[Official] Star Trek: Discovery Thread

[techbeck]

I still think the last we saw of the spore drive is the episode where Tilly was taken.  Using the spore drive was damaging to spore creatures world.  Forget the exact wording right now.  It is early.  But I really don't think we will see it again.  Though, I could be wrong.

[spacelordmaster]

7 hours ago, Brys said:

Haven't caught up with the last episodes but I see it's been renewed.

Even if I didn't like it, I'd rather it goes on and has a chance to get better, than it being just canceled and the network considering star trek just does not work, which isn't true. I've seen a lot of shows take one or two seasons before they got better. I think even TNG started out with half the episodes being just Wesley (Weasley wesleay whatever I don't know how to spell his name) randomly solving everything

 

I also agree with the spore drive bit. The problem is so stupidly obvious : let's make a show that happens before all the others, but they have a tech that goes faster than in every other show that happened decades or centuries later... right now what I need is either a good reason for it never to be used again, or some magical way that it's either forgotten or can't work again, otherwise it breaks my suspension of disbelief for almost every other star trek show. Enterprise somehow explained the klingon's appearance, so I'm sure they could explain this if they wanted.

Correct. If the Spore Drive was so effective, why didn't Voyager use it to come back home? Why was it never mentioned on STNG? or even the original series?

 

I am quite sure they will find a way to get rid of it and write it out of the timeline and explain why it was never mentioned in the future timelines, because it truly makes no sense, like you said, to have something on the show that is more advanced than anything in the Picard era. It's just stupid.

 

[Brys]

12 minutes ago, spacelordmaster said:

Correct. If the Spore Drive was so effective, why didn't Voyager use it to come back home? Why was it never mentioned on STNG? or even the original series?

 

I am quite sure they will find a way to get rid of it and write it out of the timeline and explain why it was never mentioned in the future timelines, because it truly makes no sense, like you said, to have something on the show that is more advanced than anything in the Picard era. It's just stupid.

 

Then again one of the first few episodes of TOS, they just pop out time travel "oh no a planet is destroyed let's just jump back in time and then never ever do that again". Sure, sure, temporal cold war, whatever.

[FloatingFatMan]

1 hour ago, Brys said:

Then again one of the first few episodes of TOS, they just pop out time travel "oh no a planet is destroyed let's just jump back in time and then never ever do that again". Sure, sure, temporal cold war, whatever.

Time travel occurs several times in TOS, and then lots and lots in later series...

 

And yes, the Spore drive is a bloody stupid idea for Trek for anything set before TNG, but we all know the real reason they're getting rid of it isn't because it's canon breaking, but more because it's copyright breaking.  Once the whole Tardigrades court case gets heard, CBS are gonna lose their shirts.

 

[techbeck]

2 hours ago, spacelordmaster said:

Correct. If the Spore Drive was so effective, why didn't Voyager use it to come back home? Why was it never mentioned on STNG? or even the original series?

 

I am quite sure they will find a way to get rid of it and write it out of the timeline and explain why it was never mentioned in the future timelines, because it truly makes no sense, like you said, to have something on the show that is more advanced than anything in the Picard era. It's just stupid.

 

When things are classified at the highest level, then not many have access to the info or where it is stored.  I am sure Captain Janeway did not have high enough clearance to know about it and I doubt it was stored on the Voyager.

 

It has already pretty much been explained why the Spore drive is no more and like I said previously, I don't see it coming back again.  Using the Spore drive hurt/killed the species that lived in the Mycelium world.   IMO, the last time it was used and will be used was when Tilly was rescued.

[shockz]

We'll probably see a few more jumps if the rot dots show up anywhere outside the Alpha quadrant. But yeah, we've saw where it's damaging to things that live there. No doubt that'll be involved in the end of its use.

 

There were also the cryptic remarks about Tilly seeing her again though.

[techbeck]

8 minutes ago, shockz said:

We'll probably see a few more jumps if the rot dots show up anywhere outside the Alpha quadrant. But yeah, we've saw where it's damaging to things that live there. No doubt that'll be involved in the end of its use.

 

There were also the cryptic remarks about Tilly seeing her again though.

We shall see.  I  always found things like like the Spore Drive and time travel as lazy writing or the inability to come up with a better idea.  Time travel is used way to much in shows/movies.

[George P Global Moderator]

Since the start, discovery was classified as a war time top secret ship.  To those outside the know, it's just another science ship, command and the crew were/are the only ones who know about the spore drive.   I think it's pretty clear by the fact that even Pike didn't know about the tech and he's captain of the fleets flagship.    Regardless, they've pointed out on lots of times that the jumps hurt the network, which is key to keeping the universe going etc.   They might have to use it at least one more time till the season ends but I think it'll be a last resort type jump and will be the final time it's used.  

 

After that they'll hide it away and by the time of TNG, most people who know about it are not in star fleet anymore or already dead.

