facebook 11 yo Boy (Legally) Hunts and Kills Rare Deer, His Prize? A Facebook Flame War.

[+LogicalApex MVC]

I object to fishing for sport. As for killing animals for food, I object to the concept but accept it as necessary until we can come up with artificial alternatives. As soon as we can produce meat without having to kill animals?something that is being worked on?we should transition to that.

At its core this viewpoint is a reflection of a key issue with mankind. We see ourselves as devoid of nature and not as creatures of nature who are also forced to exist within its walls...

 

Hunting is legal in most parts of the US to solve a real problem. Deer, and other animals that are regulated and hunted, pose a serious threat to humans and other animals if left unchecked. The reality is we've progressed to a point, for better or worse, where the natural predators to Deer, and other animals, have been either killed or pushed out due to their danger to humans. Without hunting to maintain population control you'll have the problem of deer overrunning areas. Regulated hunting is utilizing people's desire to hunt to provide a public service at essentially no cost to the society (the hunters pay for licenses, tags, weapons, gear, ammo, etc.).

 

But that wasn't the core of my response here. There is a growing movement where people see killing animals in any form as wrong and abhorrent behavior. They make the case, as you seem to be making, that taking a life is wrong in all cases and on all accounts. This sound good, but runs afoul of nature. It is humans working hard to paint ourselves as gods. Not as those subject to the rules and laws of nature, but instead only to making them. The reality of our universe, or at least that which we are currently aware, is that life has one eventual end, death. A lion which catches a Deer doesn't "put him down nicely" or any such nonsense. The lion eats the Deer alive bite by bite until the Deer has lost enough blood that he can't continue on. Death is brutal. Nature is brutal.

 

To further on... Not killing anything. Not doing any attempt to maintain population control is far more destructive to nature. If the population of anything runs rampant you'll be left with cascading problems in other parts of the ecosystem (such as over grazing, excess waste polluting water and land, attacks on humans as animals are forced to find more food sources due to exhausting their own supply, etc.).

 

We would be better off as a species if we saw ourselves as members of nature, as we are, and not as outsiders akin to gods.

[Skiver Veteran]

At its core this viewpoint is a reflection of a key issue with mankind. We see ourselves as devoid of nature and not as creatures of nature who are also forced to exist within its walls...

 

Hunting is legal in most parts of the US to solve a real problem. Deer, and other animals that are regulated and hunted, pose a serious threat to humans and other animals if left unchecked. The reality is we've progressed to a point, for better or worse, where the natural predators to Deer, and other animals, have been either killed or pushed out due to their danger to humans. Without hunting to maintain population control you'll have the problem of deer overrunning areas. Regulated hunting is utilizing people's desire to hunt to provide a public service at essentially no cost to the society (the hunters pay for licenses, tags, weapons, gear, ammo, etc.).

 

But that wasn't the core of my response here. There is a growing movement where people see killing animals in any form as wrong and abhorrent behavior. They make the case, as you seem to be making, that taking a life is wrong in all cases and on all accounts. This sound good, but runs afoul of nature. It is humans working hard to paint ourselves as gods. Not as those subject to the rules and laws of nature, but instead only to making them. The reality of our universe, or at least that which we are currently aware, is that life has one eventual end, death. A lion which catches a Deer doesn't "put him down nicely" or any such nonsense. The lion eats the Deer alive bite by bite until the Deer has lost enough blood that he can't continue on. Death is brutal. Nature is brutal.

 

To further on... Not killing anything. Not doing any attempt to maintain population control is far more destructive to nature. If the population of anything runs rampant you'll be left with cascading problems in other parts of the ecosystem (such as over grazing, excess waste polluting water and land, attacks on humans as animals are forced to find more food sources due to exhausting their own supply, etc.).

 

We would be better off as a species if we saw ourselves as members of nature, as we are, and not as outsiders akin to gods.

 

Beautifully put, give this man an award!

[trag3dy]

 

Ah, my bad.  I read the article and still missed that.

 

 

So why did theyarecomingforyou bring up guns in this thread?

 

Who can say for sure? He doesn't really seem to need a reason to post hateful things even though he tries to come across as enlightened. Especially when Americans or the US are involved.

[DocM]

Ah, my bad. I read the article and still missed that.

So why did theyarecomingforyou bring up guns in this thread?

That's what he does the first time anyone even peripherally mentions them, if they even mention them.

[SiCKX]

LOL, the Internet.

If you do anything and gets viral, an insane amount of armchair philosophers, scientists, social experts, religious leaders and all sorts connaisseurs appear to battle it out. :D Let the kid enjoy his RL trophy.

[DocM]

Agreed, and all that scrumptious venison.

[HawkMan]

In the end it doesn't matter which one had the better life. If it's for food or for sport, they wouldn't care either way.

 

so it doesn't matter if the animal gets to lead a nice and good life before it turns to dinner? well US chicken farmers must love you.

