14-year-old girl gang raped by Indian military on train

[HawkMan]

7 hours ago, catweazel said:

No surprise there.There's one massive common denominator.

In Sweden: 77% of rapes committed by 2% Muslim male population 

No. absolutely false statistics. 

 

Yes. the majority of "assault rapes" are often than by people from the middle east coming here. Assault rapes are the most reported rapes, BUT they are a very small number of total rapes. the majority are so called party and "friend" rapes. which largely go unreported, and when they are are very hard if not impossible to prove.

[catweazel]

17 hours ago, HawkMan said:

No. absolutely false statistics. 

 

Yes. the majority of "assault rapes" are often than by people from the middle east coming here. Assault rapes are the most reported rapes, BUT they are a very small number of total rapes. the majority are so called party and "friend" rapes. which largely go unreported, and when they are are very hard if not impossible to prove.

Any evidence for outright refuting the stats?

Here's the details from govt data - https://muslimstatistics.wordpress.com/2015/03/19/sweden-77-6-percent-of-all-rapes-in-the-country-committed-by-muslim-males-making-up-2-percent-of-population/

[HawkMan]

19 minutes ago, catweazel said:

Any evidence for outright refuting the stats?

Here's the details from govt data - https://muslimstatistics.wordpress.com/2015/03/19/sweden-77-6-percent-of-all-rapes-in-the-country-committed-by-muslim-males-making-up-2-percent-of-population/

Can you also get it from an actually reputable source, you're the one sprouting BS stats form the likes of SD's propaganda wing, you're the one who has to prove them. 

[catweazel]

At least I have produced 'something'.You haven'r produced anything at all!So before you start calling BS & propoganda lets have some evidence  from you a) that you claim absolutely false stats  & b) something that proves the propaganda you claim?I'm waiting?

[siah1214]

On ‎12‎/‎30‎/‎2015 at 3:27 AM, ranasrule said:

 

Bollywood Movies and Rape incidents seem to be India's main claim to fame these days...Sad

It's always suspect to me when a Pakistani posts an anti-India news article. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Pakistan

[HawkMan]

5 hours ago, catweazel said:

At least I have produced 'something'.You haven'r produced anything at all!So before you start calling BS & propoganda lets have some evidence  from you a) that you claim absolutely false stats  & b) something that proves the propaganda you claim?I'm waiting?

Why ? Why am I supposed to find proof that your made up stats aren't real ? this is not how presenting arguments and proof works. It's not my job to prove  negative. you're the one who have to prove your own silly made up stats. And I could give you  some links but you wouldn't understand them.  But if you really want to, this guy is really good at debunking stupid Scandinavia racists claims http://tjomlid.com/2015/11/10/om-no-go-soner-svenske-voldtektstall-og-oppdiktede-kilder/ among other things. he has a few articles on the subject.

[FloatingFatMan]

8 minutes ago, HawkMan said:

Why ? Why am I supposed to find proof that your made up stats aren't real ? this is not how presenting arguments and proof works. It's not my job to prove  negative. you're the one who have to prove your own silly made up stats. And I could give you  some links but you wouldn't understand them.  But if you really want to, this guy is really good at debunking stupid Scandinavia racists claims http://tjomlid.com/2015/11/10/om-no-go-soner-svenske-voldtektstall-og-oppdiktede-kilder/ among other things. he has a few articles on the subject.

Now now, he made a claim, you demanded evidence, and he provided. If you don't accept that evidence, you now have to come up with an evidenced reason why. You can't just dismiss it.

 

[catweazel]

3 minutes ago, FloatingFatMan said:

Now now, he made a claim, you demanded evidence, and he provided. If you don't accept that evidence, you now have to come up with an evidenced reason why. You can't just dismiss it.

 

Thank you - anyone with any sense would realize that but that Norwegian numpty is not bright enough to realize that & needs it pointing out.

