rpm Posted December 30, 2003 Share Posted December 30, 2003 Welcome to the Definite Thread for PHP vs ASP! After a long debate and me reffering to ASP as being homosexual while PHP is straight as an arrow with my good friend, Cody, we've decided to take it to Neowin so let's know what you think.. is PHP or ASP better? Vote and explain if possible please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 +Fahim S. MVC Posted January 1, 2004 MVC Share Posted January 1, 2004 You can always use the MSXML component under asp to gain files over http and https.... I voted NULL... cos neither of them are better... they both do the job adequately but not superbly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 dhavalhirdhav Posted January 1, 2004 Share Posted January 1, 2004 if you compare ASP with PHP then obiously PHP will rule.. but if you compare ASP.NET with PHP then ASP.NET rules.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 BxBoy Posted January 1, 2004 Share Posted January 1, 2004 I like PHP, haven't tried ASP or ASP.NET tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 PezDspncr Posted January 1, 2004 Share Posted January 1, 2004 had to go with asp :) my sig is coded in asp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 BxBoy Posted January 1, 2004 Share Posted January 1, 2004 had to go with asp :) my sig is coded in asp hence i'm going with php, my sig is coded in php ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 neowin_hipster Posted January 1, 2004 Share Posted January 1, 2004 anyone tried the go-mono asp.net version? the nice thing is that it runs on linux/unix. It's definently not 100% complete, but how is it so far? google is switching to php 5 from a custom c-engine isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Tim Dorr Veteran Posted January 2, 2004 Veteran Share Posted January 2, 2004 Tried the mono ASP.Net implementation. Couldn't get it to work in a shared server environment, but it works fine if you're the only one on the server ;) No way google would switch to PHP5! They have their own custom file system, clustering software, and linux kernel. I think not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 BxBoy Posted January 2, 2004 Share Posted January 2, 2004 if google ain't broke, why fix it? ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 GR7 Posted January 2, 2004 Share Posted January 2, 2004 those who havent tried asp.net will probably go with PHP. PHP is better only if you compare it to old ASP (3.0). But it is nothing if you compare it to ASP.NET. Yeah yeah, hosting is more expensive, but if you're to make a living out of it, it'd be companies that would pay the hosting so you get to use the power of ASP.NET and you've got to pay nothing. There's Webmatrix software, that's free. Its a GREAT IDE, maybe not as complete as VSTUDIO.NET but you can totally develop a good website with it. PHP is just a scripting language. ASP.NET is a complete platform. there's no way php could be better. Edit: I forgot to mention. we've got everything you have, plus more. there's dot net nuke, there are pre-made image galleries, there's blog programs, there's everything. Plus, we get cool server controls (components) like ASP.NET Menu. check it out.......thats something you wont eeever have. (www.aspnetmenu.com) Another edit: did you check out the latest sql injection vulnerability in PHP Nuke 7.0? thats sick!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Tim Dorr Veteran Posted January 2, 2004 Veteran Share Posted January 2, 2004 I haven't seen many php forums written by individuals wonder why that is :whistle: As for asp forums there are plenty of you care to take a look: << Snip >> I could go on they are just a few IPB is written soley by Matt Mecham of IPS. I believe YaBB started off with one person, same with phpBB (could be wrong on that, though). However, what's the point of having your software written by an individual rather than a team? Doesn't prove anything. Just tends to suggest that the team-written forums would be of higher quality. :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Kilroy-was-here Posted January 2, 2004 Share Posted January 2, 2004 IPB is written soley by Matt Mecham of IPS. I believe YaBB started off with one person, same with phpBB (could be wrong on that, though).However, what's the point of having your software written by an individual rather than a team? Doesn't prove anything. Just tends to suggest that the team-written forums would be of higher quality. :p A forum written by an individual will have the same style of code everywhere. If this code is of great quality (like with IPB) then you'll have a very clean coded forum software which is easy to mod etc. If a forum is written by a team there will be different coding styles all over, so you'll have to adjust all the time when writing a mod or a hack. Back on topic though, it's all PHP for me, open source all the way :yes: I love PHP :wub: does it all for me :whistle: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 kagaku Posted January 2, 2004 Share Posted January 2, 2004 I've used both ASP.net and PHP, and I without a doubt prefer PHP. I much prefer a native Linux based open-source scripting language to a propritary closed-source Windows based solution. The code I write runs on any platform that you can compile apache/php on, can you say the same about ASP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 GR7 Posted January 2, 2004 Share Posted January 2, 2004 I've used both ASP.net and PHP, and I without a doubt prefer PHP. I much prefer a native Linux based open-source scripting language to a propritary closed-source Windows based solution. The code I write runs on any platform that you can compile apache/php on, can you say the same about ASP? just cause a product is open-source doesnt mean it has to be better than a closed-source one. I mean its like saying "My car is better cause it's cheaper", which is not a bright thing to say. dont mean to be rude but hey, i feel .net is more of a complete package and is a more robust solution for web development than just a scripting language. Plus, there's the ASP.NET Mono implementation for linux....and thats for .net. With plain old ASP you had asp chillisoft....so you could run both asp and asp.net in linux. now, what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Son of Hook Posted January 2, 2004 Share Posted January 2, 2004 I've used both ASP.net and PHP, and I without a doubt prefer PHP. I much prefer a native Linux based open-source scripting language to a propritary closed-source Windows based solution. The code I write runs on any platform that you can compile apache/php on, can you say the same about ASP? Yes, I can. I can take a web app written in ASP.NET and put it on any computer that will run ASP.NET. The only thing I have to look out for is a different .NET runtime (which there are two, currently 1.0 and 1.1). So your point is...