Intel: XP users causing weak sales

[sinetheo]

I like Windows 8 .1 [ I use it from its Consumer Preview era ] and I like Windows XP too ... and I still remember where the big things are ...

I would still use it if it wouldn't be out of its Extended Support ...

But why use XP? It was only considered God and vintage classic when Vista came out. It was slow, virtual memory swapped like crazy whether ram is free or not, insecure with no separation of privileges, sata is exotic non supported, no trim, list goes on.

I liked win2000 better last decade.

[FloatingFatMan]

anyone running government contracts should run xp

 

Which government?

[sinetheo]

Which government?

I would say China

[Noir Angel]

I go there all the time to delete internet temp files by hand before I run CCleaner. By hand goes faster.

 

I do that all the time as well. Winkey + R "%temp%" , CTRL+A, SHIFT + DEL

 

5 seconds to empty temporary files. Much quicker than using search.

[sc302 Veteran]

that isn't the location that is being referenced.

[Noir Angel]

Ok, but navigating to the inet cache folder is also much easier using run than it is using Windows search so the point still stands that search isn't the be all and end all of maintaining a computer properly.

[n_K]

Windows ROT is real. It is caused by crappy programs that write to registry during each use or start and causes forks in the database. Forks upon forks upon forks cause very slow startuos.

Windows 7 will not allow non admin apps to do this without a uae prompt. Remember the hell in Vista? Every one of those apps rotted the registry in XP.

FYI rot can happen under 7 too if a service does this. Most poorly made apps stopped the bad practice.

Erm, what? Any program can write to the registry on windows 7/vista, HKEY_CURRENT_USER is completely write and read access. You need administrator permissions to write to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE and it's been like that since 2000? NT? By default on windows XP you are an administrator, if you create a standard user account, you will have absolutely NO write access to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE.

[+therealDamien Subscriber¹]

 

 

windows xp does need to die.

 

 

not related to business but.

 

its funny.

 

people patching games to run on windows 8.1 and windows 10

 

and now

 

people patching games to run on windows xp.

 

devs are trying to push people to newer system and the damn windows xp borg assimilated them and resistant is futile, something.

 

somebody needs to show them how much better windows 7 and up is better.

 

windows xp hate my machine.

 

screen tearing in browsers and videos. bleh.

 

I was it using back in 2010 for some games, but ended up going back to windows 7 because the of screen tearing problems.

 

 

and back to business.

 

most problems are web browser compatibility support and java compatibility support.

 

all Im going to say.

 

 

[MikeM97]

 

somebody needs to show them how much better windows 7 and up is better.

 

 

[Mando]

Congress should pass a law that makes it illegal to run Windows XP.

yer cos the whole world revolves around Congress....jeeesh lay off the glass pipe mate.

[MikeM97]

Windows XP will get less sofware to be supported with .

[DeusProto]

Intel's fault for not releasing drivers for newer hardware that is compatible with XP.

 

They could solve this problem by providing such drivers, to encourage businesses still using XP to purchase new machines and still have the confidence that Windows XP will work with it. 

[MikeM97]

Intel's fault for not releasing drivers for newer hardware that is compatible with XP.

 

They could solve this problem by providing such drivers, to encourage businesses still using XP to purchase new machines and still have the confidence that Windows XP will work with it. 

 

Does AMD think different ?

[Anibal P]

Intel's fault for not releasing drivers for newer hardware that is compatible with XP.

 

They could solve this problem by providing such drivers, to encourage businesses still using XP to purchase new machines and still have the confidence that Windows XP will work with it. 

 

That would have the opposite effect, there's NO valid reason for ANY company to still use XP, yes I know some will ramble about "special" software and all that nonsense, I call bull on it, if the company I work for can do it, is a Dow top 20 multinational, then so can anyone else

 

Was simple too, find junk programs that ware not compatible with 7, switch to something that did, best part is since the last push to get everyone on 7 has cause a bit of the internal network issues disappear, likely not related, but interesting timing nonetheless 

[Dot Matrix]

Intel's fault for not releasing drivers for newer hardware that is compatible with XP.

 

They could solve this problem by providing such drivers, to encourage businesses still using XP to purchase new machines and still have the confidence that Windows XP will work with it. 

Uh, no. Time to move on. Windows XP isn't supported anymore.

