[Official] Star Trek: Discovery Thread

[Son_Of_Dad]

45 minutes ago, PeterTHX said:

Go somewhere else with that Midnight's Edge BS. It's a lie, plain & simple.

And you offer up so much proof of this

 

45 minutes ago, PeterTHX said:

There WILL be more Short Treks when the current season concludes.

 

You hold what position at CBS giving you this insight? Do you understand why they were implemented and what the lack of interest means?

 

45 minutes ago, PeterTHX said:

Netflix did NOT fund the series. They made a deal with CBS for ALL Trek shows and Moonves joked that their deal basically paid for Discovery - because it was so much.

NOT because they were actually paying for Discovery!

 

Lets say hypothetically Netflix give CBS 50 million for the international screening rights for season 1. Lets also say season 1 had a budget of 45 million. Again do you hold such a lofty position with the network you can categorically state the 50 mill for screening rights went into a bank account meanwhile 45 mill of CBS cash funded the first season?

[PeterTHX]

2 hours ago, techbeck said:

You sound upset.  Why the hostility?

Because I *hate* lies and misinformation. That's why.

[PeterTHX]

1 hour ago, Son_Of_Dad said:

And you offer up so much proof of this

 

 

You hold what position at CBS giving you this insight? Do you understand why they were implemented and what the lack of interest means?

 

 

Lets say hypothetically Netflix give CBS 50 million for the international screening rights for season 1. Lets also say season 1 had a budget of 45 million. Again do you hold such a lofty position with the network you can categorically state the 50 mill for screening rights went into a bank account meanwhile 45 mill of CBS cash funded the first season?

Because they lie time & time again. DSC was going to be an "anthology"... CBS was just going to burn off the first season...Sarek was going to be part of some "galactic event"...that it was part of the Kelvin Universe...Netflix didn't want the Short Treks...etc. etc. etc. Out and out lies and BS.

 

"Position at CBS"? If you'd bother to do some research yourself instead of relying on hater websites...

 

Netflix's deal was streaming rights for EVERY Star Trek series. DSC was already in production. The budget did not draw on that money. Nor is it for season 2 which has just as much (if not more) production value.

 

Meantime stop with the lies. You're just coming off as butthurt and "how dare you like something I don't like".

 

 

[Son_Of_Dad]

33 minutes ago, PeterTHX said:

Because they lie time & time again

Once again where is your documentation?

 

33 minutes ago, PeterTHX said:

DSC was going to be an "anthology".

Which was Bryan Fuller's intention......

 

33 minutes ago, PeterTHX said:

"Position at CBS"? If you'd bother to do some research yourself instead of relying on hater websites...

Obviously you've done this but no result

 

33 minutes ago, PeterTHX said:

Netflix's deal was streaming rights for EVERY Star Trek series. DSC was already in production.

They paid a sum of money for a singular series. Where are you drawing an error from?

 

33 minutes ago, PeterTHX said:

You're just coming off as butthurt

Are you sure? You're throwing quite the tantrum but offering up no information at proving it

[techbeck]

6 hours ago, PeterTHX said:

Because I *hate* lies and misinformation. That's why.

It is a show/discussion.  No need to get worked up.

[shockz]

16 hours ago, Son_Of_Dad said:

It's gone from comedic to full blown idiotic, as the writing becomes worse and the characters weaker. Hopefully the (rumored to be) stacked Viacom board put this experiment down. Even if CBS All Access does survive they could be making two shows for what this one costs

Examples? And no, Viacom isn't going to kill all access or discovery. Give me a break lol.

 

Characters aren't getting weaker, we've saw so much more development with not only bridge crew, but numerous relationships... stamets and tilly, saru and michael, pike and #1, as well as him and burnham. Tyler. Section31. Georgiou. Georgiou and Michael. etc etc etc...

 

I seriously doubt you're even watching it at this point.

 

Talk about comedic.... your post is full of it.

Edited February 17, 2019 by shockz

[Som]

13 hours ago, techbeck said:

One other thing, Discovery mentions a different chief engineer of the Enterprise and it was not Scotty.  And wasn't Spock both the a science officer and 1st Officer?  In Discovery, the 1st Officer of the Enterprise is a woman.  I was also hoping for Kirk to be in Discovery as Pike was only in Season 1 of TOS and not really mentioned much more than that.  And in Discovery, it was mentioned that the Enterprise was just getting back from its 5yr mission which would mean that Kirk would have been the captain and Scotty would have been chief engineer...if you go along with the TOS story line.

 

Edit:  Apparently, Discovery took place 10 years before the Kirk crew.  However, this was never mentioned before Discovery and something that Discovery has changed.   Apparently Spock was supposed to have served on the Enterprise for longer than what TOS let on.  Spock had apparently severed on a few 5yr missions on the Enterprise.   TOS only had 1 5yr mission and didnt mention previous ones from what I remember.

