Quick poll on the UK's decision to leave the EU

[+Biscuits Brown MVC]

Well, my less the relevant opinion is that the U.K. was a great, stable and very capable nation before the EU. While the short term carries an enormous amount of uncertainty, I have faith that the people of the U.K. will weather this storm and emerge stronger than ever. 

 

I've never been a strong supporter of the EU (although, my opinion is that of an outsider). Personally, I've never understood of the the idea of willingly being governed by a (large) group of people that I don't get to vote for or against - especially if that group were whose original architects were Germany and France. Geezie, France is on a possible short list of nations that may also vote to leave - what does that tell the rest of the world?

 

Frankly, as an American, I feel that to not support 'Leave' would be to deny our own 'Leave' action 240 years ago.  My country did it for similar reasons and oddly enough, the decision to leave back then was nearly as narrow a margin as this vote in the UK.  

 

I wish luck to all our Neowin friends in both the UK and across Europe as they all work through this big unknown. 

 

 

[DrunknMunky Veteran]

Leave and can't wait for indyref2 Au revoir, Cameron!!!

[xrobwx71]

Some of you like Liberty and Sovereignty I see. 

[He's Dead Jim]

As a Scot who voted remain, I feel like I've just been kicked in the guts by the turkeys who voted for xmas,

Who's gonna work in the fields picking the carrots now...

[+InsaneNutter MVC]

I can't really see the UK been the UK anymore, Scotland will have another referendum and leave his time i'm quite sure. Northern Ireland will also I imagine... to be honest I wouldn't blame either if they did leave the UK.

 

It's what the small majority wanted, so we just have to make the best of whatever happens from now on.

[+Mirumir Subscriber¹]

The remain disinformation campaign was in high gears last night, shortly before the poll stations closed, when they announced a head of time the results that the remain camp was supposedly leading.

 

As for the currency exchange rates, the winner is the USD. It appreciated both against the EUR and GBP (and many other world currencies) which is quite predictable as investors try to minimize their risks and move capital to the only reserve currency in the world in times of uncertainty.

 

My prediction is that GBP will recover and both EUR and USD will be back on their downward spiral soon.

 

 

 

 

[cork1958]

I'm not a Brit either, but obviously enough of them are fed up with something to have the majority vote to leave, so I voted that I support it.

[seta-san]

it had to happen before turkey joined.

[Louisifer]

Someone needs to make some Dominoes in the shape of stars so I can simulate the EU  

[PGHammer]

2 hours ago, dragontology said:

Is my opinion worth anything here being that I'm an American and only heard about this Brexit thing a day or two ago? And I haven't really been living under a rock, either. I go on Reddit and I'm subscribed to /r/worldnews. Anyway, I think it's a bit hypocritical. I mean, first it was England, then it was Great Britain when they added Wales and I think Ireland, and now with Scotland it's the United Kingdom, and I may not have that exactly right, but the UK is sort of like its own little mini EU. If the UK can leave the EU, why couldn't Scotland leave when they wanted to? Why not just break up the UK and they go back to being England, Ireland, Scotland, and Wales? If the UK is better together, why isn't the EU?

 

Most of what I hear about the EU is that they're heavy handed in regulation. They're trying to bust up Google for including their own apps on Android. Yeah, so? Does Apple not do the same thing on the iPhone? I switched to iPhone two months ago. It didn't come with any Google apps. It didn't come with any Microsoft apps. Apple's browser, Apple's office suite, Apple's multimedia apps. And that's fine because I bought Apple's phone. And I'm okay with that because I was able to get Google's apps, and Microsoft's apps, that I wanted. So I don't know what the EU's problem is here. Google lets you put whatever you want on their phones. And Google doesn't have a monopoly, de facto or otherwise. They might have something like 80% of the smartphone market, but the iPhone isn't going anywhere. Google's lead is only because of crappy phones anyway. Among flagships it's probably closer to even. Point being, while I think some regulation is important, I think the EU was overstepping its bounds... in one case that caught my eye.

 

But based on what little I know, I'm tentatively on the "Remain" side of the fence. But I'm open to learning more about both sides. I don't really think it will affect the US as we're allies with the UK; them leaving the EU won't change that. It's like two of your friends stop talking. Or you're a football player and you're friends with the whole baseball team, and one guy quits the team. It doesn't change anything. But again, my knowledge here is limited.

Sovereignty is important - and Brussels has been VERY heavy-handed in regulation (and that's been a complaint from more than the Brits).  However, the biggest problem (for the EU) is the border-security problem within the EU; the Treaty of Maastricht did not/does not address it, and it DOES need to be addressed.

[dipsylalapo Supervisor]

Again, regardless of which way people voted, it's things like this that really tick me off

 

The problem with being a democratic society is you have these numpties coming out of the woodwork  Voting just for the sake of voting...

