dc Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)

[DocM]

The idea of him having an Earth "mom" with the same name maybe. Humanizing.

 

That said, several of those scenes people are yammering about have parallels in the comics so the complainers are dancing on quicksand. 

[George P Global Moderator]

5 hours ago, DocM said:

The idea of him having an Earth "mom" with the same name maybe. Humanizing.

 

That said, several of those scenes people are yammering about have parallels in the comics so the complainers are dancing on quicksand. 

You're close, people don't get the whole mom bit, it's like it's something overly deep when it's simple, and in typical human nature when someone doesn't get something they hate it and ridicule it.

 

There mom's having the same name works for two reasons, but it's also not just because the names are the same.  Throughout the fight itself and the movie, superman is treated as anything but a human, batman keeps saying you're not a "man" as they fight.  The mom part makes him realize he's as human as the rest, not some perfect god. The names matching also serves to snap batman out of his deep rage mode, where he is ready to kill, he flashes back to that night and remembers what he's doing and why he started being batman.

 

We see this change more at the end with batmans final seen with Lex.

 

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The fact batman doesn't brand Lex at the end means he's gone back to what me know him as, not this "cruel"version that we start with.   

 

People moan about the fight as if it's pointless but not only does it setup things for the next movie, it develops both batman and supermans characters more, the first part for batman, and the later doomsday fight for superman.

[patseguin Global Moderator]

Great insight George, makes a lot of sense.

 

Any speculation on how Superman will return? I wasn't sure if he even would until the rising dirt at the Kant second of the movie. The sun can't reach him in a coffin to heal him right?

[+Mirumir Subscriber¹]

Is this movie set in an alternative universe from Batman Begins?

[George P Global Moderator]

3 hours ago, patseguin said:

Great insight George, makes a lot of sense.

 

Any speculation on how Superman will return? I wasn't sure if he even would until the rising dirt at the Kant second of the movie. The sun can't reach him in a coffin to heal him right?

I'm not quite sure how the next movie will do it, and if it'll be in JL1 or if we have to wait all the way till JL2 (I'm guessing superman will show up in the 3rd act of JL1 though).

 

The comics show different ways they can do it, so there's things they can pull from, like using tech to supercharge his cells with solar radiation etc, the movie hinted that he can come back if he's hit with enough sunlight.  The only question is who is going to figure it out, obvious choice would be batman but we'll have to wait and see.

[George P Global Moderator]

2 hours ago, Mirumir said:

Is this movie set in an alternative universe from Batman Begins?

Yes, Man of Steel, and now BvS are all in a new DC movie universe, the past Nolan batman movies are they're own thing.    I don't expect another batman begins type solo movie though, everyone knows the origin story, we don't need a whole movie about it.   I actually expect the next solo batman movie will cover events before BvS and show what happened to Robin, like the suit teases us, and why Batman in BvS is so cruel/angry etc.   I actually think they could use the killing joke as the bases for the next solo batman, it would explain so much as to why he acts the way he does in BvS.

[+Mirumir Subscriber¹]

51 minutes ago, George P said:

Yes, Man of Steel, and now BvS are all in a new DC movie universe, the past Nolan batman movies are they're own thing.    I don't expect another batman begins type solo movie though, everyone knows the origin story, we don't need a whole movie about it.   I actually expect the next solo batman movie will cover events before BvS and show what happened to Robin, like the suit teases us, and why Batman in BvS is so cruel/angry etc.   I actually think they could use the killing joke as the bases for the next solo batman, it would explain so much as to why he acts the way he does in BvS.

I just wish they were more consistent. For the first five minutes I was watching BvS, I kept on repeating to myself "this is all wrong". 

 

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He didn't fall into the cave on his parents' funeral and his experience there was dramatically different. 

 

 

[George P Global Moderator]

4 hours ago, Mirumir said:

I just wish they were more consistent. For the first five minutes I was watching BvS, I kept on repeating to myself "this is all wrong". 

 

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He didn't fall into the cave on his parents' funeral and his experience there was dramatically different. 

 

 

Those minor changes are ok imo, plus it was also a dream sequence.

 

That aside, as this is technically a Man of Steel sequel, it just passed that movies world wide box office total. It should end it's run around $900m - $1b world wide, it's at $683million right now.

[DocM]

20 hours ago, patseguin said:

Great insight George, makes a lot of sense.

 

Any speculation on how Superman will return? I wasn't sure if he even would until the rising dirt at the Kant second of the movie. The sun can't reach him in a coffin to heal him right?

 

20 hours ago, patseguin said:

 

 

Perhaps the "coffin" was hacked with birthing matrix tech, or see the "Death of Superman" arc where The Eradicator in disguise spirited him to the Fortress and placed him in a matrix to regenerate.

[Syanide]

On 3.4.2016. at 7:23 AM, DocM said:

The idea of him having an Earth "mom" with the same name maybe. Humanizing.

 

That said, several of those scenes people are yammering about have parallels in the comics so the complainers are dancing on quicksand. 

Man, I was certain you'd pull the "he killed before" card, but this is close enough Image from two weeks ago

 

[DocM]

Broken neck by kicking

Machine gun

 

 

 

[DocM]

Hanging by Batplane

 

Broken neck again

 

Etc etc etc

[DocM]

The ever popular acid vat

 

Roof toss

 

[Dashel]

DocM for the win.

 

Saw it again this weekend, enjoyed it even more the 2nd time.  I still can't believe people are taking the opening bat cave scene literally, call the Mythbusters.  Clearly the force needed to lift a human child would take 5 million bats which couldn't possibly fit in the shaft.

[LOC Veteran]

Also, I don't think bats would want to lift a child up out of a cave. I mean really, who would believe that was real?!

[Syanide]

Haha, people actually took the end of the well scene literally? For all the movie's problems (and there are a million to pick from), that one was obviously meant as being symbolic.

[George P Global Moderator]

The whole movie is full of symbolizim and lots of easter eggs, you have to watch it at least twice to catch them all.  And this whole batman killing people is becoming a tired argument, the characters have all evolved and developed differently over the decades and constant reboots we get.  And bad guys have been dropping left and right in the comics but also in every movie to date.

[Innervisions33]

1 hour ago, George P said:

The whole movie is full of symbolizim and lots of easter eggs, you have to watch it at least twice to catch them all.  

 

That's exactly why I will be seeing it again (3rd time) sometime in the next week.  

[monkeylove]

Average movie with significant problems in editing and character development.

 

[patseguin Global Moderator]

8 hours ago, monkeylove said:

Average movie with significant problems in editing and character development.

 

Editing problems? Like what?

[Draconian Guppy]

Did anyone else batman was dumbed down? 

Pardon my ignorance, but is this how it happened in the comics? Doe he really get played by lex?

[Syanide]

He's not the sharpest tool in the shed. One would think the world's greatest detective would look into Superman's background first before trying to murder the guy.

[Draconian Guppy]

3 minutes ago, Syanide said:

He's not the sharpest tool in the shed. One would think the world's greatest detective would look into Superman's background first before trying to murder the guy.

My point exactly, as i'm used to previous batman incarnations where he is 5 steps ahead of everyone (though please note, my references are movie only so...)

[Innervisions33]

^

 

But this is an older Batman, and one who isn't thinking straight after what occurred in Metropolis.  And he did look into the background... that's how he knew about how to kill him. 

[George P Global Moderator]

We'll have to wait for the solo batman movie to get even more detective work for batman.  BvS is more of a superman sequel, it just takes the time to introduce batman more, as a central figure of the JL along with WW and all the setup for future movies.