 

And if Discovery was supposed to take place 10yrs before the Kirk crew, then the only real tie in would be the Enterprise with Archers crew.  The TOS crew and story line didnt even exist then.

In the original pilot of Star Trek, the first officer was a women and went by Number 1, played by Majel Barrett , Gene Roddenberry's future wife, Scotty also wasn't there  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_One_(Star_Trek)

[Som]

15 hours ago, Human.Online said:

So pathetic how some people who don't like this seem to want it to end.  Fine, you don't like it - so stop watching, or do you just like to complain.

 

Many people do like it, and you want them to go without because your bruised nostalgia is so threatened.

personally for me it's not nostalgia, its just not very good and I find it dumb, I get frustrated with dumb... hence my complaint about section 31 being a "secret" organisation that every knows about ... I don't want it to be cancelled I just want it to get better

[shockz]

50 minutes ago, Som said:

personally for me it's not nostalgia, its just not very good and I find it dumb, I get frustrated with dumb... hence my complaint about section 31 being a "secret" organisation that every knows about ... I don't want it to be cancelled I just want it to get better

"I've never saw those badges before"....Standard Starfleet Officer/Citizen. Third episode of the show. S31 isn't a mainstream organization. S31 has been on discovery since the getgo and that's probably why the characters are more casual about it's presence. Command obvious knows of its existence as well.

[George P Global Moderator]

1 hour ago, shockz said:

"I've never saw those badges before"....Standard Starfleet Officer/Citizen. Third episode of the show. S31 isn't a mainstream organization. S31 has been on discovery since the getgo and that's probably why the characters are more casual about it's presence. Command obvious knows of its existence as well.

I was going to bring this up, are people forgetting that discovery itself is a top secret project/ship?   Not quite section 31 level secret but close.  No one outside of command and the ships crew itself knows about the spore drive for example.  Pike was told about it and he didn't even believe it at first.    Besides by the time of DS9, so far after the war that the few people who know about section 31, who aren't part of it, are either dead or pretty old and retired so it's become more of a myth again.

[PeterTHX]

11 hours ago, Son_Of_Dad said:

Once again where is your documentation?

Are you sure? You're throwing quite the tantrum but offering up no information at proving it

I've listed several examples but you're willingly ignoring them.

I've wasted enough time.

[Emn1ty]

On 2/7/2019 at 7:30 PM, techbeck said:

I think people are to focused and hoping that it would be a rehash or a similar feeling to the old series.  If that was the case, they would never get new viewership.  Younger people these days are not going to watch or enjoy TOS, TNG, DS9, STV, or the movies, and know the history and story lines from back then.    People not familiar with the older series have no frame of reference and will not be be upset or annoyed that Discovery is changing things.  I noticed tonight, they used Number One a lot.  That and the sounds from the other episodes only Trek fans and those who know the other series would notice.  I kind of like it.  Discovery used to bug me as it was different, but it is just a show.  I watch for entertainment and so far, that is what I am getting from it.   And heck, if people are so annoyed by what Discovery has to offer, the show has much more technology that the other series combined.  The Trek universe is huge and need to open your mind a little. 

To summarize something that was a very long post until I decided to scrap it. My primary issue as someone who's watched all the series and many of them multiple times over is not the inconsistency in the timelines, not the inconsistency in the technology. It's the fact that Star Trek: Discovery's crew seems to have zero understanding of what Starfleet actually is. None of them behave like Starfleet officers, and constantly they seem perfectly okay to stand by for long periods of time while they or others violate Starfleet's principles. Star Trek feels like a backdrop, a skin for this show.

[techbeck]

2 hours ago, Emn1ty said:

To summarize something that was a very long post until I decided to scrap it. My primary issue as someone who's watched all the series and many of them multiple times over is not the inconsistency in the timelines, not the inconsistency in the technology. It's the fact that Star Trek: Discovery's crew seems to have zero understanding of what Starfleet actually is. None of them behave like Starfleet officers, and constantly they seem perfectly okay to stand by for long periods of time while they or others violate Starfleet's principles. Star Trek feels like a backdrop, a skin for this show.

 

isnt that how society acts now tho?

7 hours ago, Som said:

In the original pilot of Star Trek, the first officer was a women and went by Number 1, played by Majel Barrett , Gene Roddenberry's future wife, Scotty also wasn't there  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_One_(Star_Trek)

Thanks.  My TOS is a little rusty.  More of a TNG kinda guy.

[Emn1ty]

19 minutes ago, techbeck said:

isnt that how society acts now tho?

I'm not really sure why that matters. In order to make commentary on today's societal norms and issues you don't need to gut the fundamental aspects of Starfleet. That's where the show is lacking, it doesn't touch on the bigger picture at all like past Star Trek series have. It's more tied up in drama between characters rather than trying to answer big problems.

[Son_Of_Dad]

3 hours ago, Emn1ty said:

In order to make commentary on today's societal norms and issues you don't need to gut the fundamental aspects of Starfleet.