[Louisifer]

1 minute ago, dipsylalapo said:

The problem with being a democratic society is you have these numpties coming out of the woodwork  Voting just for the sake of voting...

.. On both sides.

Some people vote with passion

Some people vote for fashion

...and some vote in crayon

[PGHammer]

19 minutes ago, Mirumir said:

The remain disinformation campaign was in high gears last night, shortly before the poll stations closed, when they announced a head of time the results that the remain camp was supposedly leading.

 

As for the currency exchange rates, the winner is the USD. It appreciated both against the EUR and GBP (and many other world currencies) which is quite predictable as investors try to minimize their risks and move capital to the only reserve currency in the world in times of uncertainty.

 

My prediction is that GBP will recover and both EUR and USD will be back on their downward spiral soon.

 

 

 

 

Oddly enough, I would not object if the DOLLAR went down against the Euro; however, that largely won't happen (as much as you'd like it to, Mirumir) due to Europe being worse off in terms of debt (and what they are doing with it) - do you REALLY think that sovereign nations - even the EU - can vote-buy with sovereign debt continuously and get away with it?  It's what a lot of legislatures are doing, it's what the central banks (including the Fed) are doing, and it's something that the ECB is doing - and there is going to be a reckoning as long as they KEEP doing it.  Heck, the EuroBund has shifted into negative turf (in other words, savers are getting a screwing, as you invest in EU sovereign debt and you don't get your entire investment back) - who is that good for, Mirumir?

[dipsylalapo Supervisor]

Just now, Louisifer said:

.. On both sides.

Some people vote with passion

Some people vote for fashion

...and some vote in crayon

Yep yep, I have no issue people voting for either side (I voted remain) but voting because it's the cool thing to do is just damn right stupid, especially on something so important. Reasons can be as selfish as, but not just because. 

[Eric Veteran]

1 hour ago, Tomo said:

Considering that the vote is anonymous how have these figures been generated?

Exit polls.

[tsupersonic]

Not from there, but I don't support them leaving EU. 2016 is a crazy year, and the US election hasn't even happened yet 

[+Anarkii Subscriber²]

One thing I dont get about it is they say 75% of under 25's voted remain.
Isn't the votes anonymous? If so, how would anyone know if they voted stay or remain?

[Nick H. Supervisor]

25 minutes ago, dipsylalapo said:

Again, regardless of which way people voted, it's things like this that really tick me off

 

The problem with being a democratic society is you have these numpties coming out of the woodwork  Voting just for the sake of voting...

WHAT. THE. HELL. 

[+John. Subscriber¹]

Just now, Anarkii said:

One thing I dont get about it is they say 75% of under 25's voted remain.
Isn't the votes anonymous? If so, how would anyone know if they voted stay or remain?

It's done by exit polls. People are asked when they leave the polling booths. Not entirely accurate but fairly representative.

[Jim K Global Moderator]

34 minutes ago, Mirumir said:

My prediction is that GBP will recover and both EUR and USD will be back on their downward spiral soon.

Back on their downward spiral?  The USD has been on a tear in the recent years....and has been doing nothing rising since its low point in Apr '08 (the financial crisis).  So...what "back on their downward spiral".  

 

Regarding brexit, it'll be a tough couple of years but I think the UK will be fine.  I wouldn't doubt if Scotland votes soon for Independance.  Also wouldn't doubt if N. Ireland calls for one united Ireland or Independence as well.  

[+Mirumir Subscriber¹]

19 minutes ago, PGHammer said:

the EuroBund 

What is it? 

[+John. Subscriber¹]

2 minutes ago, Nick H. said:

WHAT. THE. HELL. 

I'm not surprised. I know people who voted Remain just because it's all they've known, without going into the positives and negatives for it. May as well have not voted. 

[MikeChipshop Member]

15 minutes ago, Eric said:

Exit polls.

There were no exit polls for this vote.

 

I was fully Remain. And am pretty ticked off now, especially when you look at the votes compared to other data like educational background and age. I need to get a new haircut because i like to look pretty when i get ######ed.

 

Then again i live in Scotland, so eff knows what's going to happen here now!

[Eric Veteran]

1 minute ago, MikeChipshop said:

There were no exit polls for this vote.

 

I was fully Remain. And am pretty ticked off now, especially when you look at the votes compared to other data like educational background and age. I need to get a new haircut because i like to look pretty when i get ######ed.

 

Then again i live in Scotland, so eff knows what's going to happen here now!

That's odd, then. I don't how they would have come up with the data other than aggregating opinion polls.

[MikeChipshop Member]

Just now, Eric said:

That's odd, then. I don't how they would have come up with the data other than aggregating opinion polls.

Me either to be honest. I know they can get the educational data based on the catchment area, but for everything else, no idea.