[Official] Star Trek: Discovery Thread

[FloatingFatMan]

2 hours ago, LOC said:

And now especially with some of them going hog wild that they are CERTAIN the Red Angel is a certain person, ugh.

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Looking closely at the angel's body type, I don't think it's Michael as she's far too skinny. I think it might be Tilly...

 

[techbeck]

On 2/25/2019 at 5:14 AM, FloatingFatMan said:

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Looking closely at the angel's body type, I don't think it's Michael as she's far too skinny. I think it might be Tilly...

 

Or or it could just be the suit.

 

Anyway, looks like we are going

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to finally see Spock on the next episode.

 

[LOC Veteran]

I rather enjoy some of the theories people have about who is actually the Red Angel (or as it should be called, the Red Being I guess?). The best one I've seen is that the Red Angel is actually the AI from the Short Trek episode Calypso and it'll tie into why Discovery was in a nebula for over 1,000 years etc. I mean, that would be awesome and make sense if they wanna tie in the Short Treks into the main season arcs etc, but I really doubt it'll be that since like no one watched those short episodes sadly. Calypso was actually my favorite one of them that they did, not to mention its the furthest we've been in the Prime Timeline, even if we didn't see much of anything than Discovery and the new AI and some background on the 33rd century (or was it the 31st, I forget now) where it seems the Federation is gone, maybe?

 

In any event, I just hope the Red Angel reveal isn't some lame cop out (aka Michael or even Spock though that's very doubtful now). If you think about it, Discovery isn't really Prime universe anymore right? The Red Angel has been screwing with the timeline to make events turn out different, and Michael is all at the center of it. Aka, Spock sees the Red Angel and then tells Sarek where she is and she is saved (instead of dying as she should have it seems) she then in the future starts a war with the Klingons, the Spore drive is finished and etc etc. It doesn't explain the holographic communications  but hey, one thing at a time. If they are going to use the Red Angel story to reset the timeline somehow, or literally delete Michael from the timeline to save the universe (really writers?) as a savior and all that. I don't know, seems highly unlikely but I wouldn't put it past them at this point considering how unpopular (online at least) the 1st season's arc was played out into the 2nd season. Only problem with this theory, is that Kurtzman has said that CBS didn't allow him to reset everything with the Red Angel. Not sure why they wouldn't, but whatever.

 

Ok, rant over sorry. I'm tired and I just finished watching The Orville again and got into Discovery theories 😛

[+primortal Subscriber²]

So much for Discovery being canceled, been renewed for a third season

http://www.startrek.com/news/discovery-renewed-season-three?fbclid=IwAR173JOTiE30uE73ZZbCClYAgElpLALZNpGO9O4ZKlzdoNgeQWD6mqYGGfE

[shockz]

Renewed for Season 3! 

 

What ever shall those angry YouTubers do now?! 

[LOC Veteran]

1 hour ago, shockz said:

Renewed for Season 3! 

 

What ever shall those angry YouTubers do now?! 

I know! Complain about how the SJW's let Discovery get a season 3 and they are ruining everything! (I think one of the Youtubers has already posted that actually, which is pretty sad lol)

[PeterTHX]

1 hour ago, shockz said:

Renewed for Season 3! 

 

What ever shall those angry YouTubers do now?! 

Just further proof Midnight's Edge is full of felgercarb (to quote another classic series).

[PeterTHX]

On ‎2‎/‎17‎/‎2019 at 1:15 PM, Emn1ty said:

It's the fact that Star Trek: Discovery's crew seems to have zero understanding of what Starfleet actually is. None of them behave like Starfleet officers, and constantly they seem perfectly okay to stand by for long periods of time while they or others violate Starfleet's principles.

You make this charge yet don't back it up. Exactly HOW is this?

 

You also need to realize this is mid 23rd Century Starfleet. Not late 24th Century (TNG, DS9, VOY) Starfleet. It's still more of a Wild West time in the Federation's history. Where McCoy can make openly racist statements against Spock for example.

[techbeck]

2 minutes ago, PeterTHX said:

You also need to realize this is mid 23rd Century Starfleet. Not late 24th Century (TNG, DS9, VOY) Starfleet. It's still more of a Wild West time in the Federation's history. Where McCoy can make openly racist statements against Spock for example.

Not only that, but rules were broken a lot during the other series. 