You also don't shouldn't need to force the issues onto the viewers. It's something that fundamentally changed in Dr Who resulting in a large chunk of the fan base disappearing

[Son_Of_Dad]

12 hours ago, shockz said:

Examples? And no, Viacom isn't going to kill all access or discovery. Give me a break lol.

Oh lookie lookie another member of the CBS board, using "lol" clearly demonstrates an executive position

 

12 hours ago, shockz said:

Characters aren't getting weaker

You're saying Pike can't get any weaker he's bottomed out?

 

12 hours ago, shockz said:

we've saw so much more development with not only bridge crew

That they can now all yell details at the CO overlapping each other doesn't demonstrate strength. Doesn't really demonstrate much other than the seat isn't occupied by a sack of beans as in season 1

 

12 hours ago, shockz said:

I seriously doubt you're even watching it at this point.

This is why I can point out faults which gather no reply other than howls of "oh you're just a hater!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

 

[FloatingFatMan]

9 hours ago, Emn1ty said:

To summarize something that was a very long post until I decided to scrap it. My primary issue as someone who's watched all the series and many of them multiple times over is not the inconsistency in the timelines, not the inconsistency in the technology. It's the fact that Star Trek: Discovery's crew seems to have zero understanding of what Starfleet actually is. None of them behave like Starfleet officers, and constantly they seem perfectly okay to stand by for long periods of time while they or others violate Starfleet's principles. Star Trek feels like a backdrop, a skin for this show.

TBH, this is precisely why S31 can be so visible in this Trek.  Seeing as no one else seems to hold Starfleet principles to heart, why worry about an organisation that breaks every single one of them constantly?

 

I'm kinda onboard with this new theory that the "Prime" timeline in the STD universe isn't the same timeline as TNG etc "canon" timeline.  They've called it Prime to fool the fans when really it's different to the Canon one that we all know so well.

2 hours ago, Son_Of_Dad said:

You also don't shouldn't need to force the issues onto the viewers. It's something that fundamentally changed in Dr Who resulting in a large chunk of the fan base disappearing

Most of the Dr Who fans left after the PC brigade took over the show.

 

[shockz]

wtf is being forced on viewers?

[techbeck]

23 hours ago, Emn1ty said:

I'm not really sure why that matters. In order to make commentary on today's societal norms and issues you don't need to gut the fundamental aspects of Starfleet. That's where the show is lacking, it doesn't touch on the bigger picture at all like past Star Trek series have. It's more tied up in drama between characters rather than trying to answer big problems.

IMO, like I said before, it is a show filled full of many impossible things.   If you take it to seriously and analyze it to much, you will find fault in it and will not like it.   Where you find things are lacking, some are actually enjoying it.  While I liked the way previous series flowed, I am liking this as well.  And pretty much how most shows are going these says.   If people are looking for the familiar feel of past series, there is always the Orville.

[Emn1ty]

20 hours ago, techbeck said:

IMO, like I said before, it is a show filled full of many impossible things.   If you take it to seriously and analyze it to much, you will find fault in it and will not like it.   Where you find things are lacking, some are actually enjoying it.  While I liked the way previous series flowed, I am liking this as well.  And pretty much how most shows are going these says.   If people are looking for the familiar feel of past series, there is always the Orville.

My comments weren't anything to do with it being a good series or not (though there are a lot of things I don't like about the series beyond just its inconsistency with prior series). People are free to enjoy the shows they want and for the reasons they want. Just because I have problems with it or others do doesn't mean people shouldn't decide for themselves. But that also doesn't mean people who have these issues can't point them out.

[_kane81]

I actually enjoyed both seasons of star trek discovery, different feel to previous series but in a good way IMO and I like the story arcs. 
Last thing I probably want to watch is another new series which is just like TNG.... 

Love the The Orville too if you want to go back to TNG with extra humor 😛

[shockz]

On 2/18/2019 at 6:41 PM, shockz said:

wtf is being forced on viewers?

I see crickets per usual to a direct question. More smoke and nothing aside from complaining for the sake of complaining.

[FloatingFatMan]

6 hours ago, shockz said:

I see crickets per usual to a direct question. More smoke and nothing aside from complaining for the sake of complaining.

Who were you asking? 

[spacelordmaster]

The dude that plays Captain Pike is awesome. Love him. I thought Bruce Greenwood was great but this guy nailed it. He is just awesome.

[LOC Veteran]

I love all the negative nancy Youtubers I'm watching these days going off the deep end over Discovery. Its one thing to not like the show, but they are so negative and so dismissive of it (over say, The Orville, which I  understand lol) they can't see any good in it whatsoever. And now especially with some of them going hog wild that they are CERTAIN the Red Angel is a certain person, ugh. I don't know why I watch such negative stuff on things I enjoy personally. I guess I like punishing myself?