[TMYW]

8 minutes ago, HawkMan said:

Why ? Why am I supposed to find proof that your made up stats aren't real ? this is not how presenting arguments and proof works. It's not my job to prove  negative. you're the one who have to prove your own silly made up stats. And I could give you  some links but you wouldn't understand them.  But if you really want to, this guy is really good at debunking stupid Scandinavia racists claims http://tjomlid.com/2015/11/10/om-no-go-soner-svenske-voldtektstall-og-oppdiktede-kilder/ among other things. he has a few articles on the subject.

Since you're from Norway, maybe you have some insight into what this article alleges. There's a link to some rape statistics collected by Norwegian police departments, so maybe you can fact check the claims.

[ctebah]

9 minutes ago, catweazel said:

Thank you - anyone with any sense would realize that but that Norwegian numpty is not bright enough to realize that & needs it pointing out.

2nd thread where you're calling other members names.  Why register if you're going to constantly break the rules?

[HawkMan]

18 hours ago, FloatingFatMan said:

Now now, he made a claim, you demanded evidence, and he provided. If you don't accept that evidence, you now have to come up with an evidenced reason why. You can't just dismiss it.

 

he provided a blog link. that's not evidence. 

[FloatingFatMan]

5 minutes ago, HawkMan said:

he provided a blog link. that's not evidence. 

You clearly didn't even bother to visit the page, did you? If you had, you'd have seen fully qualified source links for the data shown. So yes, the evidence for the article IS there.

 

Whether the data is being misinterpreted or not is another issue. To show that, you'd have to counter it with a bit more than a dismissal.

 

[HawkMan]

18 hours ago, TMYW said:

Since you're from Norway, maybe you have some insight into what this article alleges. There's a link to some rape statistics collected by Norwegian police departments, so maybe you can fact check the claims.

These are the kind of BS claims Tjomlid constantly debunks. I'm pretty sure he has actually covered this. but a quick skimming of their "source" shows their numbers have nothing to do with reality. in fact 61.2% are Norwegians, another 12.5% are Europeans, and 2 % are Americans. Africans are at a relatively high 10% and the middle east at a relatively high 9.2%. while high, they are as expected not even close to the claims of the bloggers. their source document also shows exactly what I said before, the vast majority of the rapes reported are not assault rapes. "friend" and party rapes are notoriously under reported.

[wakjak]

2 minutes ago, FloatingFatMan said:

You clearly didn't even bother to visit the page, did you? If you had, you'd have seen fully qualified source links for the data shown. So yes, the evidence for the article IS there.

 

Whether the data is being misinterpreted or not is another issue. To show that, you'd have to counter it with a bit more than a dismissal.

 

Did you visit the page? It's just links to another blog on wordpress with no factual evidence.

[FloatingFatMan]

2 minutes ago, wakjak said:

Did you visit the page? It's just links to another blog on wordpress with no factual evidence.

Yes. the data source links are at the bottom, in Swedish.

[HawkMan]

Just now, FloatingFatMan said:

Yes. the data source links are at the bottom.

YEah, except none of the "datasources" show anything claimed. 

[FloatingFatMan]

Just now, HawkMan said:

YEah, except none of the "datasources" show anything claimed. 

Like I said, if you disagree with his interpretation of the data, that's perfectly fine, but you need to do a little bit more than just dismiss it.  

 

Saying its garbage isn't enough.  You asked for data, you were given it.  Now it's your turn to refute.

 

[HawkMan]

6 minutes ago, FloatingFatMan said:

Like I said, if you disagree with his interpretation of the data, that's perfectly fine, but you need to do a little bit more than just dismiss it.  

 

Saying its garbage isn't enough.  You asked for data, you were given it.  Now it's your turn to refute.

 

I'm not disagreeing with the data, I'm saying the data in the sources doesn't show any of the claims made of. it's not even what they're data about. It's exactly the kind of things Tjomlid that I linked is an expert at pointing out. 

 

Do you expect me to go through data of something completely unrelated that doesn't even mention rapes and point by point point out how does and this value does not show that all muslim are violent women hating rapists ?

