[OFFICIAL] Windows 10 Insider Program

[George P Global Moderator]

I wish you were you right, but I don't think you are. They wouldn't have had multiple builds this way and then RTM this way if they were going to fix it. It is weird though since it's the #1 complaint from users yet they refuse to change it. It was even better in previous builds.

 

If it was something they'd not change at all then they'd come out and say so and put an end to all the user voice requests taking up space and time, but they haven't.   I believe it's about trying to stay consistent, WinRT apps have a default gray titlebar, iirc, they've never had color unless the developer sets it ahead of time in the app code itself.   I believe it's a case of WinRT apps not talking to the legacy desktop UI settings as far as colors go, like Win32 apps do.  It might sound like a minor thing to us, talking about it, but it's probably more work to actually implement. 

 

Anyways, unless they don't come out and say they're not going to change it, people will keep on talking about it and asking for it.

[Dashel]

I don't think its as much the title bars as background apps not dimming enough.  I'm not for a mandate.

 

 

[George P Global Moderator]

I don't think its as much the title bars as background apps not dimming enough.  I'm not for a mandate.

 

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Just an example of how winrt apps follow their own window color settings and not the system defaults desktop/legacy win32 apps do.  This will change I expect but it'll take time, just like it took time to get winrt apps to run in windowed mode and so on.  It's a process at this point, maybe with redstone, that's the hope at least.

 

Of course for redstone I want them to actually do more with live tiles like people have been asking for on uservoice.   Pinning tiles and having them work as such on the desktop for one, should be easy enough, same system they had in place for gadgets on Win7 basically.   Not that i'd use them that way but it's yet another thing to do to make users happy and gives choice.

 

The biggest things I'd like to see is the ability to have controls inside tiles, making them more like gadgets, so I can control the music app from the tile without having to open it fully, and also to let tiles work when pinned on the taskbar, they don't atm, they just turn into static icons like legacy apps.

[Guest]

Threshold 2 coming in the next few months.

[Preppy Veteran]

If MS is this close to shipping, I'm not certain how probable it is that they add features, no matter how cool and awesome they are.  I'd suspect that any sane organization would say NO for right now, no matter how much you and I might enjoy certain positive changes. :\

[Guest]

If MS is this close to shipping, I'm not certain how probable it is that they add features, no matter how cool and awesome they are.  I'd suspect that any sane organization would say NO for right now, no matter how much you and I might enjoy certain positive changes. :\

 

Dev is ongoing in another branch. The one that they're releasing is done in terms of features. Next feature set update will come with TH2, expected around October / November.

[George P Global Moderator]

If MS is this close to shipping, I'm not certain how probable it is that they add features, no matter how cool and awesome they are.  I'd suspect that any sane organization would say NO for right now, no matter how much you and I might enjoy certain positive changes. :\

 

The business/enterprise versions of the OS are on their own cycles, MS covered this a while ago iirc.   Business can control updates, they can stay on RTM 10240 and only get security patches and no new features if they want or until they test a new build, like Redstone next year for example.   It's just home users, consumers, that are going to get updated, which IMO is a good thing really.  It's best to be on the newest code, no more of this running a 10 year old OS because you haven't bought a new PC in that long business that MS has to worry about and try to support.

[Studio384]

If MS is this close to shipping, I'm not certain how probable it is that they add features, no matter how cool and awesome they are.  I'd suspect that any sane organization would say NO for right now, no matter how much you and I might enjoy certain positive changes. :\

Well, the RTM and GA versions of Windows 8.1 also differed and the GA even included some nice new features and even visual updates in the OS itself.

[AtomR]

Well, the RTM and GA versions of Windows 8.1 also differed and the GA even included some nice new features and even visual updates in the OS itself.

NO.

RTM & GA versions of W8.1 was exactly same & had features & UI. I think, you confused W8.1 RTM with W8.1 Update 1.

[George P Global Moderator]

Does it matter if they don't polish it more by the 29th?  In a few months we're going to get another update for it anyways, unless that's changed now?  In October or November at the latest there should be a nice size update.

[Guest]

Silly how 10 works better in the emulator than on an actual phone.

[spaceelf]

Groove Music seems to have really bombed on my box with this version...whatevers going on

 

(Downloaded Music Pass songs are erroring left and right for no reason I can figure out.)

[Guest]

Wonderful. We now have yet another set of documentation that conflicts with any pre-Windows 10 documentation. God dammit. Flipping hell, so many documentation changes over the years, it is really getting quite tedious to figure out what you can do in every damn different version of WinRT.

 

[adrynalyne]

Wonderful. We now have yet another set of documentation that conflicts with any pre-Windows 10 documentation. God dammit. Flipping hell, so many documentation changes over the years, it is really getting quite tedious to figure out what you can do in every damn different version of WinRT.

