[OFFICIAL] Windows 10 Insider Program

[HawkMan]

The whole Insider thing turned out to be nothing more than just having early access to the OS. What is the point in even writing feedback, when we in the end turn out to be nothing more than the average lab rats. Just... disappointing.

 

I was a deeply passionate guy for anything Windows, but no more. I feel burned out and a very invaluable user. Thanks Microsoft, I guess, I got what I deserved for so blindly having a passion for your products which the people in charge of them don't seem to give a ###### to fix.

 

There was a lot of things changed due to feedback though. 

 

of course it's harder to see that when the feedback said 4+ different things and you weren't one the side that won. the phone version had a lot more consistent feedback and there you see how much effect the insider feedback really had an they want back on a lot of design decisions. 

[HawkMan]

And Microsoft also ignored the #1 voted on item on UserVoice: the return of Aero Glass. 50,000 votes which mean nothing to Microsoft apparently.

 

Its clear a lot of highly popular feedback gets sent to /dev/null

 

"Windows Insider" is just a marketing program. A genius one, I admit. 

 

If it were truly about beta testing we'd have at least view access to Microsoft's internal bug tracker. And Microsoft would actually publish the changelogs, and not keep them private until Wzor leaks them. 

 

We'd be able to download the checked debug builds off Connect.

 

We'd have access to the private mailing list for Connect.

 

We'd be able to choose different branches. 

 

And we'd be able to get Canary builds. 

 

Just because a stupid suggestion was a the most voted doesn't mean they have to listen to it.

glass wouldn't fit the design language at all. it looks messy and doesn't fit with the style they're going for, it was a dead suggestion from the start. 

 

on top of that they did listen and implemented glass where appropriate like the start menu and taskbar. 

 

Also it's insider, not official beta tester and QnA specialist, in which case you would have to spend hours every day repeatedly going through use cases described step by step to find repeatable bugs and issue. 

[NightmarE D]

There's people that think that just because they reported some feedback that it HAS to make it into the final build?

 

I find that hard to believe. I'm genuinely shocked.

 

The entitlement some of you "insiders" have is a little disturbing lol

 

Dot....I could have sworn I saw this huge rant posted a ways back about you being "done". Doesn't look like that at all lol.

[PsYcHoKiLLa]

Anyone else's explorer freezing and force closing since the last app updates, especially the store on? Trying to use Cortana is still randomly locking up explorer.

 

This isn't ready for Joe Public !

[spaceelf]

This isn't ready for Joe Public !

 

Last I checked it isn't 7/29.

[PsYcHoKiLLa]

Last I checked it isn't 7/29.

 

Well you didn't check well enough because RTM is due this week.

[freak180]

Well you didn't check well enough because RTM is due this week.

You realize they can still push out patches/updates 

[Brandon H Supervisor]

Well you didn't check well enough because RTM is due this week.

yes, so OEMs can start loading machines. doesn't mean MS isn't going to continue releasing bug fixes

 

edit: HAH sniped by freak180 

[patseguin Global Moderator]

RTM will be 10.10800.0.XXXXXX.XXXX.  or 10.11200.0.XXXXXX.XXXX

 

See my post here - https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1258428-anticipating-windows-10-rtm-would-it-be-build-10400-or-build-10800/?view=findpost&p=596917372

The latest leaked build is 10163 and the previous ones pushed were 10161 and 10162 right? How could they possibly have almost 700 builds between then and RTM? Or are the build numbers non sequential?

[+Fahim S. MVC]

The latest leaked build is 10163 and the previous ones pushed were 10161 and 10162 right? How could they possibly have almost 700 builds between then and RTM? Or are the build numbers non sequential?

RTM releases usually have a bumped up 'nice' build number. For example XP was 2600.

[patseguin Global Moderator]

RTM releases usually have a bumped up 'nice' build number. For example XP was 2600.

Ah I always thought it was coincidence haha.

[xendrome]

Ah I always thought it was coincidence haha.

 

Nope, it's carefully planned. There's a method to what seems like madness.

[MikeM97]

This week gonna hurt.

[ambiance]

Has anyone had issues with sleep mode? Mine goes into sleep and wakes around 30 seconds later. I've unchecked every bloody thing that has the ability to wake the computer with no success.

[Preppy Veteran]

Checked the Feedback app, and it's amazing how many requests there are regarding being able to set a custom color for the title bars. Amazing that Microsoft still hasn't responded to this. Why can't there just be a simple toggle in Settings? Something like "apply accent color to title bars," and be done with it?

 

It's a noted feature request.

 

There's a crap ton of feedback Microsoft never responded to.

 

Generally there are enough people and enough sources of feedback in the world that it's hard to respond to all of it excellently: that'd take an incredible amount of people.  Things are noted.

 

And Microsoft also ignored the #1 voted on item on UserVoice: the return of Aero Glass. 50,000 votes which mean nothing to Microsoft apparently.

 

If you could stick to speaking for yourself, that'd be tight.  I strongly disagree with you.

 

Its clear a lot of highly popular feedback gets sent to /dev/null

 

Or takes time to do right.  One of the two.  But hey maybe MS hasn't been working hard and has instead been playing mini-golf everyday.  That's not the world I know of, but w/e.

 

The further requests/comments in your post as regards what "beta/Insider" should be are generally shattered by the issue of scale.  MS has done a lot of things along these lines in the past, and they've been destroyed by the scale of what's involved here: it gets unmanageable quickly.  If they can keep up the current approach and keep improving upon it, more power to them.  This is a brave new world, and I'm hearing about feedback more than ever, and seeing it incorporated now more than ever.  As a fan of the community (which is why I've been here and elsewhere for a very long time now), I'm pretty pleased.

