dc Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)

[George P Global Moderator]

1 hour ago, President Devil said:

I won't spoil too much for everyone.

I have to say, I was wrong about Ben Affleck, he actually makes a killer Batman and played the part perfectly. I actually want to see more of that.

Jesse Eisenberg's acting sucked, he would have made a better Joker.

The action in this movie is truly top notch, but the story falls apart. It tried to put too much into one film and it sacrified the coherence IMO.
I also don't know how they want to continue with the Justice League after how it ended.

Oh well, at least we got to see Amy Adams' wet boobies. Wonder Woman...meh.

 

I have a few ideas of how they'll continue it, even with that ending, i don't want to go into spoilers yet either though.

[LOC Veteran]

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I think they are doing Injustice. If they are, ugh.

 

[George P Global Moderator]

1 hour ago, LOC said:

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I think they are doing Injustice. If they are, ugh.

 

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 That's what some think but i don't believe so, not fully. First off for injustice to work Louis has to die, but she didn't, superman "died". If you've ever seen the animated superman doomsday movie, it covers this type of event pretty well, it's worth seeing.  Instead of messing with parallel worlds like injustice i think we're just going to get your typical flash time travel at work, that's what i believe they did, flash showing up this way just changed a possible injustice type future that batman sees.

 

Also people talk about Lex and why he does this whole thing, they don't go into detail but i think the last scene with batman and him flipping the painting around might be hinting that he somehow knows about darkseid and the perademons, killing superman might have been part of some deal made?  It's a bit of a stretch but the hints are there and he has all this info about metahumans etc. I think the JL movie will tie back to this quite a bit and fill in the gaps, we just have to wait for it now.

 

[Boo Berry]

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I'm Batman.

 

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13 minutes ago, Boo Berry said:

Here's a spoiler for you...

 

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I'm Batman.

 

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[Syanide]

Saw it today. For me it was better than Man of Steel. I mean, it's big, loud, and dumb, but at least the action doesn't leave you wanting to kill yourself just so you can make it stop. It's better in that regard, but yeah, not much else to write home about. I did feel sorry for the kids in the cinema, Jesus, they don't have Batman and Superman anymore, they have utterly violent psychopaths instead.  There were also some parents with really small kids (and I mean really small, like three year old), who deserve to be sterilized. The couple near me spent the first half of the movie actively trying to distract their kid from watching the screen, because of the content on it: deaths, murders, point blank executions, jump scares. They moved to some empty seats luckily so they weren't that annoying, and the kid must have fallen asleep after a while, so it probably won't be traumatized, but that was some grade A parenting right there.

[George P Global Moderator]

Scary is always what batman has went for, using fear etc. Past movies never got there though, this one does it better, and the character always hurt the bad guys, a lot, if a few arms don't get broken in a batman fight then it's not close.

[+DoctorD Subscriber²]

It was a really good movie that had to much stuffed into it, it was 2 separate story arcs stuffed into one film.

[Innervisions33]

After seeing it a 2nd time over the weekend, I think it's better than my initial reaction.  With that said, it could have been epic and only ended up being good.  

 

It's good, but it's not The Dark Knight/Batman '89 great.

 

I look forward to seeing it one more time, though.

[TruckWEB]

Saw it last night, think it's so-so, was too long at 2h31.  Preferred Man Of Steel and the Bale trilogy of Batman.

 

And Wonder Woman, just to "plug her in" the DC world for a next movie?  She added nothing to the story.  Lois was just running around in this one.  And I never imagined that Lex Luthor would be that young and that "crazy".  A vilain yes, but more of a serious one.  This Lex had a "joker" undertone.  The surprise in this movie is Ben Affleck, he did a good job as Batman.

 

I give it a 6/10...  And I'm feeling generous.

 

[Dashel]

 Doomsday was a lot better than I expected.  Enjoyed it!  While I agree  it didn't pickup a good rhythm until the party scene or so and was disjointed at times, I was never bored.  I think it may have worked better if he would have stayed in one backstory for B/S at a time instead of flopping back and forth to subplots for each.

 

I think the only thing I truly disliked was they way they setup the title match and Lex in general.    Loved WW's unveiling.  Snyder once again nails the visual presentation.  You also can't put a price on how many iconic images Snyder was able to integrate.  Many may not like Snyder, but Miller clearly sees something in him and I think that trust has been rewarded for the third time.  I don't think there is anyone better at moving the comic format to the big screen. 

 

Still not sure about the Flash and I think Momoa's appearance was easily the cheesiest part of the film.

[Above The Gods]

I gave the film 7/10.

 

Jesse Eisenberg and Lex Luther sucked. Why anyone believe his role was brilliant is beyond me. He's trying to be a joker knockoff and it came off as very inauthentic. The script for his character sucked and he as an actor sucked.

 

That being said, batman was great. The best person in this move.  I never liked Ben Affleck as a person (because I hate liberal/socialist who worship government power), but he was very impressive. The move wasn't nearly as bad as the critics claimed on Rottentomato. They rated it in the 20s, while fans have it in the 70s. I wouldn't be surprised that if the fans weren't allowed to see critic ratings, they would have voted it closer to 80%.