 

if he comes with actual data that is even remotely connected to his claims then sure I'll look at it before I point out how ridiculously made by by SD it is. Bu so far he hasn't even done that. 

[FloatingFatMan]

Well, the article author explains how be interpreted the data he used to come to his conclusions, so unless you want people to be just as dismissive as you as you are of him, you're going to have to refute him properly.  It's not enough to just claim he's wrong.

 

By demanding evidence, you left yourself open to having to refute it when presented.

 

[HawkMan]

11 minutes ago, FloatingFatMan said:

Well, the article author explains how be interpreted the data he used to come to his conclusions, so unless you want people to be just as dismissive as you as you are of him, you're going to have to refute him properly.  It's not enough to just claim he's wrong.

 

By demanding evidence, you left yourself open to having to refute it when presented.

 

 

You mean in the article the author explains how he picked data from article one, interposed it with unrelated data form article 3 in order to make up his claims ? yeah, he did that. 

 

Again, the article is BS, and the source data he used has nothing do to with the claims made. I can't pick apart made up fantasies. So again, for that I will refer o the Tjomlid article I linked. 

 

I'll refute evidence, WHEN it is PROVIDED. So far it has not. 

[catweazel]

59 minutes ago, HawkMan said:

he provided a blog link. that's not evidence. 

You provided zilch,absolute zilch & that link said govt data.You are so arrogantly sure of yourself you dismissed it rihjt from the word go with out so much as a word never mind a link.

[HawkMan]

2 hours ago, catweazel said:

You provided zilch,absolute zilch & that link said govt data.You are so arrogantly sure of yourself you dismissed it rihjt from the word go with out so much as a word never mind a link.

My zilch was more than that blog link that isn't even the slightest bit of evidence of the claims.

 

again, I don't have to prove you fantasy claims are rel, you have to prove YOUR claims are real. you do that with actual evidence, if you where able to read the sources you linked, you'd see that they have NOTHING at all to do with the claim sin the blog or the ones you made. 

 

now o read the tjomlid article I linked which is unlike your stuff not only IS evidence it also links to ACTUAL evidence and sources. 

[catweazel]

20 hours ago, HawkMan said:

My zilch was more than that blog link that isn't even the slightest bit of evidence of the claims.

 

again, I don't have to prove you fantasy claims are rel, you have to prove YOUR claims are real. you do that with actual evidence, if you where able to read the sources you linked, you'd see that they have NOTHING at all to do with the claim sin the blog or the ones you made. 

 

now o read the tjomlid article I linked which is unlike your stuff not only IS evidence it also links to ACTUAL evidence and sources. 

That link is just a bloke with a blog with spurious links one of which is non-existant & says 'page not found'.If you want an authentic summary of what's happening in Sweden,you can do worse than listen to this man who tells it exactly as it is.A man who gets lots of emails from Swedish women who no longer feel safe in their own country.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uws9BlnJmjI   

[wakjak]

5 hours ago, catweazel said:

That link is just a bloke with a blog with spurious links one of which is non-existant & says 'page not found'.If you want an authentic summary of what's happening in Sweden,you can do worse than listen to this man who tells it exactly as it is.A man who gets lots of emails from Swedish women who no longer feel safe in their own country.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uws9BlnJmjI   

We're not to trust "just a bloke" with a blog.. but we're supposed to trust "just a bloke with a youtube channel"?

Come now. This is too easy.

[HawkMan]

6 hours ago, catweazel said:

That link is just a bloke with a blog with spurious links one of which is non-existant & says 'page not found'.If you want an authentic summary of what's happening in Sweden,you can do worse than listen to this man who tells it exactly as it is.A man who gets lots of emails from Swedish women who no longer feel safe in their own country.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uws9BlnJmjI   

Actually he's a commenter and writer, who has or is, writing for a newspaper and is the author of a book. and a public speaker on the issues of fake information and a lot of stuff around this.