[techbeck]

1 hour ago, primortal said:

So much for Discovery being canceled, been renewed for a third season

http://www.startrek.com/news/discovery-renewed-season-three?fbclid=IwAR173JOTiE30uE73ZZbCClYAgElpLALZNpGO9O4ZKlzdoNgeQWD6mqYGGfE

No surprised it is getting renewed.  Ratings were not bad.  I think the would be higher if viewership was not limited.

[Emn1ty]

1 hour ago, PeterTHX said:

You make this charge yet don't back it up. Exactly HOW is this?

 

You also need to realize this is mid 23rd Century Starfleet. Not late 24th Century (TNG, DS9, VOY) Starfleet. It's still more of a Wild West time in the Federation's history. Where McCoy can make openly racist statements against Spock for example.

How about them stabbing a newly discovered life form with gigantic needles just so they could teleport around? I don't recall even TOS going so far.

 

Especially not many of the crew members seemingly being okay with it too the point they get onto a huge fight over it being in a cage and displaying zero interest in understanding the life form... on a Science ship.

 

1 hour ago, techbeck said:

Not only that, but rules were broken a lot during the other series. 

Most of the rules breaking in other series was because of situations where characters personally disagree, but the show always illustrated why those rules exist. Discovery has no interest in those kinds of topics.

 

Keep in mind that even during TOS, the prime directive still existed.

[+primortal Subscriber²]

11 minutes ago, Emn1ty said:

How about them stabbing a newly discovered life form with gigantic needles just so they could teleport around? I don't recall even TOS going so far.

How about firing phasers at a creature in The Devil in The Dark (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0708460/?ref_=ttep_ep26)?  Or using a "dog" to test the transporter in The Enemy Within (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0708463/?ref_=ttep_ep6)?

 

15 minutes ago, Emn1ty said:

Most of the rules breaking in other series was because of situations where characters personally disagree, but the show always illustrated why those rules exist. Discovery has no interest in those kinds of topics. 

 

Keep in mind that even during TOS, the prime directive still existed. 

 

 

They have been using the edict of getting to the bottom about the signals as a reason to break some rules. TOS rarely did story arcs, whereas this season of Discovery is and to keep repeating why they are breaking the rules will become annoying.

 

The Prime Directive (named something different in this time period) exists in Discovery as well.  It was brought up twice; New Eden and The Sound of Thunder.

 

[techbeck]

9 minutes ago, primortal said:

The Prime Directive (named something different in this time period) exists in Discovery as well.  It was brought up twice; New Eden and The Sound of Thunder.

 

General Order One

[techbeck]

30 minutes ago, Emn1ty said:

How about them stabbing a newly discovered life form with gigantic needles just so they could teleport around? I don't recall even TOS going so far.

 

Especially not many of the crew members seemingly being okay with it too the point they get onto a huge fight over it being in a cage and displaying zero interest in understanding the life form... on a Science ship.

 

This is how man acts and is.   While I like the idea, it is unrealistic that man would change in such a way to be above doing this when it has been going on since the beginning of time.   Also, this shows that man is still human and subject to this kind of thing.

[LOC Veteran]

Yup, Nerdrotic reported on the renewal and its nothing but negative spin blah blah blah.

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45 minutes ago, LOC said:

Yup, Nerdrotic reported on the renewal and its nothing but negative spin blah blah blah.

lol, that was actually highly entertaining. The spin he managed to pull out of his ass cracked me up.  “His insider” who’s been wrong about everything, said it was on the bubble. Yeah, okay. Lol 

Edited February 27, 2019 by shockz

[Yogurth]

  I am glad the show has been renewed, I just hope they will fix the writing and remove all of the spore drive stuff ASAP. Nothing about it makes sense and it isn't even science speculation let alone science fiction

[LOC Veteran]

I'm pretty sure by the end of this season the spore drive won't be an issue anymore. I think that's the whole point basically of this red angel stuff, to redo the show and reset it back kinda. Though as I said in one of those theories, I guess it depends on how they want to actually write it out of the show. Will they make it make sense, or will it be a fast, dumb fix-a-roo like the 1st season finale was.

[spacelordmaster]

On 2/25/2019 at 3:17 AM, LOC said:

I love all the negative nancy Youtubers I'm watching these days going off the deep end over Discovery. Its one thing to not like the show, but they are so negative and so dismissive of it (over say, The Orville, which I  understand lol) they can't see any good in it whatsoever. And now especially with some of them going hog wild that they are CERTAIN the Red Angel is a certain person, ugh. I don't know why I watch such negative stuff on things I enjoy personally. I guess I like punishing myself?