 

As far as the red angel plot goes, it could be a good way to bring things back in order, specially if CBS and Paramount/Viacom finally become one again this year.  Heck, if it doesn't take place in season 2 it could be the plot for season 3.

[LOC Veteran]

There's another reason why TNG etc have never mentioned a spore drive - it was never in the script. Aka the oldest thing I remember my Father telling me about inconsistencies in TV shows and even movies, it was never mentioned because it was only thought up recently and thus was never in the script to be mentioned, end of story really

[shockz]

Weakest episode of the series tonight. A few good parts but way too much happening. Could of been two episodes. Wrapped up too quick, especially with the shuttle lost in time.

 

Hyped up over next weeks promo though... 

[techbeck]

Good episode.  Lots going on.  At least we got to see Spock and shall see how the next episode develops his character.

[LOC Veteran]

Wow I saw Nerdrotic doing a livestream review of Discovery (and even knowing what I was getting into) so I joined their chat. Holy crap. I truly fear for Humanity. Apparently, I'm a "drekkie" btw.

[PeterTHX]

On ‎2‎/‎27‎/‎2019 at 12:33 PM, Emn1ty said:

How about them stabbing a newly discovered life form with gigantic needles just so they could teleport around? I don't recall even TOS going so far.

 

Especially not many of the crew members seemingly being okay with it too the point they get onto a huge fight over it being in a cage and displaying zero interest in understanding the life form... on a Science ship.

 

Most of the rules breaking in other series was because of situations where characters personally disagree, but the show always illustrated why those rules exist. Discovery has no interest in those kinds of topics.

 

Keep in mind that even during TOS, the prime directive still existed.

You also forget (deliberately?) they were at war. And had a Captain bending the rules for reasons later revealed to be consistent with his character's origin.

 

They also released it and found another way.

23 hours ago, FloatingFatMan said:

I don't recall the crew of Enterprise, under Archer, acting this disdainfully... If anything, they were TOO quick to judge how people treated others and interfere...

Enterprise was set even earlier, yet the crew didn't act like this...

The crew were somewhat bland about everything. It *was* Berman-era TREK after all.

[PeterTHX]

13 hours ago, FloatingFatMan said:

Time travel occurs several times in TOS, and then lots and lots in later series...

 

And yes, the Spore drive is a bloody stupid idea for Trek for anything set before TNG, but we all know the real reason they're getting rid of it isn't because it's canon breaking, but more because it's copyright breaking.  Once the whole Tardigrades court case gets heard, CBS are gonna lose their shirts.

 

Not going to happen. The copyright suit is frivolous and will get tossed sooner or later.

 

And the ship has to be configured for Spore Drive. Not to mention they only have Stamets as a means to access the network. He didn't exist on any other series now, did he?

[FloatingFatMan]

6 minutes ago, PeterTHX said:

Not going to happen. The copyright suit is frivolous and will get tossed sooner or later.

 

Why? Because it's a big bad megacorp vs a single man coding in his home office? 

 

The evidence is clear. These companies are quick enough to slap down people when we use their property, so it's about time someone stood up to them when THEIR property is stolen!

 

[LOC Veteran]

I dunno I think the lawsuit has merit. I think its pretty obvious they stole SOME of the ideas from the game. So who knows how it'll end.

 

Anyways, just watched tonights episode. Wasn't bad, didn't expect the uh, thingy to happen midway through the episode. Though I will agree with Nerdrotic and his community (I guess?) about one thing:

 

Spoiler

What the hell was that with Spock? Making him basically have dyslexia and crying Sarek like that? I dunno I give Discovery the benefit of the doubt on A TON of stuff but this is stretching it even for me. Oh and in case you didn't get it from above, the "thingy" was the probe into the time anomaly coming back and being all augmented from the 28th century (I think that's where it was from) and yet again I think they are going to tie in the AI from the Short Trek as the Red Angel or something like that.

 

[Brys]

14 hours ago, FloatingFatMan said:

Time travel occurs several times in TOS, and then lots and lots in later series...

 

True, but if I recall correctly, it's never as careless as that very first episode, where they just decide "hell let's go back in time and fix that". There's always some excuse, like, they did it by accident, or they followed someone who's trying to break the timeline or something. I'm never quite happy with a universe where time travel is possible, but at least most of the time they act like it's not something they can just do on a whim.

But we're moving away from the main topic. And yes, I admit it's not as problematic as the spore drive.

 

Anyway, I'm thinking at some point the spores will probably all get sick and die or something, and the spore drive won't ever work again. I'm still hoping they planned something like that from the beginning. That, or, they find out using the spore drive hurts another species (if they haven't already, I've been lagging behind) and will chose to never use it again.

[Yogurth]

  Well so much about dissolving the Spore Drive and Mycelial Network out of the show, rather it seems that for every "unsolvable" problem Discovery will utilize the Network. Tilly has to be either removed from the show or overwritten for season 3 at least, her character is straight out of Legally Blonde before the Blonde gets serious.

