[Official] Star Trek: Discovery Thread

[+Nik Louch Subscriber²]

23 minutes ago, George P said:

I guess in TNG there were going for a more equal uniform setup, but then again so did they in the movies starting with ST2 and on, skirts were gone and females had the same uniforms as guys, which makes more sense because it's like any type of military  force that uses uniforms and that type of command structure.

Let us not forget the guy in a short skirt in Encounter @ Farpoint.  When the Enterprise is separating.

[LOC Veteran]

28 minutes ago, Nefarious Trigger said:

Let us not forget the guy in a short skirt in Encounter @ Farpoint.  When the Enterprise is separating.

God no, let's forget that one please.

 

Also, if anyone remembers from the first TOS pilot, with Pike as Captain - he makes a comment to Spock I think (might have been someone else though) that either his Number One (Majel  Barret in that one) or helmsman/woman does a good job on the bridge -  but he's got to get used to a "woman on the bridge" still. And Majel Barret def. gives him the look of doom back when he says it  So, yeah TOS was totally a product of its time, even if Rodenberry was super ahead of his time itself.

[HawkMan]

1 hour ago, Son_Of_Dad said:

Who's a few hollywood types who never say anything is less than brilliant. You could probably do yourself a favour by checking comments on Youtube for example it's being savaged pretty badly with some people longing for S3-4 Enterprise opening credits.

I wouldn't use trek and tv forums as a basis for that. they like all such feedback forms suffer from negativity bias. The positive reaction can be seen from how many watched it and watched the second episode, and DIDN'T go whine on the forums. 

 

1 hour ago, George P said:

For all the good JJ did on his Star wars movie, you do understand that just like with this new Trek show, even that movie has a number of star wars fans hate on it, how it's not original, just retelling the A New Hope story over with different characters and so on?    It's not like TFA was a huge fan fav, not by a long shot.  It did great at the box office, sure, because it was a new star wars movie after such a long time and everyone wanted to wash the prequels out of their minds so bad it seems.

I don't mind rehashing the story or any of that in the new SW. what I don't like is the ridiculous rehash of a super weapon, only making it more super. even that I could forgive... EXCEPT how do you blow up several planets across the universe at the same time and they all see the weapon hitting the others... did all of star wars suddenly happen in a single really small solar system.  I'll ignore it and enjoy it for what it is despite that though, as long s it doesn't turn into a cheesy asylum movie...

[DocM]

16 hours ago, Nefarious Trigger said:

Genuinely enjoyed it.  It got straight into things, the pacing felt like a movie, the tone was set and I've basically no issues with anything shown.  Considering how weak some Trek series have started, I'd call this a success.  And to those who complain "This isn't MY Trek" - you're right, it's not.  Bye, I guess?

I enjoyed it as well, and I think the two female leads wete quite well conceived and acted. 

 

In terms of style, I think this look evolves nicely from Enterprise - with just a little bit of Babylon 5 for good measure. I have no problem with the differences in display screen and control technologies given what real world changes which have happened since TOS. It reflected its day with 4:3  displays etc., and the new series have to reflect today.

 

Clearly, the Klingon look is intended to represent some stage after the augment virus did its nasty. We'll see how much it changes moving forward as there are some signs that it will.

Edited September 28, 2017 by DocM

[LOC Veteran]

Yeah, I had a tiny Babylon 5 vibe off the show also! Man, what I wouldn't give for some new B5 though

[DocM]

18 minutes ago, LOC said:

 Yeah, I had a tiny Babylon 5 vibe off the show also! Man, what I wouldn't gPreachin-0ive for some new B5 though l 

Preachin' to the choir, bro 

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i like to think of b5 as a less exciting ds9.

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19 hours ago, FloatingFatMan said:

YouTube is not the best place in the world to poll for opinons on a new show... It's full of trolls...

QFT. terrible place to get opinions or discuss anything.

[FloatingFatMan]

48 minutes ago, LOC said:

Yeah, I had a tiny Babylon 5 vibe off the show also! Man, what I wouldn't give for some new B5 though

I both would and wouldn't.  I'd rather not have a repeat of Season 5... and a lot of the original cast have passed away so it wouldn't be the same...

 

B5 without G'kar?  Naaaaaaaah.....

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1 hour ago, Slarlac249 said:

i like to think of b5 as a less exciting ds9.

Kinda, B5 was a really intricate storyline that knew exactly where it was heading (S1-S4, S5 was bolted on after) from day 1.  Less exciting, sure, but comparisons to DS9 end with "Space war"

[Slugsie]

12 minutes ago, Nefarious Trigger said:

Kinda, B5 was a really intricate storyline that knew exactly where it was heading (S1-S4, S5 was bolted on after) from day 1.  Less exciting, sure, but comparisons to DS9 end with "Space war"

That's sort of accurate IIRC. JMS originally planned a full 5 seasons, and got the go-ahead. Viewing figures tailed off a little mid way so TV execs cancelled S5, so JMS condensed what was left to fill the plot of all 5 seasons into 4 seasons. Viewers picked up again so S5 was back, but had to have a new story created to fill it up. Hence why S5 was a bit weaker.