 

I'm happy to have a casual friendly and cordial conversation upon these subjects via PM.  But point blank: anybody who says that feedback is being ignored is (happily!) wrong.  I'd very much appreciate people not being misled upon this subject as I am relying upon y'all to keep supplying feedback so I can help make my pet projects happen.

 

I've heard a dark and fanciful rumor that y'all have at least one friend "on the inside" that generally is already well aware of most of the feedback here and is highly interested in helping make that happen.  Keep the relevant feedback upon features/bug fixes YOU want to see happen coming.

 

 

Yeah, given how long that change took, I still have hope they'll allow for a simple way to choose the title bar color. Heck, I'd even be okay with 10-20 predefined colors, at least offer SOMETHING.

 

Yeah: turns out some colors look really bad as title bar colors.  And then you get into the (solvable) issue of text and item contrast against that, etc.

 

Just because a stupid suggestion was a the most voted doesn't mean they have to listen to it.

glass wouldn't fit the design language at all. it looks messy and doesn't fit with the style they're going for, it was a dead suggestion from the start. 

 

on top of that they did listen and implemented glass where appropriate like the start menu and taskbar. 

 

Sure, maybe glass doesn't fit Basel or Metro or whatnot, but -- that's why you have On/Off toggles.  I hope when we have discussions we always remember the simple concept of on/off toggles: they simply and readily address a lot of concerns.  But then again, hey maybe that's just me: I love customization.

 

And yes, that glassification there was indeed based off of user feedback about love of glass.

 

 

You're all awesome -- I've been on neowin for a long time and can confirm it's an excellent community 99.9% of the time -- and have been and will be listened to, even if nobody has the godlike powers to make great stuff happen instantly.  Stuff takes time.  <3

[DeusProto]

 

If you could stick to speaking for yourself, that'd be tight.  I strongly disagree with you.

 

 

Uh, what? I linked to a feedback item that is CLEARLY [FACT, not opinion] the #2 item on Uservoice - which for a time was #1 but only recently was overtaken. How is that speaking for everybody?

 

 

: http://i.imgur.com/3ZBCNAu.png

 

So at most I am speaking for myself AND those who voted in favor of that feedback item

 

How many other feedback items received over 50,000 votes? Either in the feedback program or uservoice? Not many. 

 

So I am NOT the ONLY one who wants Aero Glass returned, clearly. 

[Cyberkiller]

Is there a way to adjust gpu scaling / overscan within windows itself?

 

Have a PC with a radeon 4850, tried installing the AMD Suite for it, display driver fails, CCC installs but CCC won't open, just gives an error.

 

Right now the display doesn't fill the entire monitor, all AMD cards are underscanned via hdmi

[Ian W]

Here, to make it ABUNDANTLY clear: http://i.imgur.com/3ZBCNAu.png

I do not think that the user was debating that. Either way, a screenshot of the feedback requests would have sufficed. Your crude drawings make nothing easier to understand

[Preppy Veteran]

'which mean nothing to Microsoft apparently'

 

Strongly disagree.  Imagine we're building a house together.  You want items X, Y, Z.  The architect feels that A, B, C are awesome and need to meet their vision.  You probably also need to worry about D, E, F, and if you don't pay attention to G, H, I you're dumb and just asking for trouble.  You have finite amounts of time.  Compromises get made.  Pretending that XYZ feedback means nothing to someone that is not you does a disservice to the community.  Speak for yourself.  Even in the Glass case you noted, that feedback was used to guide implementation of features.

 

I can't repeat strongly enough and often enough that you should not be discouraging the feedback of other users.  Stop trying to thwart the progress that we all are trying to make together.  I need y'all providing feedback.  Please.  Thanks!

 

If for some reason you're frustrated, PM me (I find that PMs lead to better conversations) and let's talk it out.  Feedback is important and vital to getting management to buy off on changes we all want.  Stop trying to thwart that.

 

edit: If you can't use PMs, hit me up at zachdms at hotmail dotty com.  <3

[spaceelf]

Well you didn't check well enough because RTM is due this week.

 

So you're saying it's being released to Joe Public this week?  They can still patch it between now and the 29th, and vendors can still release new drivers before then.

 

The RTM build means very little to the general public until they can actually download it without going through the Insider (or leaked) channels.

[Mwaldron98]

Has anyone tried to clear the cache/cookies in MS Edge in 10162?   And if so,  did it make your whole Explorer/Edge/Start menu freeze up?   Just wondering - if you're brave, try it.    It resets after about 30 minutes to back to normal.

[Seahorsepip Veteran]

Has anyone tried to clear the cache/cookies in MS Edge in 10162?   And if so,  did it make your whole Explorer/Edge/Start menu freeze up?   Just wondering - if you're brave, try it.    It resets after about 30 minutes to back to normal.

No freeze here.

[Guest]

Xbox app Game DVR.

 

How do you change the quality on this damn thing. It records with 15 fps.

[kozukumi]

Nope, it's carefully planned. There's a method to what seems like madness.

 

I did wonder if they would jump to 11200 which would make sense but it is a pretty huge jump from 10163 or whatever they are at today. The build number change from 9600 to 10163 is only 563 and in the past it has always been 1600 builds between releases. 

[Ci7]

Has anyone had issues with sleep mode? Mine goes into sleep and wakes around 30 seconds later. I've unchecked every bloody thing that has the ability to wake the computer with no success.

 

disable 'allow this device to wake up the computer' in the device manager

 

for both keyboard and mouse.

 

that fixed the problem for me.