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 PyX Posted January 2, 2004 Share Posted January 2, 2004 I didn't take time to read the whole topic, but here it goes for me, who never tried ASP nor ASP.net though : PHP: - Is 100% free and 100% legal (SOme free things are illegal, ya know ;)) - Can be installed on linux and apache, both of these are free. So total cost of a PHP Server : The price of the server, actually. Nothing more. The OS is free, Apache is free, and PHP is free. - Works on everything, every server (you just have to configure it correctly) - Can be installed on every OS I believe. I installed a personal server on WinXP Home and it works perfectly. - Is flexible (If you think about doing something realistic, you can!) - Is easy to program. (You can somwhat remember the functions you are using) - Can be debugged easily (Warning : Error on line 3 [...])- Its support on the official website is incredibly good (Every function is well-explained, you can search for one, etc.) - Is supported by the best program around for websites : Dreamweaver MX and MX 2004 (Both support it equally, it's just that MX 2004 included the newest functions, etc) - Its support everywhere else is really good too. - Can use MySQL, or any kind of database ( ? ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 kagaku Posted January 2, 2004 Share Posted January 2, 2004 Yes, I can. I can take a web app written in ASP.NET and put it on any computer that will run ASP.NET. The only thing I have to look out for is a different .NET runtime (which there are two, currently 1.0 and 1.1). So your point is...? My point is that the .NET runtime only runs on Windows, PHP runs on anything you feel like porting it to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 GR7 Posted January 2, 2004 Share Posted January 2, 2004 My point is that the .NET runtime only runs on Windows, PHP runs on anything you feel like porting it to. for you to enrich your knowledge: http://www.go-mono.com/ the Mono project, its goal is to implement asp.net in linux. so asp.net would be free, linux would be free.....AND we got free IDEs. Great IDEs actually. Plus there's the support you get at asp.net forums, managed by Microsoft's ASP.NET team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 kagaku Posted January 2, 2004 Share Posted January 2, 2004 Yay for a half-complete implimentation. As for support, I've never seen anything better then php.net's manual system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 best_uv_d_best Posted January 2, 2004 Share Posted January 2, 2004 half complete, but there are so few people working on it. if more people were to contribute, then it may be further along, but then it may NOT be too... how many years has it taken MS to get the framework to where it is now? but it's the best out there right now, and even with all of the GREAT PHP improvements it still won't perform or compete with or like .net. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 userguy Posted January 2, 2004 Share Posted January 2, 2004 for you to enrich your knowledge:http://www.go-mono.com/ the Mono project, its goal is to implement asp.net in linux. so asp.net would be free, linux would be free.....AND we got free IDEs. Great IDEs actually. Plus there's the support you get at asp.net forums, managed by Microsoft's ASP.NET team. That's great and all, and I really like how Microsoft is showing all the support they can with this. And I can't wait until Microsoft goes out of its way to break compatibility with it. Free or not, Mono is not ASP.NET. Mono is Mono. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 VGVL Posted January 2, 2004 Share Posted January 2, 2004 PHP ;) It's Open Source, fast, and runs on Linux and OSX. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Jeffrey Posted January 2, 2004 Share Posted January 2, 2004 Yes, I can. I can take a web app written in ASP.NET and put it on any computer that will run ASP.NET. The only thing I have to look out for is a different .NET runtime (which there are two, currently 1.0 and 1.1). So your point is...? And, only IIS Windows systems (I've seen Windows/Apache a few times) run ASP.net. That Mono thing doesn't seem to run on Windows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Son of Hook Posted January 3, 2004 Share Posted January 3, 2004 My point is that the .NET runtime only runs on Windows, PHP runs on anything you feel like porting it to. Yes, but you originally stated: "The code I write runs on any platform that you can compile apache/php on, can you say the same about ASP?" The same can be said about ASP. It runs on the platform it can be compiled on :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Tim Dorr Veteran Posted January 3, 2004 Veteran Share Posted January 3, 2004 A forum written by an individual will have the same style of code everywhere. If this code is of great quality (like with IPB) then you'll have a very clean coded forum software which is easy to mod etc. If a forum is written by a team there will be different coding styles all over, so you'll have to adjust all the time when writing a mod or a hack. Spoken like a true non-professional programmer :p Seriously, in a proper team development environment, there are coding standards, design outlines, and code refactoring that prevent exactly what you describe. Simply put: a well formed team with a proper design technique and code circles around a single programmer and can produce higher quality code as a result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 pagal Posted January 3, 2004 Share Posted January 3, 2004 Spoken like a true non-professional programmer :p :yes: couldn't agree with you anymore... "in most cases, a piece of software written by only one programmer is considered garbage"... a quote from my one of my profs, which he repeated all the time, emphasizing on teamwork. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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