 

The fact that B5 had a multi season long story arc was one of the things I really liked about it. But when they tried to do it with ST : DS9 and ST : Enterprise it didn't seem to work for me. It sort of did work with ST : Voyager because the background plot of getting home was almost incidental most of the time. For me, Star Trek works best when it's episodic, (maybe spanning 2 or 3 episodes). Let's see how STD goes when we know up front that it's going for a multi-series plot. Maybe it'll work, maybe it won't.

[Yogurth]

Well after watching the first two pilot episodes I have mixed feelings. The plot was meh especially throwing in Sarek, his ward, light years apart mind communication....etc. into all of this, acting was not great, Klingons all looked like The Creature from the Black Lagoon...but the trailer for the actual Star Trek Discovery plot line, looked both great and intriguing so I am hopeful...apart from Klingons growing facial hair and losing the fish fins.

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1 hour ago, Slugsie said:

The fact that B5 had a multi season long story arc was one of the things I really liked about it. But when they tried to do it with ST : DS9 and ST : Enterprise it didn't seem to work for me. It sort of did work with ST : Voyager because the background plot of getting home was almost incidental most of the time.

Trek has always been episodic.  Let's start with Voyager, not really much of an arc, more of a premise but yeah.

 

As for Ent and DS9 - Ent wasn't originally arc based, that came in under Manny Cotto and I feel it was just too late - it WOULD have worked but wasn't given time.

 

DS9 - the Arc works, it genuinely did - but it was for an audience that was used to episodic scientifically-fi.  And I don't think it was quite detailed enough, nor could it ever be for that audience - or the network.

 

For the record, I cannot stand TOS. Enjoyed TNG but it's not ageing well, loved DS9 post season 2, hated VOY, hated Ent S1-2, loved later seasons.

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i've never been a fan of story arcs as to me it seems like a lazy way of not having to bother telling a differen't story each week, the xindi and dominion thing dragged, but i enjoyed the dominion war plots better as the whole xindi thing was a bit over the top, though the battles were great.

 

i just hope in std they tell more stories and not just klingon stuff for the whole season...

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6 hours ago, Yogurth said:

Well after watching the first two pilot episodes I have mixed feelings. The plot was meh especially throwing in Sarek, his ward, light years apart mind communication....etc. into all of this, acting was not great, Klingons all looked like The Creature from the Black Lagoon...but the trailer for the actual Star Trek Discovery plot line, looked both great and intriguing so I am hopeful...apart from Klingons growing facial hair and losing the fish fins.

I think the Sarek mind thing is just a twist on what they did with ST3 and how Spock stuck himself in McCoy.   Sure it's a bit of a leap but then again, most things in Trek are.

[techbeck]

It is a syfy show, things may not make sense or seem believable if compared to real world.  Just enjoy the show for what it is.  Pick it apart to much or analyze it to much, will always find something to criticize and not like.

[ThisSiteHasLostItsCharm]

the only ones who will pick it apart will be the trolls and those who have no taste in good tv.

 

i liked the first two eps, they were more enjoyable than the reboot movies as the sets looked decent this time and there weren't as many lens flares.

Edited September 29, 2017 by Slarlac249

[LaP]

Liked the first 2 episodes enough to be excited about watching the 3rd one this weekend.

 

 

[FloatingFatMan]

On 9/28/2017 at 6:24 PM, George P said:

I think the Sarek mind thing is just a twist on what they did with ST3 and how Spock stuck himself in McCoy.   Sure it's a bit of a leap but then again, most things in Trek are.

I hope they don't do that sort of thing too often though...

[ThisSiteHasLostItsCharm]

i'm just glad they have some proper decent looking sets, not quite as good as enterprise but much better than the reboot movies, the engine room looks good this time round, so they must of got some actual designers in for this production and not just sent people out to find some real life location to film as "futuristic".

[George P Global Moderator]

Episode 3 is out, just finished watching it, finally see the Discovery itself, meet new characters, lots of questions to get answered for sure.   Really feels like the ship is part of Section 31 and we're in for covert missions going forward.

[Son_Of_Dad]

Certainly an improvement over the 2-part set, it was a decent episode in SCI-fi terms but it's just using the star trek name. The Discovery is an ugly looking design plain and simple. Still sticking with the holographic displays? Certainly something different about the ship but it shouldn't blend in S-31, they were shown to be extremely covert they didn't wear starfleet uniforms, have star ships, report to admirals, etc, etc. Speaking of uniforms they sentence someone to life in prison and put them in special overalls with a starfleet logo???

[Son_Of_Dad]

On 9/30/2017 at 4:54 PM, Slarlac249 said:

i'm just glad they have some proper decent looking sets, not quite as good as enterprise but much better than the reboot movies, the engine room looks good this time round

That brewery thing was a JOKE! Then in the non wrath of khan they had to kick a van der graaf generator into place to save the day :?

[upnorth]

After Trek is worth watching 

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6 hours ago, upnorth said:

After Trek is worth watching 

Oh Balls I stopped watching! I’ll havs to catch up tomorrow. 

 

Also back badges = definitely some S31 shenanigans