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Mouse and keyboard use works just the same as within all previous Windows releases, same goes for file formats, there is no compatibility lost when it comes to what is supported.... So I'm not exactly sure why you would be having any issues...

Well you obviously haven't visited the MS support forums lately.

Just because it works for you it doesn't automatically mean it works for everyone else.

the worst part of the start screen is that it's not a replacement for the start menu, it's a replacement for the desktop.

Nope. It's a start menu replacement with a built-in notification system.

The desktop is still the desktop.

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took me an hour to configure all i need. i use the start menu as a replacement only. i got my programs pinned there and thats about it. i am 99% in a desktop program so nothing has really changed for me. when i make a search i just hit the windows key on the keyboard and start typing. how much easier could it be?

plus the start menu kinda looks pretty

i even prefer now the slick and clear windows frames etc... not missing the aero looks at all.

the performance is excellent, stability is excellent, internet explorer is very fast and snappy. all drivers installed automatically

so really - i have no issues with windows 8. it just works perfectly.

i wish all had the same experience. got a problem to solve? ill gladly help.

edit: there is 1 thing that gets on my nerves. when i do a search in the start menu, it does not display all results, only the results of the categories on the right side. apps, settings, files. i wish the search results would show all 3 at once. there is enough space on the screen....

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Personally, I've had a much easier time adapting to Win8 than I expected to. I'd used the preview, and even installed a trial of Start8 on it (which is excellent, and if you really need a Start menu it's only $4.99). By the time I'd installed on my own machine, I took the attitude of "aw, screw it, I'll use it as built and see how long it takes for me to want to throw my laptop across the room..."

As it turns out, I'm pretty happy with it. One of my peeves with the preview was not knowing how to switch between apps; sure alt-tab worked, but it seemed weird. Now that I know that not only does alt-tab work, but mousing to the upper left corner gets my last app (or lets me close it with a right-click), I'm having a pretty easy time now.

I like some of the Metro apps, some not so much (Slacker's is awful; fortunately, the browser-based Slacker still works just fine on the desktop).

Well you obviously haven't visited the MS support forums lately.

Just because it works for you it doesn't automatically mean it works for everyone else.

and just because it doesn't work for you, doesn't mean it doesn't work for the rest of us.

Things i really don't like on win8 (maybe there's a quick solution that i'm not aware of)

1. search - going to start, typing "windows upd" no results. I need to type "windows upd" and click on a diff catagory or "windows upd" and press down twice. stupid.

2. I installed office and i want to pin Word, Powerp etc' to my Taskbar. How can i pin something to the taskbar that is on the metro screen? I had to click on the app i wanted in the metro screen, find file location, and from there dragging it to the taskbar.

I also had a few stability issues. No BSODs but my system froze completely. I don't know exactly what's the cause , when i got home from work my screens won't wake up to a key stroke or mouse moment but i could hear the fans working.

The search on the start page is the only thing that bugs me to. The only thing I miss from having Start8 installed.

What bugs you about it? hit Winkey, start typing... = results. I can't see how it could be easier but i'm willing to hear how?

What bugs you about it? hit Winkey, start typing... = results. I can't see how it could be easier but i'm willing to hear how?

Because when you search it splits the search results into files, settings and apps.

I would prefer it if all results from my machine matching the search were returned like the old start menu did.

Things i really don't like on win8 (maybe there's a quick solution that i'm not aware of)

1. search - going to start, typing "windows upd" no results. I need to type "windows upd" and click on a diff catagory or "windows upd" and press down twice. stupid.

2. I installed office and i want to pin Word, Powerp etc' to my Taskbar. How can i pin something to the taskbar that is on the metro screen? I had to click on the app i wanted in the metro screen, find file location, and from there dragging it to the taskbar.

I also had a few stability issues. No BSODs but my system froze completely. I don't know exactly what's the cause , when i got home from work my screens won't wake up to a key stroke or mouse moment but i could hear the fans working.

When you right click on something (apart from metro apps) there should be an option to pin to taskbar shows up at the bottom (along with remove, uninstall etc)

Things i really don't like on win8 (maybe there's a quick solution that i'm not aware of)

1. search - going to start, typing "windows upd" no results. I need to type "windows upd" and click on a different category or "windows upd" and press down twice to be on settings. stupid.

Because when you search it splits the search results into files, settings and apps.

I would prefer it if all results from my machine matching the search were returned like the old start menu did.

Even though i like it like that, i can see why some users would be annoyed by it.

When you right click on something (apart from metro apps) there should be an option to pin to taskbar shows up at the bottom (along with remove, uninstall etc)

Ummm, i must be missing the point here as there is a 'pin to taskbar' option.

Didn't take me long to get used to 8. Got the apps I use pinned and I like that it splits search results on the start screen. I admittedly don't use the metro apps, but I'm willing to give them a try

Nope. It's a start menu replacement with a built-in notification system.

The desktop is still the desktop.

I never said that that the desktop isn't there. but if you look at the design of the start screen you could fundamentally skip the desktop, windows explorer, and have no need for the old start menu. This is quite simply replacing Launchpad, apple store, dashboard, and mission control with a fully functional implementation of iOS. Sure the desktop is still there but at the end of the day it's two completely different and independent systems operating side by side and switching between the two would become inevitable.

Things i really don't like on win8 (maybe there's a quick solution that i'm not aware of)

1. search - going to start, typing "windows upd" no results. I need to type "windows upd" and click on a diff catagory or "windows upd" and press down twice. stupid.

2. I installed office and i want to pin Word, Powerp etc' to my Taskbar. How can i pin something to the taskbar that is on the metro screen? I had to click on the app i wanted in the metro screen, find file location, and from there dragging it to the taskbar.

I also had a few stability issues. No BSODs but my system froze completely. I don't know exactly what's the cause , when i got home from work my screens won't wake up to a key stroke or mouse moment but i could hear the fans working.

Don't know if it helps, but if you are on the desktop and right click on the Action Center icon (the little flag) you can select Windows Update from there. Nice and quick.

And you can add desktop apps that are pinned to your start menu to the task bar simply by right clicking on them and then selecting Add to task bar

Hope this helps

Now I always rightclicking everywhere in osx's safari when I want to change or close a tab (IE Metro reflex) :laugh:

Microsoft really went overboard there, as far as I'm concerned. The amount of right-clicking you have to do in Metro just to constantly get the UI back into view is incredible.

Neowinian, I have a G560 and cannot update to Windows 8 Pro. The website indicates it is not compatible yet you indicated you were successful. Please advise how. I have tried everything with no success

I have successfully installed Windows 8 Pro on my Lenovo G560.

You could download all the drivers for G560 here:

http://download.lenovo.com/lenovo/content/ddfm/G560.html

Make sure you download Windows 8 drivers, since the webpage gives drivers for W7 and XP as well. Cheers! :)

I'm trying to right click a file, "send to" -> email but getting an error that there is no default mail app installed (but the metro one is installed..). Anyone knows how to set it to work with the default metro mail app?

You could try a couple of things:

1. Install Windows Live Mail on your desktop (I use it for my default email program), then you will not have that above problem. Also, it will sync with your Mail app seamlessly.

2. Or go to "Default Programs" and choose "Mail" app as your default program, and click "set this program as default" then clock "OK." This might work, but I am not sure.

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