[Syanide]

6 hours ago, George P said:

Scary is always what batman has went for, using fear etc. Past movies never got there though, this one does it better, and the character always hurt the bad guys, a lot, if a few arms don't get broken in a batman fight then it's not close.

I get what you're trying to say, Batman should be intimidating. This Batman wasn't scary in that way, he was a violent lunatic through and through. I used to play Batman and other heroes when I was a kid, because they were inspiring. I don't see many kids taking much inspiration from this one, other than to torture animals, possibly.

 

1 hour ago, Above The Gods said:

The move wasn't nearly as bad as the critics claimed on Rottentomato. They rated it in the 20s, while fans have it in the 70s. I wouldn't be surprised that if the fans weren't allowed to see critic ratings, they would have voted it closer to 80%.

That's not how RT ratings work. They're not rating the movie 20/100, it just means that 20-30% or whatever of the critics rated the movie positively, while the rest rated it negatively. The true rating is around 5/10, which sounds about right. I'd give it a 6.

[EmuZombie Veteran]

On 3/24/2016 at 10:12 AM, Syanide said:

but one thing that completely turns me off from seeing it, is that Batman kills people. It kind of ruins the character, both in his relationship with Superman, but more importantly, it ruins his dynamic with the Joker. Batman's rule is the one thing that prevents him from being a complete lunatic, it's basically what separates him from the Joker.

 

 

I think that is exactly the point.   I will go into detail, these are minor spoilers.  They were shown in the trailers but a lot of people didn't make the connection or notice them, but just in case I will spoiler tag it anyway.

 

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Robin is (most likely) dead, killed by the Joker.  His suit is seen (on display in the bat cave) with the words "haha joke's on you Batman" spray painted on it.  A Wayne Financial tower is also shown destroyed by Superman.  Bruce already has lost it.  He was pushed over the edge by these events.  Batman is even now branding people with the Bat logo, further showing how far he has lost it.

 

Now, having seen the movie there are other examples shown that further support this conclusion, flash backs, dreams, ect.. I do however believe they could have done a better job setting this up.

 

For those that have seen the movie or don't care about spoilers, here is my spoiler ridden semi-short Monday morning thoughts about the movie:

 

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-The entire time spent setting up Batman against Superman could have been cut out and the movie would have been much better.  The opening scene with the Wayne tower being destroyed and Bruce witnessing the battle from the ground was more then enough to establish Bruce absolutely despises Superman.  

 

-The trailers gave away far too much, imagine the mystery and surprise we could have had if we had no idea Wonder Woman would be in the movie.

 

-In addition, the trailers even gave away Doomsday. There was no mystery as to what Lex was doing in the ship. 

 

-In fact, the entire movie was predictable from the trailers alone.  Batman and Superman fight because Superman destroyed a Wayne tower, but Doomsday shows up so they team up with Wonder Woman to fight it.   That's what we knew from the trailers and that's exactly what we got.  Like so many movies before it, if you have seen the trailer, you've seen the (best parts of the) movie. No sense in paying to see it anymore.

 

-Speaking the the ship... My biggest gripe about the entire movie... The ship just lets Lex become it's new commander, just like that.  Just because he is able to open the door?  The only security the entire Kryptonian ship has is a finger print scanner at the door?  One that can't even tell when you're using dead skin cells to fool it?  I guess the answer to this is "well the movie needed Lex to control the ship, so, why not?"

 

-The vision/dream of the future would make an awesome movie and looking back, I would have preferred that movie in place of this one.

 

-Martha Wayne, Martha Kent.  It just feels like a cop out to me...

 

 

 

 

 

Of course the biggest spoiler of all that you must not ever read unless you have seen the movie is this:

 

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-Batman does indeed make Superman bleed and I am glad there was an answer to that question.

 

 

 

All that being said, I actually did enjoy the movie and I hope the extended cut addresses at least some of the more obvious problems and plot holes.

[TruckWEB]

Also...

 

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Batman is at rage against Superman, thinking he's the reason for the death of many...  And then they fight, fight and fight until Superman tells him about Martha, he's here to kill Batman or else Lex will kill Martha, and then we see Batman/Bruce thinking about the grave of his own mother, Martha and BAM!  They are "friends".  Batman's gonna save Superman mother while he's going to fight Lex.  Wow, that did not take much for Batman to forget everything else....

 

[Above The Gods]

1 hour ago, Syanide said:

That's not how RT ratings work. They're not rating the movie 20/100, it just means that 20-30% or whatever of the critics rated the movie positively, while the rest rated it negatively. The true rating is around 5/10, which sounds about right. I'd give it a 6.

I honestly did not know that, and neither did many of my friends. If this is the case, they should change the rating system as it is misleading.