[DeusProto]

That would have the opposite effect, there's NO valid reason for ANY company to still use XP, yes I know some will ramble about "special" software and all that nonsense, I call bull on it, if the company I work for can do it, is a Dow top 20 multinational, then so can anyone else

 

Was simple too, find junk programs that ware not compatible with 7, switch to something that did, best part is since the last push to get everyone on 7 has cause a bit of the internal network issues disappear, likely not related, but interesting timing nonetheless 

And since it's a "Dow top 20" it can likely afford to hire developers to migrate software that depends on Windows XP or develop alternatives, as well as replacing an entire building of hardware and paying out the nose for OS licenses. 

 

Small business owners and smaller corporations don't have massive surpluses to be able to afford either. 

[Anibal P]

And since it's a "Dow top 20" it can likely afford to hire developers to migrate software that depends on Windows XP or develop alternatives, as well as replacing an entire building of hardware and paying out the nose for OS licenses.

Small business owners and smaller corporations don't have massive surpluses to be able to afford either.

Nope, we used what we had mostly and told the complainers to get over it, in proper corporate speak of course, interestingly we already has superior alternatives for the crap antiques some insisted they "needed", the test was trashed as unnecessary.

Point being with a little effort there's no excuse to still use XP

[Jim K Global Moderator]

That would have the opposite effect, there's NO valid reason for ANY company to still use XP, yes I know some will ramble about "special" software and all that nonsense, I call bull on it, if the company I work for can do it, is a Dow top 20 multinational, then so can anyone else

 

Was simple too, find junk programs that ware not compatible with 7, switch to something that did, best part is since the last push to get everyone on 7 has cause a bit of the internal network issues disappear, likely not related, but interesting timing nonetheless 

 

Sure there is...especially medical.  I can not remember if I posted in this particular thread or another ... but I'm (well the tax payers are) having to spend a bit over $1.2 million to upgrade my CT machine, 2 Ultrasound machines and 2 X-ray rooms (I'm completely getting rid of the 3rd).  I operate a very small x-ray department but this mandate is for every medical device in the AF regardless if it is on the network or not.  

 

I'm having to replace the following because:

 

The current CT machine runs 2K.

One x-ray room runs XP.  The other two run Linux in addition to Windows 9x.  The 9x has a very small part which I think just imposes the patients name and other pertinent information on the monitor for the radiologist while he is fluoro'ing said patient.  It doesn't control anything.

The Ultrasound machines have XP as their base

 

These units work fine and I don't think any of them are over 8 years old.  They image perfectly and produce quality diagnostic images.  The OS can not be upgraded per the manufacture(s).

 

So yes, there is a valid reason for SOME companies (or occupations) not to upgrade.  I'm having to because the Air Force says so...otherwise I wouldn't be wasting money.  

 

If I were in a civilian healthcare facility...there is no way in hell I would be replacing any of these units ... much less spend $1.2 million on products which offer no perceivable gains in features/image quality.  Once again, this is just my small department...it is going to be ridiculously expensive AF wide.

[notta]

Microsoft needs to extend the life of operating systems for businesses. We upgraded all of our machines from XP to 7 and it was a major job as you know. We support very unique systems so the job involved lots of research, updating to new versions of software, and usually updating expensive third party hardware. I now cringe at the thought that we're only 3 or 4 years way from having to start it all again. This is going to force us to either go BYOD, virtual, or remove all the computers from the network which then makes our job 100 times more difficult. 2 of the 3 Microsoft makes out.I know ten years is a long time but in the business world it's not.

[Dot Matrix]

Small business owners and smaller corporations don't have massive surpluses to be able to afford either. 

jfc. It's been almost 15 years since XP was released, and has been several years since it was superseded by Vista and 7. If you can't budget for IT upgrades in that timeframe, then what the heck are you doing in business?  

[DeusProto]

jfc. It's been almost 15 years since XP was released, and has been several years since it was superseded by Vista and 7. If you can't budget for IT upgrades in that timeframe, then what the heck are you doing in business?  

Until all software that works with XP is compatible with Vista and 7, it hasn't truly been superseded for budget conscious business users. 

 

As has been pointed out above, there are also certain sectors such as healthcare that truly depend on the continued existence of Windows XP. 

 

A good way to kill off XP is help develop alternatives that are very affordable to the software used by these sectors that requires XP. 

 

Until that happens, XP is here to stay. 

 

It also does not necessarily have to be a vector of malware if the POSReady thing is enabled. I know its unsupported and the party line is that it will eventually break machines, but nonetheless most if not all updates that are for Windows Embedded POSReady 2009 will work fine for XP Professional and other editions. There are communities that point out which updates may cause issues, and they bundle them into an unofficial SP4. Also thanks to Google, they can use Chrome. IE6 for only those intranet or offline apps that depend on it. Windows XP with tightened NTFS permissions, a limited permissions account to run internet-access related processes in and a decent anti-malware suite is still a robust copy of Windows for business users. 

