Windows 10: New leaked screenshots reveal brand new UI for Settings; death of Control Panel?

[Dot Matrix]

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All that and not one shred of evidence that attributes ANYTHING to Live tiles.

[majortom1981]

Why are people complaining about alphas? Saying they shouldn't replace the control panel until they have a full replacement? Huh? They are working on it that's what alphas are you can't possibly say this till the final release. Don't download non public releases or alphas unless you want to see the progress.

[BajiRav]

100% agree. It's up to such a ridiculous level that aesthetics and pleasing colours are thrown down the gutter. Fugly and 1 tone icons are the new in-thing the hipsters at Microsoft care about.

Even the newer icon set we are starting to see in newer builds looks so old and tired. Pretty sure they are not placeholder icons. At most, they will be slightly tweaked before RTM.

Aesthetics and UI sexiness has never been Microsoft's fort?.

Why the ###### does anyone need pleasing icons in Settings/Control Panel? I wouldn't mind a text only Settings app similar to WP/iOS/Android. As long as it fits nicely with the rest of the UI, I wouldn't complain. The current CP doesn't fit either in W7 style or Metro. It needs some updates.

 

OSX has remained very similar from one version to the next all the way up to Yosemite, why can't microsoft use windows 7 and simply improve it without destroying what works in favor of something that 'kinda' works?

 

Apple didn't dumb down their version of the control panel, they didn't try to shove ugly tiles into anyones face, they took the ugly, flat look from microsoft and made it far more visually appealing, they also brought platform unification to OSX without resorting to some hideous design similar to continuum.

 

 

Why can't microsoft do something similar with windows 7?

Apple didn't dumb down Preferences? You do realize that Windows control panel has more settings covered than OS X? They are already dumbed down if you are comparing to Windows Control Panel going by your yard stick.

[siah1214]

Am I the only one that hasn't opened control panel in eons?  I search for the setting in start menu, period.  That's the power user way to do it, keyboard is king. If you're digging through lists of icons then you're power-usering wrong. 

[Order_66]

All that and not one shred of evidence that attributes ANYTHING to Live tiles.

 

That is just your opinion, meanwhile, most of the world has rejected windows 8 completely because of the whole metro experience and citing the start screen with live tiles as the worst part of that experience.

Why are people complaining about alphas? Saying they shouldn't replace the control panel until they have a full replacement? Huh? They are working on it that's what alphas are you can't possibly say this till the final release. Don't download non public releases or alphas unless you want to see the progress.

 

Yes, however it is the direction (backwards) that they are going while working on the replacement.

[Ryoken]

Apple didn't dumb down Preferences? You do realize that Windows control panel has more settings covered than OS X? They are already dumbed down if you are comparing to Windows Control Panel going by your yard stick.

I like Apple's approach myself..

 

Here's some basic stuff designed for the end user to change. Need to do more? Best know how to use the Terminal. Oh wait, you don't? Well then, you shouldn't be messing with it :)

 

 

Not that I'm suggesting that for Windows.. two different markets..

[Stoffel]

Then by all means, add whatever is necessary for windows 8.x, I'm not against adding to the control panel, not at all.

 

Live tiles are a documented failure, I am not against replacing icons with something else but replacing icons with something from the metro family isn't going to do it.

 

Anything and everything to do with metro is backwards and 'dumbed down', like it or not that is a simple fact.

 

You really seem to struggle with the difference between opinion and fact

And I think lots of us are getting tired of your same rehashed comments you have been posting for the last 2 years

[Order_66]

Apple didn't dumb down Preferences? You do realize that Windows control panel has more settings covered than OS X? They are already dumbed down if you are comparing to Windows Control Panel going by your yard stick.

 

This isn't a comparison between operating systems, it is a comparison of the advancement of operating systems.

 

Apple continues to move forward without making drastic or backwards changes to OSX, microsoft continues to move backward in the name of "change" with unbridled arrogance.

You really seem to struggle with the difference between opinion and fact

 

That's just your opinion (funny how that works).

[Max Norris]

microsoft continues to move backward in the name of "change" with unbridled arrogance.

Wouldn't "unbridled arrogance" imply completely ignoring what the customers are asking for.. kind of exactly the opposite of what they're doing?

[Order_66]

And I think lots of us are getting tired of your same rehashed comments you have been posting for the last 2 years

 

I don't come here to cry about how many posters have made threats towards me or anything else for that matter, I suppose it must be a maturity thing.

 

If you don't like me then by all means figure out how to use the ignore feature, that is why it's there.

