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if all you did with the start menu is to open it and search your computer then i dont understand your problem.

either click in the lower left corner and just start typing for a search, or press windows key and start typing. not really that hard :-S

metro apps suck imo, they take way to long to load and i dont use them expect the skype and leo app. especially leo is great if snapped to the side of the monitor if you need to do some frequent translations.

As for the start screen, my frequently used applications are pinned to it and i find it alot easier to get to them then in windows 7 or before

It does take some time to get used to using. I only used it off and on since March, but since it was officially released I've used to constantly on my desktop and overall it has been a pleasure to use. Once you "force" yourself to do more with the Modern UI, you find out how easy it is to use. There are some things I still need to do on the desktop, but that should change as better apps are released.

I was concerned if MS made the right move, but after using it regularly, that is a definite yes.

No start8 here, that's going back to the past, but Decor8 is an awesome program.

I don't see why so many people have a hard time with this. It took me all of about 30 seconds to get used to it. You still move to the bottom left, you still click something that says "Start", just instead of it being desktop + start, the start fills your screen. IMO, this is actually better because you can see MORE apps on the screen.

The only area of contention is the metro tiles, im getting used to them, but other than that 8 is so much better for me that I hate using 7 on my work laptop. If it takes you more than 5- 10 minutes to get used to 8, you probably are too old to grasp new things...

That's what I don't understand, Microsoft.

Why not give users who shelled out their own hard-earned money for Windows 8, a choice -- Metro or the 'classic' Start button ?

'Different' is not always better.

Because the start menu was an outdated part of the operating system. https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1081755-do-you-like-or-hate-windows-8/page__view__findpost__p__595048551

As for the thread starter, I wouldn't bother with a start menu replacement. Just use the start page, for me it works almost identical to the start menu. I open it (usually using the start button on my keyboard) and start typing to launch a program. I don't use many metro apps and don't bother with the live tiles.

How much time it took you to adjust to windows 8?

not possible

That's what I don't understand, Microsoft.

Why not give users who shelled out their own hard-earned money for Windows 8, a choice -- Metro or the 'classic' Start button ?

'Different' is not always better.

excactly if windows 8 had a start menu and users had a choice, it would have a lot more positive launch.

About 5 minutes, the only time I used the start menu was to open explorer (which I now do on Windows 8 using Win + E) and starting an app via Win -> Type -> Enter (which can still be done on Windows 8). I never use metro apps though.

I've been using it for a week now and I still feel pretty much lost.

I miss the start menu! All I did there is used the search and click My Computer but I keep going to the corner of the screen searching for it.

Metro is ..idk, not for me. Why the apps takes a few seconds to load? Sure, every application we use takes a few seconds to load but with metro the stupid splash screen stops me from doing any thing else. It's like metro takes me to a completely other place in windows with its full screen etc' and i don't like it. Makes me feel disconnected.

This is hilarious. The first two pages of replies to this post were people giving alternatives to what Windows 8 really is, or ways to get around the Start Screen. And yet on other areas of the forum if you say something bad about Windows 8, you'll get absolutely railed. I'm posting this from a Win8 PC, which i mostly dislike. But I'm like the OP: It still just doesn't seem like any improvement (except for faster boot times, perhaps)

Because the start menu was an outdated part of the operating system. http://www.neowin.ne...t__p__595048551

I'm not starting a flame war or mentioning the start menu but by your logic it's time to get rid of cars becuase they're an outdated part of travel. And graphics because they're an outdated part of seeing things. Heck, let's get rid of toilets because they're an outdated part of everyday life.

I'm not starting a flame war or mentioning the start menu but by your logic it's time to get rid of cars becuase they're an outdated part of travel. And graphics because they're an outdated part of seeing things. Heck, let's get rid of toilets because they're an outdated part of everyday life.

The toilets and cars analogies don't work for me.

As for the start menu being outdated did you read the link I posted? Basically said the start menu was so outdated that it wasn't compatible with recent technologies that they wanted in Win 8.

And yet, with all the technological difficulties, they managed to put it in the preview but not in the RTM ?

The start menu wasn't in the preview, the code for the start menu was still available as you can't just remove something like the start menu without major testing which is why you were able to apply a hack to get it back.

And yet, with all the technological difficulties, they managed to put it in the preview but not in the RTM ?

You said it wrong.. They hadn't removed it fully in the preview. It completely reverted the entire Explorer shell to put the start bar back. You lost single dialogue copy, ribboned browsing etc etc.

You didn't just bring back the start bar, you brought back the entire older shell.

The toilets and cars analogies don't work for me.

As for the start menu being outdated did you read the link I posted? Basically said the start menu was so outdated that it wasn't compatible with recent technologies that they wanted in Win 8.

haha, and yet all the start menu replacements apps proof excact opositive, start menu can and does work great, truth is MS wants to force millions of people to use their pathetic app store, force them to use tablet/phone apps, force them to get used to square metro interface in hopes that more people will buy their insignifican phone platform that has only 5-6% market share.

Don't care if it has a start button or not, it still will not replace Windows 7 till MS fix the issues.

I am finding Windows 8 a very broken OS for mouse and keyboard use.

Unsupported file formats, having to resort to the command line to make network links just to be able to play music and then have it fail .Along with a few other things.

Has the feeling of a console with an OS running in the background, this needs to be reversed.

Not as much as a disaster as expected but still a major headache.

I'm not stressing I'll continue to dual boot till I'm happy to switch permanently.

I am finding Windows 8 a very broken OS for mouse and keyboard use.

Unsupported file formats, having to resort to the command line to make network links just to be able to play music and then have it fail .Along with a few other things.

Mouse and keyboard use works just the same as within all previous Windows releases, same goes for file formats, there is no compatibility lost when it comes to what is supported.... So I'm not exactly sure why you would be having any issues...

haha, and yet all the start menu replacements apps proof excact opositive, start menu can and does work great, truth is MS wants to force millions of people to use their pathetic app store, force them to use tablet/phone apps, force them to get used to square metro interface in hopes that more people will buy their insignifican phone platform that has only 5-6% market share.

When exactly did I say the start menu didn't work???

What I said was the start menu wasn't compatible with the newer technologies that MIcrosoft wanted to use.

Sure they could have kept the start menu and re-wrote it to be compatible but they wanted to use the same codebase on both their tablets and desktop which is why we've got the start page.

It works almost identically to the start menu for me, in both Windows 7 and Windows 8 I open them with the Windows key and start typing for the program I'm looking for and launch it using the arrow keys and enter.

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