[BREAKING] Apple V. Samsung Jury reaches verdict.

[evo_spook]

Samsung lost quite rightly Boz, get over it.

[TheElite]

Samsung lost quite rightly Boz, get over it.

Yep, Samsung lost the way we expected them to. By Apple using dirty tactics.

[+Fahim S. MVC]

This is about a ruling that was influenced by a single juror. I don't see how you can't see a problem.

I assume that you've never been on a jury? I have (legal requirement in the UK for every citizen over the age of 18 is available for jury duty) and that's the way it works - in fact in any gathering of any description, natural leaders emerge - it's just a fact of life.

[evo_spook]

Yep, Samsung lost the way we expected them to. By Apple using dirty tactics.

Look, from the reports, Samsung was dirty, as a business and in this court case, they are not innocent, you can't complain about bias, when you're up to your neck in it.

[Boz]

I assume that you've never been on a jury? I have (legal requirement in the UK for every citizen over the age of 18 is available for jury duty) and that's the way it works - in fact in any gathering of any description, natural leaders emerge - it's just a fact of life.

listen.. I'm 36 (you are younger judging from your profile so it's ironic you teaching me anything).. and yes in the states we have jury duty too. It's not a fact of life that one guy takes over and tells the jury what to vote and has clear cut conflict of interest. Jury lead by foreman wasn't even listening to Samsung's evidence because they have already decided from the start they were guilty. There was PLENTY of evidence that showed prior art and they just didn't register it at all. And this is not an opinion. It's the quotes of the jurors and the foreman.

That fact of life you call, in a legal case is called mistrial.

This thing is ripe for mistrial. Let's hope Samsung takes all of these statements at influenced jury and conflict of self-interest in appeal and invalidates this whole theatrical show called a trial where there was zero objectivity and was decided by one guy who had vested interest in upholding Apple's patents.

[+Fahim S. MVC]

listen.. I'm 36 (you are much much younger judging from your profile so it's ironic you teaching me anything).. and yes in the states we have jury duty too. It's not a fact of life that one guy takes over and tells the jury what to vote and has clear cut conflict of interest. Jury lead by foreman wasn't even listening to Samsung's evidence because they have already decided from the start they were guilty.

That fact of life you call, in a legal case is called mistrial.

This thing is ripe for mistrial.

I wouldn't say 2 years is much older than me. Now, enough of the I'm older therefore wiser tone that you seem to be carrying.

Secondly, I'd be very surprised if every jury in the world didn't work like this. My experience of jury duty suggests this is exactly how they work.

You may have jury duty in that US, but have you ever been? I want to know because you seem to display a utopian view of how juries should work, rather than a realistic view of how they DO actually work.

[Xerxes]

I got a question. How is it that BF Goodrich, Yokohama, Dunlop, Hankook, etc...can all make a round...16/17/18/19/20 inch object that is black in color, has a tread, fits on another round object, and from 4 feet away cannot be told apart from another, and yet they don't get sued?

Simple, there is only one way to make a tyre. The only variable they can change is the tread pattern and the rest is an industry standard that they must comply with. Mobile phones do not need to be rectangular with rounded corners, it's not an industry standard. There are no design guidelines or rules that must be followed by the companies wanting to make mobile phones. So is different, not the same situation.

[FloatingFatMan]

Samsung lost quite rightly Boz, get over it.

Not if even one of those claims are true, they didn't.

And there IS clear prior art. I can't fathom just how that was ignored unless there was a bias.

EDIT: This trial should never have been held in a region dependant on Apple. They were NEVER going to be an impartial jury.

[Boz]

Samsung lost quite rightly Boz, get over it.

From the facts that are popping up, that doesn't seem to be the case at all.

This is Samsung's problem though. I don't think this trial will stop Android innovating and outdoing Apple/iPhone in any case. Most of the things in this trial are already differentiated in Android.

This is more about having an objective and proper courts and justice system that admits prior art and not have one biased juror who leads everyone else on a sole crusade to protect his own patents.

I guess we will see what happens in appeals because with all the facts that are popping up from the blunt admissions from the foreman and other jurors and how they reached the verdict Samsung has a great case in appeals and will most likely take it all the way to the Supreme Court.

And btw, can't wait for Google / Apple trial for the 7 + 1 patents Apple stole. Curious to see how "rightly" you will feel about Apple stealing those if their products get banned in US.

[Boz]

EDIT: This trial should never have been held in a region dependant on Apple. They were NEVER going to be an impartial jury.

This is also something that boggles the mind. How in the hell is a jury going to impartial from Cupertino where this whole region depends on Apple. It's mind boggling but I guess that's why Apple filed the lawsuit there.

[evo_spook]

Boz, you will grasp at anything and everything now, if it had gone Samsung's way you be parroting how it was a perfect legal trial, look things don't always turn out how you want it to.

[xeleraph]

Boz, you will grasp at anything and everything now, if it had gone Samsung's way you be parroting how it was a perfect legal trial, look things don't always turn out how you want it to.