People are very ignorant. Discovery and The Orville are great shows. Both getting better and better with each season. Let the haters hate. Nothing we can do about it.

[techbeck]

1 hour ago, spacelordmaster said:

People are very ignorant. Discovery and The Orville are great shows. Both getting better and better with each season. Let the haters hate. Nothing we can do about it.

What does ignorance have to do with ones opinion on a show?  They are informed, they know what the show is about...they just don't like it.   IF people never watched the show and said they don't like it, I would agree with you.

1 hour ago, LOC said:

I'm pretty sure by the end of this season the spore drive won't be an issue anymore. I think that's the whole point basically of this red angel stuff, to redo the show and reset it back kinda. Though as I said in one of those theories, I guess it depends on how they want to actually write it out of the show. Will they make it make sense, or will it be a fast, dumb fix-a-roo like the 1st season finale was.

I don't think we will see the spore drive anymore.  That has been put to rest a couple episodes ago.

[FloatingFatMan]

9 hours ago, techbeck said:

This is how man acts and is.   While I like the idea, it is unrealistic that man would change in such a way to be above doing this when it has been going on since the beginning of time.   Also, this shows that man is still human and subject to this kind of thing.

I don't recall the crew of Enterprise, under Archer, acting this disdainfully... If anything, they were TOO quick to judge how people treated others and interfere...

11 hours ago, PeterTHX said:

You make this charge yet don't back it up. Exactly HOW is this?

 

You also need to realize this is mid 23rd Century Starfleet. Not late 24th Century (TNG, DS9, VOY) Starfleet. It's still more of a Wild West time in the Federation's history. Where McCoy can make openly racist statements against Spock for example.

Enterprise was set even earlier, yet the crew didn't act like this...

[FloatingFatMan]

12 hours ago, LOC said:

I know! Complain about how the SJW's let Discovery get a season 3 and they are ruining everything! (I think one of the Youtubers has already posted that actually, which is pretty sad lol)

Being critical of a show doesn't mean you're a hater.  I've been very critical of it, and will continue to be so when they screw up, but have no problem admitting that the episodes ARE getting better and I'm glad it's getting another season so it can hopefully keep getting better.

 

Remember all the hate Enterprise used to get? I loved that show, despite it's problems. Disco's problems are far worse and deep rooted than those of Enterprise but anyone fair minded can see they're trying to fix things. I'm happy to give them the time needed to do that.

 

Disco's BIGGEST problem, IMO, is putting it behind a paywall.  Big mistake. That alone ###### off a LOT of people...

Edited February 28, 2019 by FloatingFatMan

[spacelordmaster]

4 hours ago, techbeck said:

What does ignorance have to do with ones opinion on a show?  They are informed, they know what the show is about...they just don't like it.   IF people never watched the show and said they don't like it, I would agree with you.

I don't think we will see the spore drive anymore.  That has been put to rest a couple episodes ago.

I will agree that the spore drive is super stupid, especially when it has never been mentioned before in any of the other Star Trek series. Not even in TNG. That needs to go. Let's just stay with regular warp drive thank you. The show isn't perfect but it's getting better. If it wasn't they would have never green lit Season 3, which is ready to begin production soon. Enterprise was a good show. Too bad it was short lived. 

[Brys]

Haven't caught up with the last episodes but I see it's been renewed.

Even if I didn't like it, I'd rather it goes on and has a chance to get better, than it being just canceled and the network considering star trek just does not work, which isn't true. I've seen a lot of shows take one or two seasons before they got better. I think even TNG started out with half the episodes being just Wesley (Weasley wesleay whatever I don't know how to spell his name) randomly solving everything

 

I also agree with the spore drive bit. The problem is so stupidly obvious : let's make a show that happens before all the others, but they have a tech that goes faster than in every other show that happened decades or centuries later... right now what I need is either a good reason for it never to be used again, or some magical way that it's either forgotten or can't work again, otherwise it breaks my suspension of disbelief for almost every other star trek show. Enterprise somehow explained the klingon's appearance, so I'm sure they could explain this if they wanted.

[+primortal Subscriber²]

 Nice history about the Spor Drive, https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Spore_drive

 

Basically, it's dead in the water because of a lack of a non-human interface.  I wouldn't be surprised that they mothball it and classify it as top secret so as never to be spoken about again which would cover the existing cannons for TNG, DS9, and VOY.

 

Then there's the possibility to resurrect it with Patrick Stewart's new show.