[Stoffel]

I don't come here to cry about how many posters have made threats towards me or anything else for that matter, I suppose it must be a maturity thing.

 

If you don't like me then by all means figure out how to use the ignore feature, that is why it's there.

 

If you would come up with some valid criticism and some more decent point it would be fine, but you have been rehashing the same post since Oct 2012.

"I don't like metro, therefore it's a failure, that's a fact!"

It's just boring

[Order_66]

If you would come up with some valid criticism and some more decent point it would be fine, but you have been rehashing the same post since Oct 2012.

"I don't like metro, therefore it's a failure, that's a fact!"

It's just boring

 

Because you disagree with criticism doesn't make the criticism any less valid.

 

I've never used the ignore feature so I can't tell you how to use it.

[T3X4S]

Good riddance Steve Ballmer

They (Microsoft) were so stagnant when he was @ helm - with Satya Nadella @ the helm it seems everything is moving in right direction.  I realize the guys @ the top dont have direct input on things like this - Im talking company as a whole.

[siah1214]

Good riddance Steve Ballmer

They (Microsoft) were so stagnant when he was @ helm - with Satya Nadella @ the helm it seems everything is moving in right direction.  I realize the guys @ the top dont have direct input on things like this - Im talking company as a whole.

Yeah because Nadella completely changed Microsoft in 1 year, his predecessor had nothing to do with this, right? 

 

By the way, I have some ocean front property in Arizona, you interested? 

[T3X4S]

Well, there is nothing like some real sarcasm to bring out the best in people.

I know how things work, thank you,

And there were things Ballmer would not do that were quickly changed as soon as he was gone.  For instance, Office apps in the Apple Appstore.

I realize there were many projects that were in play long before he took over.  I feel I shouldnt have to state the obvious.

What I dont understand, is why are you so upset and feel the need to use sarcasm to point out something that anyone knows.

Nobody really thinks that all projects were thrown away, closing out the Ballmer era, and everything started fresh - I shouldnt have to point these things out - its obvious - and its not what I was referring too.

A quick google will point out other immediate changes that were put into place.

Furthermore, his bonus' set forth from the BOD were not close to potential - which means they werent real impressed with him either.

[BajiRav]

I like Apple's approach myself..

 

Here's some basic stuff designed for the end user to change. Need to do more? Best know how to use the Terminal. Oh wait, you don't? Well then, you shouldn't be messing with it :)

 

 

Not that I'm suggesting that for Windows.. two different markets..

I am not saying either approach is better. I am just pointing out that the OS X Preferences is very limited* compared to the Windows Control Panel.

*Limited as in some functionality is available elsewhere such as Keychain, Admin tools.

 

This isn't a comparison between operating systems, it is a comparison of the advancement of operating systems.

 

Apple continues to move forward without making drastic or backwards changes to OSX, microsoft continues to move backward in the name of "change" with unbridled arrogance.

This is a comparison between the Preferences/Control Panel that you yourself started. I just questioned your logic about what qualifies as "dumbed down" .

Why not properly answer to my point instead of getting into unnecessary tangent?

All I see is your hatred for everything metro clouding your judgment.

[Ian S.]

And there were things Ballmer would not do that were quickly changed as soon as he was gone.  For instance, Office apps in the Apple Appstore.

I realize there were many projects that were in play long before he took over.  

 

Isn't your first line going against your second? Ballmer obviously had Office apps for iOS in development, so obviously if he stayed he would have released them. This was not changed the minute he was gone.

[T3X4S]

Isn't your first line going against your second? Ballmer obviously had Office apps for iOS in development, so obviously if he stayed he would have released them. This was not changed the minute he was gone.

Once I started typing more in that response I saw how it could be interpreted I was going against what I originally said.  I was just trying to clarify, as my initial post was admittedly kinda broad.

I had read where releasing Office apps in iOS were one of the first "action items" Nadella mentioned.  Sure they were already coded, but never given the green light.

I just didnt like the tone of siah's post.  I feel it totally mistook my post, and implied I was foolishly thinking he caused an immediate 180 turnaround.  Sure I could have worded things differently, but dont feel I need to post things that should be obvious.  Maybe what I consider obvious, others dont know I consider them obvious.

I think his post was totally unnecessary.

Ballmer's CEO position was, by many, considered to be less than exemplary.  The purchase of Nokia was considered a good move, but it felt like they were making one dumb mistake after another.  Being a stockholder, I can say that I was glad to see him go.