[game_over]

At its core this viewpoint is a reflection of a key issue with mankind. We see ourselves as devoid of nature and not as creatures of nature who are also forced to exist within its walls...

 

Hunting is legal in most parts of the US to solve a real problem. Deer, and other animals that are regulated and hunted, pose a serious threat to humans and other animals if left unchecked. The reality is we've progressed to a point, for better or worse, where the natural predators to Deer, and other animals, have been either killed or pushed out due to their danger to humans. Without hunting to maintain population control you'll have the problem of deer overrunning areas. Regulated hunting is utilizing people's desire to hunt to provide a public service at essentially no cost to the society (the hunters pay for licenses, tags, weapons, gear, ammo, etc.).

 

But that wasn't the core of my response here. There is a growing movement where people see killing animals in any form as wrong and abhorrent behavior. They make the case, as you seem to be making, that taking a life is wrong in all cases and on all accounts. This sound good, but runs afoul of nature. It is humans working hard to paint ourselves as gods. Not as those subject to the rules and laws of nature, but instead only to making them. The reality of our universe, or at least that which we are currently aware, is that life has one eventual end, death. A lion which catches a Deer doesn't "put him down nicely" or any such nonsense. The lion eats the Deer alive bite by bite until the Deer has lost enough blood that he can't continue on. Death is brutal. Nature is brutal.

 

To further on... Not killing anything. Not doing any attempt to maintain population control is far more destructive to nature. If the population of anything runs rampant you'll be left with cascading problems in other parts of the ecosystem (such as over grazing, excess waste polluting water and land, attacks on humans as animals are forced to find more food sources due to exhausting their own supply, etc.).

 

We would be better off as a species if we saw ourselves as members of nature, as we are, and not as outsiders akin to gods.

 

While this doesn't necessarily change my views i can't argue with what you have wrote.. that being said, an animals life is still a life and it's completely inappropriate for these people to post photos online like it's some sort of achievement. Killing animals should be a necessity not a right or a fun 'pasttime'

[trag3dy]

While this doesn't necessarily change my views i can't argue with what you have wrote.. that being said, an animals life is still a life and it's completely inappropriate for these people to post photos online like it's some sort of achievement. Killing animals should be a necessity not a right or a fun 'pasttime'

 

So you say. Others don't agree with you.

[adrynalyne]

While this doesn't necessarily change my views i can't argue with what you have wrote.. that being said, an animals life is still a life and it's completely inappropriate for these people to post photos online like it's some sort of achievement. Killing animals should be a necessity not a right or a fun 'pasttime'

So as long as they don't enjoy it, then its acceptable?

 

 

Mmmmk.

[+Random Stranger Subscriber¹]

Eating mass produced animals who are grown like veggetables, in horrible conditions, without movement and are often tortured...  is FAR worse then hunting!

Unless you are a vegeratian,  you have NO RIGHT to look down at hunting for food/cull and yes, even for sport.

There is also nothing wrong with being proud of it.    The animal got to live a real free life, at least.

 

 

So, either DO NOT eat meat.  Or stop whining that hunting is bad!   Animal plants (yes, they are plants, and not farm, in most mass produced meat) are the stuff of nightmares.  Hunting is not.

[techbeck]

There was an adult deer, albino, in Wisconsin that all the locals would not shoot/kill.  Then one day, an outsider came in and killed it.  No one would process the deer.

 

With that said, this albino deers chance of living a long life, is slim.  It would be easy prey for a hunter, or predator.

[theyarecomingforyou]

At its core this viewpoint is a reflection of a key issue with mankind. We see ourselves as devoid of nature and not as creatures of nature who are also forced to exist within its walls...

 

Hunting is legal in most parts of the US to solve a real problem. Deer, and other animals that are regulated and hunted, pose a serious threat to humans and other animals if left unchecked. The reality is we've progressed to a point, for better or worse, where the natural predators to Deer, and other animals, have been either killed or pushed out due to their danger to humans. Without hunting to maintain population control you'll have the problem of deer overrunning areas. Regulated hunting is utilizing people's desire to hunt to provide a public service at essentially no cost to the society (the hunters pay for licenses, tags, weapons, gear, ammo, etc.).

 

But that wasn't the core of my response here. There is a growing movement where people see killing animals in any form as wrong and abhorrent behavior. They make the case, as you seem to be making, that taking a life is wrong in all cases and on all accounts. This sound good, but runs afoul of nature. It is humans working hard to paint ourselves as gods. Not as those subject to the rules and laws of nature, but instead only to making them. The reality of our universe, or at least that which we are currently aware, is that life has one eventual end, death. A lion which catches a Deer doesn't "put him down nicely" or any such nonsense. The lion eats the Deer alive bite by bite until the Deer has lost enough blood that he can't continue on. Death is brutal. Nature is brutal.

 

To further on... Not killing anything. Not doing any attempt to maintain population control is far more destructive to nature. If the population of anything runs rampant you'll be left with cascading problems in other parts of the ecosystem (such as over grazing, excess waste polluting water and land, attacks on humans as animals are forced to find more food sources due to exhausting their own supply, etc.).