Writing continues to be quite disappointing, this episode had several not so logical leaps during the dialogues and every time I wondered what exactly in the conversations spurred them. 

 

The only character that was written good was Sarek, he was perfect infact.

 

Sigh..

 

Oh yes, the subplot twist at the end is directly nicked from soap operas.

Edited March 1, 2019 by Yogurth

[Brys]

1 hour ago, LOC said:

Wow I saw Nerdrotic doing a livestream review of Discovery (and even knowing what I was getting into) so I joined their chat. Holy crap. I truly fear for Humanity. Apparently, I'm a "drekkie" btw.

Can you summarize what a "drekkie" is in a couple words ? I'm curious, but not enough to go browse youtube.

[FloatingFatMan]

41 minutes ago, Brys said:

Can you summarize what a "drekkie" is in a couple words ? I'm curious, but not enough to go browse youtube.

A Drekkie is, simply put, someone who defends Star Trek Discovery as being "real" Star Trek.

 

Also, to expand a little more on the terms.  A Trekkie is someone who is totally IN to Star Trek.. Probably has all the toys and costumes etc, might even speak Klingon and goes to as many conventions as they can manage.  Generally, the nerds of the fandom. Such people are often the most outspoken in defence of Trek.

 

A Trekker (me), is someone who enjoys the show for what it is and might even defend it, but doesn't go in to the collectables and other stuff.

[xMorpheousx416]

Surprised there's no mention of Captain Braxton of the Starship Relativity.  

 

Who's main purpose is to prevent temporal disruptions.  Currently from the 29th century... although it made no sense that the Federation at that time, and no issues during a series of disasterous timeline incursions in the Delta quadrant that ST:Voyager went thru.  Nor did he stop Janeway from altering the timeline when she reduced the ships travel time to just under eight years back to Earth.

 

Perhaps the Red Angel is farther into the future?  Or that the Federation never gets all the information due to some plot twist?  Possible that time travel by aliens outside the reach of the Federation remains above top secret, and is thus not passed on to Starship captains.  Which, if that were the case, puts a subtle touch on why time travel would be less important than the Omega Directive.

 

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I am quite sure they will find a way to get rid of it and write it out of the timeline and explain why it was never mentioned in the future timelines, because it truly makes no sense, like you said, to have something on the show that is more advanced than anything in the Picard era. It's just stupid.

In this case, it would make sense to make it all disappear, as you cannot go back and rewrite shows that are almost lost on Blu ray... however, "more advanced than the Picard era"?  ST:Voyager's doc used 29th century tech in his holo-emitter.

[FloatingFatMan]

3 minutes ago, xMorpheousx416 said:

ST:Voyager's doc used 29th century tech in his holo-emitter.

I always found that stupid.  I mean, really? Humans can make holodecks in the 24th century, but can't figure out how to make one mobile? Riiiiiiiiight...   Even Red Dwarf had those... Just a simple little "light bee" flying micro-drone with an on board holo-emitter....

[xMorpheousx416]

4 minutes ago, FloatingFatMan said:

A Drekkie is, simply put, someone who defends Star Trek Discovery as being "real" Star Trek.

Hold up?
 

Drekkie is to Discovery as to:
ST:TOS = (I will assume this starts with just Trekkie)

ST:TNG =

ST:DS9 =

ST:Voyager = 

ST:Enterpise = 

 

Do we have geekie side names for anyone who believes those Star Trek's are real?  😂😂

[FloatingFatMan]

2 minutes ago, xMorpheousx416 said:

Do we have geekie side names for anyone who believes those Star Trek's are real?  😂😂

Not "real" as in reality, but "real" as in, holds to what Gene Roddenberry created Star Trek to be.

[xMorpheousx416]

1 minute ago, FloatingFatMan said:

I always found that stupid.  I mean, really? Humans can make holodecks in the 24th century, but can't figure out how to make one mobile? Riiiiiiiiight...   Even Red Dwarf had those... Just a simple little "light bee" flying micro-drone with an on board holo-emitter....

Depends on how you view the situation.  It was mentioned several times, in many episodes.. particularly when his program was severely degraded, that the volume of "coding" as it were, took up it's own computer systems just to keep him running.  That magnitude of horsepower was beyond 24th capability.  When they had to use a back up, to restore him, that was completely wiped out due to the fact the program itself was designed only to be used once.

 

Some people here have computer systems well into the thousands of dollars (massive ram, ghz up the wazoo, and 17" 2080Tis/ terrabytes of storage), but none of them are wearing them on their sleeves at this point.

1 minute ago, FloatingFatMan said:

Not "real" as in reality, but "real" as in, holds to what Gene Roddenberry created Star Trek to be.

I can understand that.

 

But.. there's only ten Star Wars movies, and we have 100s of SW books.  There's ten Star Trek movies along a single timeline, three more that throw all those under the bus... and how many ST books?  

 

What keeps it interesting, is seeing what can be done in a limited time frame... Discovery is only ten years before Kirk.