on Twitter at @NeowinSoftware
  • Recent Achievements

    • One Month Later
      AndreaB earned a badge
      One Month Later
    • One Month Later
      agatameier earned a badge
      One Month Later
    • Week One Done
      agatameier earned a badge
      Week One Done
    • Week One Done
      ssd21345 earned a badge
      Week One Done
    • Contributor
      MarkHughes4096 went up a rank
      Contributor
  • Popular Contributors

    1. 1
      +primortal
      518
    2. 2
      +Edouard
      195
    3. 3
      PsYcHoKiLLa
      147
    4. 4
      ATLien_0
      96
    5. 5
      Steven P.
      77
  • Tell a friend

    Love Neowin? Tell a friend!