[Studio384]

 

Note how even the window logos for Windows 1 and Windows 8 are very similar, down to the color :laugh:

(Although I still like the one from Windows 1 a bit better.)

 

 

Au contraire, mon ami. Tiles are a very massive failure, and except for a few people with weird tastes, no one likes them. To realize this, you don't even need to read any of the countless complaints about metro and tiles that are all over the internet. Just a look a the Global Web Stats from W3Counter. The stats are from November 2014, 2 1/2 years after the introduction of Windows 8:

 

Windows 7     40.57%

Windows XP     8.29%

Windows 8.1     8.13%

Windows 8     3.46%

Windows Vista     2.12%

 

Even though you are forced to buy Windows 8 with every new PC, laptop or other device (e.g. Surface), people still prefer the old Windows XP over it, even over the greatly improved Windows 8.1. Let's better not talk about the original Windows 8, which isn't much more popular than Windows Vista :rofl:

 

It's even worse with the Windows phones. The first Windows phone was introduced in 2010. As with Windows 8, despite multi-million ad campaigns, the Windows phones remain massively unpopular. According to IDC, their current market share in the third quarter of 2014 is just 2.9% :laugh:

That's not because of the hardware. Current Windows phones often have pretty good hardware. It's because no one can stand the metro tiles crap that's running on the Windows phones. Peoples disgust of the tiles junk is even growing. Windows phone share is on a clear downward trend, down from 3.6% one year ago -  that is, they have already lost one fifth of their already very meager market share during the year :rofl:

I stopped reading when you said "W3Counter". If there is any website you shouldn't  get you statistics from, then it's W3Counter. With 12% after a year of availablity, Windows 8.1 is as popular as Windows 7. And no, that is not because people upgraded from Windows 8: only 2% of users found their way from 8 to 8.1 since 8.1's launch. Anyway, cut the BS.

[Studio384]

Then by all means, add whatever is necessary for windows 8.x, I'm not against adding to the control panel, not at all.

 

Live tiles are a documented failure, I am not against replacing icons with something else but replacing icons with something from the metro family isn't going to do it.

 

Anything and everything to do with metro is backwards and 'dumbed down', like it or not that is a simple fact.

You obviously have no idea what Metro actualy is, do you?

[MikeChipshop Member]

Good stuff MS.

Folding the old CP in to the new 'Settings' is the smart way to go, and should look pretty nice once those place holders are replaced with some sexy new icons :p

 

If you would come up with some valid criticism and some more decent point it would be fine, but you have been rehashing the same post since Oct 2012.

"I don't like metro, therefore it's a failure, that's a fact!"

It's just boring

 

Brilliant :p

[techbeck]

eh, like I said before.  Just a rehashed category view so far from Win7/8 and others.  Can call it Settings but it is essentially Control Panel.  Unless they significantly  change it.  Like calling My Computer, This Computer.

[T3X4S]

There are some serious attitude problems in this thread - what is it that gets emotions running wild ?  Its just a discussion about software :|

[PGHammer]

That is just your opinion, meanwhile, most of the world has rejected windows 8 completely because of the whole metro experience and citing the start screen with live tiles as the worst part of that experience.

 

Yes, however it is the direction (backwards) that they are going while working on the replacement.

That is not what even you have said, Order_66.  Instead, what you have been insisting is that Windows 8 (and later) have been passed on because they bring no wanted features to the table.  So suddenly it's ALL about looks and aesthetics, as opposed to actual usable features?  Do you REALLY think that OS users are that shallow?

[PGHammer]

eh, like I said before.  Just a rehashed category view so far from Win7/8 and others.  Can call it Settings but it is essentially Control Panel.  Unless they significantly  change it.  Like calling My Computer, This Computer.

And that is what I myself said earlier in the thread.  The difference in naming is entirely due to Windows itself being more obviously multiplatform - and due to that difference the change in naming makes a great deal of sense.

 

But "Oh noes - it's different!"  Please, folks - we were ALL told, and rather explicitly - by Microsoft itself - that this Windows would indeed be multiplatform; did you all assume that Microsoft was blowing smoke?

 

Further, "Category View" was the default prior to Windows 8, and IS the default view on tablets, slates, and other non-PC devices (and it's also the default on Android devices).  The very reason why it has a learning curve - for me - is that I typically don't remain in Category View in Windows (I prefer Small Icon view - which is ONLY the default for Windows 8 and later; yet I am adjusting just fine.  (The change is, after all, minor.)

 

I haven't seen this much nitpickiness in terms of a Microsoft OS since XP.