 

In this tough economy where recession is getting worse and worse businesses don't have the luxury of paying hundreds of thousands of dollars to replace hardware and OS licenses. Nor should a business go under just because it is still using XP. 

 

Imagine if the radiology department in a hospital had to shutdown because their devices are unable to be upgraded past XP and certain people got their way and were somehow forced to stop using them because they run an old OS. That would be a tragedy. 

[Anibal P]

Sure there is...especially medical.  I can not remember if I posted in this particular thread or another ... but I'm (well the tax payers are) having to spend a bit over $1.2 million to upgrade my CT machine, 2 Ultrasound machines and 2 X-ray rooms (I'm completely getting rid of the 3rd).  I operate a very small x-ray department but this mandate is for every medical device in the AF regardless if it is on the network or not.  

 

I'm having to replace the following because:

 

The current CT machine runs 2K.

One x-ray room runs XP.  The other two run Linux in addition to Windows 9x.  The 9x has a very small part which I think just imposes the patients name and other pertinent information on the monitor for the radiologist while he is fluoro'ing said patient.  It doesn't control anything.

The Ultrasound machines have XP as their base

 

These units work fine and I don't think any of them are over 8 years old.  They image perfectly and produce quality diagnostic images.  The OS can not be upgraded per the manufacture(s).

 

So yes, there is a valid reason for SOME companies (or occupations) not to upgrade.  I'm having to because the Air Force says so...otherwise I wouldn't be wasting money.  

 

If I were in a civilian healthcare facility...there is no way in hell I would be replacing any of these units ... much less spend $1.2 million on products which offer no perceivable gains in features/image quality.  Once again, this is just my small department...it is going to be ridiculously expensive AF wide.

 

 

Considering I work for a Health Insurance company I can guarantee you that we have less than 100 XP machines in the environment, not including bought companies not merged into the domain, they will also be upgraded to 7/8, that includes all the associated computers used to control equipment in the clinics we have, some of the clinics were the biggest babies when it came to upgrading their computer. The few XP systems left are for very specific functions and are on death watch, as soon as they can be replaced they will, no exceptions, just taking a little longer to migrate to current systems 

 

 

Seems to me the business holdouts are not thinking about this right, they see the cost of migrating to newer applications and do not factor the cost of using inefficient and insecure applications and the costs of using a dead OS like XP, the cost of extended support ot MS has got to be exponentially more than a proper replacement with good hardware and software 

[Dot Matrix]

I now cringe at the thought that we're only 3 or 4 years way from having to start it all again.

Complacency doesn't benefit IT.

[Jim K Global Moderator]

Considering I work for a Health Insurance company I can guarantee you that we have less than 100 XP machines in the environment, not including bought companies not merged into the domain, they will also be upgraded to 7/8, that includes all the associated computers used to control equipment in the clinics we have, some of the clinics were the biggest babies when it came to upgrading their computer. The few XP systems left are for very specific functions and are on death watch, as soon as they can be replaced they will, no exceptions, just taking a little longer to migrate to current systems 

 

 

Seems to me the business holdouts are not thinking about this right, they see the cost of migrating to newer applications and do not factor the cost of using inefficient and insecure applications and the costs of using a dead OS like XP, the cost of extended support ot MS has got to be exponentially more than a proper replacement with good hardware and software 

 

Considering you work for a health insurance company tends to make me believe you do not know about high dollar medical equipment with regards to the dedicated operating systems in said machines.  Especially your description that clinics are the "biggest babies", when in fact they probably don't want to spend thousands of dollars for devices which do exactly the same thing (only difference being the OS).

 

Medical facilities with medical devices are stuck...to spend X amount of dollars on new equipment or to keep them regardless of the OS.  I would choose to keep it if the functionality and benefits remained relevant.  Why would I want to spend $500K for a CT scanner which offers no other real (or needed) benefits over the scanner currently in use...just because of the software?  It does not make business sense.

 

Once again, to discredit your statement...yes...there are some VALID reasons not to upgrade.  Especially when doing so would cost millions of dollars without any appreciable gains.  This goes for any piece of dedicated equipment regardless of its occupation.

[simplezz]

I've still got a machine running XP. If it's not broke as they say...

 

As to the claim that XP users are causing weak sales, that's complete balderdash. Everyone knows that the boost provided by XP's EOL was only temporary. The PC market is in decline and has been for some time.