[George P Global Moderator]

2 hours ago, Syanide said:

I get what you're trying to say, Batman should be intimidating. This Batman wasn't scary in that way, he was a violent lunatic through and through. I used to play Batman and other heroes when I was a kid, because they were inspiring. I don't see many kids taking much inspiration from this one, other than to torture animals, possibly.

 

That's not how RT ratings work. They're not rating the movie 20/100, it just means that 20-30% or whatever of the critics rated the movie positively, while the rest rated it negatively. The true rating is around 5/10, which sounds about right. I'd give it a 6.

I'm sure there's a whole movie about why this batman is so far into the dark that the solo movie will answer i'm sure. But i believe bvs has all the hints in it that we need to figure out why. Also, the batman we're goimg to get after the events in bvs will be more of the traditional batman, the movie hints at this even more with the final few scenes. 

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1 hour ago, TruckWEB said:

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Batman is at rage against Superman, thinking he's the reason for the death of many...  And then they fight, fight and fight until Superman tells him about Martha, he's here to kill Batman or else Lex will kill Martha, and then we see Batman/Bruce thinking about the grave of his own mother, Martha and BAM!  They are "friends".  Batman's gonna save Superman mother while he's going to fight Lex.  Wow, that did not take much for Batman to forget everything else....

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Agreed, I didn't understand how they became "friends" so quickly.  I could understand Batman begrudgingly helping Superman given the circumstances, but if Batman truly blamed Superman for 1000s of deaths for all of the destruction he caused, I don't see Batman just brushing it all under the rug and calling them friends.

 

[George P Global Moderator]

1 hour ago, TruckWEB said:

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Batman is at rage against Superman, thinking he's the reason for the death of many...  And then they fight, fight and fight until Superman tells him about Martha, he's here to kill Batman or else Lex will kill Martha, and then we see Batman/Bruce thinking about the grave of his own mother, Martha and BAM!  They are "friends".  Batman's gonna save Superman mother while he's going to fight Lex.  Wow, that did not take much for Batman to forget everything else....

 

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Superman didn't go there planning to kill, or wanting to kill batman, he wants to talk, but this superman is also more human and not the perfect boyscout from before, he gets angry and starts to get physical with batman.  The whole mom bit was a great touch actually, it snapped batman back from where he was and was willing to go in this movie, he remembered why and what he's really suppose to do, it also shows him that superman is just another guy with a mom, not a "god", a dude from Kansas, 

 

The things Bruce says to Diana at the end and the fact he doesn't brand Lex shows he's snapped out of this rage/cruel mode he's in, probably after the events with Robin.

 

[Innervisions33]

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Agreed.  At some point during the "Martha" thing, he realizes that Lex is just playing both of them as pawns.  It may not be explicitly stated out to the viewer, but it's clear that's part of what happens and why they all of a sudden are buddy buddy.

Had there been better direction in this movie, they could have cut out some of the other junk and focused on that a bit so it didn't seem so "all of a sudden"

 

[EmuZombie Veteran]

Neowin exclusive!

Leaked original script has the following lines*

 

Batman:  Tell me, do you bleed?

Superman:  You mean, like your parents?

Batman: No, like your planet

 

*Not actually true

 

[Syanide]

2 hours ago, Above The Gods said:

I honestly did not know that, and neither did many of my friends. If this is the case, they should change the rating system as it is misleading.

Yeah, it's somewhat misleading. RT should only be used as an indicator of how many critics liked a movie, but not how much they like it.

 

1 hour ago, George P said:

I'm sure there's a whole movie about why this batman is so far into the dark that the solo movie will answer i'm sure. But i believe bvs has all the hints in it that we need to figure out why. Also, the batman we're goimg to get after the events in bvs will be more of the traditional batman, the movie hints at this even more with the final few scenes. 

Tbh, despite not being a fan of the tone of the movie, on purely action basis, this Batman was the best one we got on screen, and Affleck did a pretty great job as Bruce. A solo movie is the way to go, I just hope they let him direct it, and aim for a script that is focused on telling just one story.

[George P Global Moderator]

10 minutes ago, Syanide said:

Yeah, it's somewhat misleading. RT should only be used as an indicator of how many critics liked a movie, but not how much they like it.

 

Tbh, despite not being a fan of the tone of the movie, on purely action basis, this Batman was the best one we got on screen, and Affleck did a pretty great job as Bruce. A solo movie is the way to go, I just hope they let him direct it, and aim for a script that is focused on telling just one story.

The talk is that he's going to direct it, and as for script, i saw a post saying he's going to work with one of the writers behind some JL comics and other DC stuff, i'll have to look for the name again.

 

*edit*  I looked it up, it's Geoff Johns, he's worked on some great stuff.

[Xilo]

Probably the most disappointing movie in a while. Jarring scene cuts. Terrible dialogue. Horrible movie cast. Too long.

Edited March 29, 2016 by Xilo

[patseguin Global Moderator]

Just got back from the movie and I loved it. Not sure why everyone has to be so hyper critical and can't just enjoy a movie. Only issue I had was that Batman was ready to kill Superman with a spear until he finds out his mom has the same name then they are friends?