 

Welcome to the world of software development.

[Guest]

Welcome to the world of software development.

 

I guess. But it is hard that there are so many changes between versions of the same framework. Watching this now: https://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Build/2015/3-733 to get more info on feature detection and stuff.

[PGHammer]

Well, my machine isn't powerful enough to properly handle a VM, and I have a blog where I post Microsoft news, so I'd like to be able to use the newer builds and show them off in videos.

 

Well, my machine isn't powerful enough to properly handle a VM, and I have a blog where I post Microsoft news, so I'd like to be able to use the newer builds and show them off in videos.

Define "powerful enough" - I started working with VMs with a Celeron DC and 2 GB of RAM.  (Yes; I DID say "Celeron Dual-Core".)

[Guest]

I guess. But it is hard that there are so many changes between versions of the same framework. Watching this now: https://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Build/2015/3-733 to get more info on feature detection and stuff.

 

Okay, that proved useful. Fixed the issue that I was having.

 

Yet another way of feature detection. On the bright side, this one looks like the best one that I have seen so far. However, much remains on MS' engineers to keep it consistent.

[Studio384]

NO.

RTM & GA versions of W8.1 was exactly same & had features & UI. I think, you confused W8.1 RTM with W8.1 Update 1.

That's not true, the RTM version and GA version did have different features. I'm not confusing anything, you're just claiming something without knowing what. This is the list of differences between the RTM and GA versions of Windows 8.1:

 

- New settings for Read mode in Internet Explorer 11, like colors, text size, and more

- Improved WebGL support

- Windows shows additional hints when doing actions

- The Help+Tips apps was completed in the GA version

- Major updates to the Mail and Calendar apps

- Shut down or sing out-options in the Win-X menu

- Updated themes

[abecedarian paradoxious]

https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1263764-removing-onedrive-folder-redirection-in-documents-and-pictures/

 

To fix default folders ^^

I hate the Onedrive integration as a Dropbox user.

Not being able to organize your tool shed is no reason to affect those of us that can.

[Seahorsepip Veteran]

Not being able to organize your tool shed is no reason to affect those of us that can.

What are you talking about? Microsoft uploads documents and pictures to onedrive by default instead of your user folder. The link is about removing the link between your onedrive folder and user folder, some people don't want to be forced into onedrive especially if they're using already dropbox or something alike.

[Guest]

I love that it is so easy to modify title bars, and not like in <10, where you had to use UI hacks and monstrous workarounds. Yey!

[The_Decryptor Veteran]

What are you talking about? Microsoft uploads documents and pictures to onedrive by default instead of your user folder. The link is about removing the link between your onedrive folder and user folder, some people don't want to be forced into onedrive especially if they're using already dropbox or something alike.

I'm not seeing this behavior, in fact if I try to unify the OneDrive documents folder with the Users one it gives me a warning.

I did a clean install of RTM last night and it wasn't unified then.

[BajiRav]

What are you talking about? Microsoft uploads documents and pictures to onedrive by default instead of your user folder. The link is about removing the link between your onedrive folder and user folder, some people don't want to be forced into onedrive especially if they're using already dropbox or something alike.

By default is not really true. You can skip it during the first run wizard and it won't put those two folders in OneDrive. This is the same thing that happens with account creation. They are making it easy to opt-in and opt-out options are easily overlooked.

I'm not seeing this behavior, in fact if I try to unify the OneDrive documents folder with the Users one it gives me a warning.

I did a clean install of RTM last night and it wasn't unified then.

Did you enable OneDrive during the first run wizard? That's where it asks to put documents and pictures in OneDrive by default. I think people who are having problem with those folders just clicked next without reading. There is a link there to not merge them, sneaky but it's there.

[The_Decryptor Veteran]

Yeah I enabled it, still didn't ask for redirecting Documents/Pictures there.

Or maybe it did and I disabled it without reading

[AtomR]

That's not true, the RTM version and GA version did have different features. I'm not confusing anything, you're just claiming something without knowing what. This is the list of differences between the RTM and GA versions of Windows 8.1:

 

- New settings for Read mode in Internet Explorer 11, like colors, text size, and more

- Improved WebGL support

- Windows shows additional hints when doing actions

- The Help+Tips apps was completed in the GA version

- Major updates to the Mail and Calendar apps

- Shut down or sing out-options in the Win-X menu

- Updated themes

 

Every update was related to 'Modern APPS', not core functionality & UI. That was indeed easy for them to roll-out updates to apps. They'll do the same in W10. 

 

And your last point seems wrong to me. Indeed, I ran both RTM & GA of W8.1. Both had same themes. Or are you talking about wallpaper themes?