 

We would be better off as a species if we saw ourselves as members of nature, as we are, and not as outsiders akin to gods.

I understand where you're coming from but I object to the idea that humans should be free to kill any animal that is inconvenient, especially when it is done for entertainment. It's one thing to engage in culls to protect the environment, it's another to get kicks out of watching an animal die. Can you imagine if a dominant species came along and decided to do the same thing with humans? I mean, that's what dictators already do (i.e. genocides) and that's considered reprehensible - 'do unto others' and whatnot.

 

Rearing animals for meat is extremely bad for the environment and an inefficient use of the planet's limited resources. It is something that should be phased out at the earliest opportunity, for both moral and practical reasons. More should be done to encourage non-meat alternatives. Just because we have a history of killing and eating animals doesn't mean we should do so now. While I'm pragmatic about the role of meat in the food chain and am not a vegetarian myself I object when people kill animals for entertainment - I simply cannot relate to that behaviour, as I find it violent and incongruent with a supposedly civilised society.

[techbeck]

Eating mass produced animals who are grown like veggetables, in horrible conditions, without movement and are often tortured...  is FAR worse then hunting!

 

My sister stopped eating meat when my parents retired from the farm.  They were organic farmers.  She then had to start eating meat again a few years back (long story) but she buys her meat from the Amish...who are organic farmers.  And i can tell the difference between meat at the store, and meeting from organic farmers.  Taste, quality....much better from the Amish.

[NinjaGinger]

Killing an animal for fun/hobby. Not my idea of a good time but in Ameria, normal.

[techbeck]

Killing an animal for fun/hobby. Not my idea of a good time but in Ameria, normal.

 

Normal in many places/countries.  America is not special here.

[sbasil]

Nice! Is that in Sweden? My moose hunting season in Alaska ended in disappointment this year. They taunted me quite a bit, but I could never get a good shot on one or they didn't meet the legal requirements.

Nope, Finland. And darn, better luck next year. :-)

[DocM]

Moose is really good. So are antelope and bison.

[+Random Stranger Subscriber¹]

Moose is really good. So are antelope and bison.

 

Bison steak tartare. I can eat that every day for lunch with potatoes and be very happy :)

 

 

 

antelope?   i never ever had a chance to try? is it like deer venison?  or actually different?  moose is called venison too i think.

 

 

 

 

ps. i also love horse meat.  so haters gonna hate ;)

[adrynalyne]

 

 

 It's one thing to engage in culls to protect the environment, it's another to get kicks out of watching an animal die. Can you imagine if a dominant species came along and decided to do the same thing with humans? I mean, that's what dictators already do (i.e. genocides) and that's considered reprehensible - 'do unto others' and whatnot.

 

 

 

Nobody has said this.  Please do not create a strawman.

[DocM]

Bison steak tartare. I can eat that every day for lunch with potatoes and be very happy :)

antelope? i never ever had a chance to try? is it like deer venison? or actually different? moose is called venison too i think.

ps. i also love horse meat. so haters gonna hate ;)

Antelope (pronghorn) is a lean, tender, fine textured meat with a sweet undertone IF PROPERLY FIELD DRESSED and butchered. Very tasty.

I've had horse meat a few times, in Mexico and Canada, and enjoyed it. I understand its popular in parts of Europe too.

How about snake (especially rattlesnake), frogs legs and turtle? Those are quite tasty too, and we have some huge frog legs in the freezer.

[+Random Stranger Subscriber¹]

I've had horse meat a few times, in Mexico and Canada, and enjoyed it. I understand its popular in parts of Europe too.

 

 

France.  The only places in Canada that I have had house meat where French. The places in Canada had so many protests, and some were forced to close down for a while....

All this talk is making me want to go hunting. I have the rifle fire arm license and a general hunting license.   I just have to go find someone to go with, who can teach me, since last time I was at a hunt, I was 10 years old.  (I did not participate, but i was with the group of hunters. and we were hunting ducks)     best ducks i ever tasted too. 

 

Any hunters here in Ontario? 

[DocM]

Yup, same here.

[HawkMan]

 

Rearing animals for meat is extremely bad for the environment and an inefficient use of the planet's limited resources. 

 

 

Not as bad as you think, or as the climate people claim, but I believe we've had this discussion before. 

[daorbed9]

Instead of killing Live animals, I prefer my Kids at that age playing computer games!

Physical activity on the other-hand can be anything else, swimming, hiking,  outdoor games, etc. just not killing anything.

 

It's a good thing people kill animals for you so you don't have to.  You know burgers, spaghetti etc.  If you are vegan then ignore that ;).  Also before the modern age pretty much everyone hunted themselves.  Personally I wouldn't have killed it.  But I do know deer are a serious pest now.  They are causing fatal wrecks.  There is no natural predator and there are no hunting grounds left.  City's actually hire bow hunters to help curb the population.