He might, and then it's up to the facts to prove him wrong. From all the juicy tidbits that are leaking out though, he has a point. If you believe he's so biased and the facts don't back him up, why don't you refute his arguments instead of just slinging ad hominem arguments?

[evo_spook]

He might, and then it's up to the facts to prove him wrong. From all the juicy tidbits that are leaking out though, he has a point. If you believe he's so biased and the facts don't back him up, why don't you refute his arguments instead of just slinging ad hominem arguments?

You don't think Boz is biased in anyway!! :o :o :o WOW

Wheres the ad hom? You think calling the jurors all idiots and insulting them cause they didn't give him the verdict he wanted is decent?

People are making the facts to be what they want them to be, they was claiming bias by the judge earlier totally ignoring it was Samsungs lawyers that kept screwing up.

[xeleraph]

You don't think Boz is biased in anyway!! :o :o :o WOW

Wheres the ad hom? You think calling the jurors all idiots and insulting them cause they didn't give him the verdict he wanted is decent?

People are making the facts to be what they want them to be, they was claiming bias by the judge earlier totally ignoring it was Samsungs lawyers that kept screwing up.

I think Boz is biased - but as they say, even a broken clock is right twice a day.

I don't see him insulting the jurors. I see him posting articles and evidence on how the jury didn't do their job as they should have. If you want to call out his bias, try refuting the facts instead of just calling him names. People might take you more seriously if you have any substance to offer; just a suggestion.

[Digi Justicer]

I've made a drawing looking like this:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_7BMMEPflH2I/Rsscz4xbBUI/AAAAAAAABDU/tabrqqIdZ2s/s400/2.jpg

How much should I pay Apple now? Will they sue me too?

[evo_spook]

People might take you more seriously if you have any substance to offer; just a suggestion.

I've long stopped taking Boz seriously, there is no point discussing.

You must have missed it then, here is the quote "You can't have important things like this that affect the whole patent system decided on by a bunch of idiots half of which don't even have a smartphone."

How does having or not having a smartphone in anyway be a judge of a person?

[Vice]

I've long stopped taking Boz seriously, there is no point discussing.

You must have missed it then, here is the quote "You can't have important things like this that affect the whole patent system decided on by a bunch of idiots half of which don't even have a smartphone."

How does having or not having a smartphone in anyway be a judge of a person?

HD-DVD is the superior format and you know it! :rofl:

[.Neo]

HD-DVD is the superior format and you know it! :rofl:

Gave me a really good laugh. Thanks for that! (Y)

[Azies]

Apple really needs to stop this anti-competitive strong arming, unfortunately people are too stupid to NOT buy from Apple, when their products are ****, their business practices are ****, and they overcharge for their ****.

[Vice]

Apple really needs to stop this anti-competitive strong arming, unfortunately people are too stupid to NOT buy from Apple, when their products are ****, their business practices are ****, and they overcharge for their ****.

[Hardcore Til I Die]

Everybody needs to stop posting about stuff they have NO CLUE about, you look like idiots.

Nobody here sat through the entire trial and heard all of the evidence, therefore your opinion on the outcome of the trial means diddly squat.

Give it a rest.

[.Neo]

This is also something that boggles the mind. How in the hell is a jury going to impartial from Cupertino where this whole region depends on Apple. It's mind boggling but I guess that's why Apple filed the lawsuit there.

Your whole jury system is the only thing that boggles the mind really. Obviously companies are going to exploit it.

[szo]

Apple really needs to stop this anti-competitive strong arming, unfortunately people are too stupid to NOT buy from Apple, when their products are ****, their business practices are ****, and they overcharge for their ****.

Yes, there are a lot of stupid people using Apple products! /s Tell that to the thousands of engineers and designers working at Apple, Google, Facebook, Twitter, and thousands of startups in silicon valley and many other places. Heck, go to to Google I/O and you'll see tons of engineers using Macbooks. Are they stupid as you claim? You do realize that some people prefer OS X and iOS and prefer Apple's products. Apple can charge whatever price they want because there is demand for their products. Lately prices for phones and tablets are similar with that of Samsung's prices. Regarding business practices, almost all of your beloved hardware companies make their gadgets through the assembly lines in china. You just recently started hearing more about Apple/Foxconn, because Apple bashing has become popular. Even Samsung was recently ridiculed for their bad labor practices. This doesn't make it in anyways alright, but all of the companies are improving their labor practices.

[ichi]

I've long stopped taking Boz seriously, there is no point discussing.

You must have missed it then, here is the quote "You can't have important things like this that affect the whole patent system decided on by a bunch of idiots half of which don't even have a smartphone."

How does having or not having a smartphone in anyway be a judge of a person?

Selective quoting the biased stuff that doesn't make sense while completely ignoring every other single point that does, right? ;)

If you wan't to avoid Boz's bias you can go straight here, read the trial issues and discuss.

[fehu]

I've made a drawing looking like this:

http://4.bp.blogspot...dZ2s/s400/2.jpg

How much should I pay Apple now? Will they sue me too?

Only if you sell more phone than them