fusi0n Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 10 minutes ago, trag3dy said: So let's do nothing then, right? Just now, J. X. Maxwell said: Not all racists commit hate crimes. Not all homophobes lynch gays. Not all Nazis kill Jews. Something has to be done.. I was just pointing out that this war is a lot more complex than previous because of social media. Social Media is wonderful and has brought people closer and people are able to meet new friends they might of not met before. I'm not saying do nothing. These are sick acts of hate. I wouldn't even know where to start. However, understanding the issue at hand is not a bad place to start. That's actually a good comment.. But what do you do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fusi0n Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Emn1ty said: Perhaps you could take a page out of your own book and not assume that people calling them the enemy are broad brushing all Muslims as the enemy. I'm not calling Muslims the enemy. I'm calling people that pervert the religion are. The guy said "Allah Akbar" before shooting.. What are you suppose to think? Maybe I misread something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim K Global Moderator Posted July 22, 2016 Global Moderator Share Posted July 22, 2016 8 minutes ago, J. X. Maxwell said: Not all racists commit hate crimes. Not all homophobes lynch gays. Not all Nazis kill Jews. So, you are comparing Muslims to racists, homophobes and Nazis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinjaGinger Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 Over 1.5 billion Muslims, 25% are radical. That a big enemy army allowed to live among us. So last year, Germany allowed at least 250,00 enemy combatants in and you seem to defend as not all are bad. Thats true, but enough aint. psmoked 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 (edited) 26 minutes ago, jjkusaf said: So, you are comparing Muslims to racists, homophobes and Nazis? Amin al-Husseini was given Waffen SS units in the Balkans during WW-2, recruited Bosnian Muslims for them, and collaborated with Hitler, Himmler and Mussolini. He also advocated the "final solution" before it started. His influence is still felt today. Edited July 22, 2016 by DocM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim K Global Moderator Posted July 22, 2016 Global Moderator Share Posted July 22, 2016 4 minutes ago, DocM said: Amin al-Husseini was given Waffen SS units in the Balkans during WW-2, recruited Bosnians for them, and collaborated with Hitler, Himmler and Mussolini. He also advocated the "final solution" before it started. His influence is still felt today. Stretching much? So, today's Muslims can be compared to Nazis because of al-Husseini? +Raze 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinjaGinger Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 The only time they have been welcomed into Europe before was in Germany funnily enough, Hitler greeted the Chief Mullah and Himler thought it would be great to allow them to participate in the running of the Death Camps and create a regiment for the SS. They thought it was a great religion as they assumed Death in combat let to martyrdom and they would do the job well. Now instead of death camps to do there thing, the now do it on the street, I have read the Koran, and feel that any lifestyle ( not religion) that hold a prophet (Mohamed) as an example who was a mass murderer and paedophile as a good way to live is evil, pure and simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Gary7 Subscriber² Posted July 22, 2016 Subscriber² Share Posted July 22, 2016 1 hour ago, fusi0n said: dude, not all Muslims are bad. There is an epidemic with a group of terrorist perverting the Islam faith to spread terror and fear. They are winning and something DOES need to happen. But, you have to know your enemy before you start. The biggest problem is social media and having an open world communication. They are able to recruit people from all over to carry out these horrible attacks. There isn't just a place you can bomb and win anymore. It's sorta like the way torrents work. It's impossible to stop this. And all Germans were not Nazi's That argument is a tad old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 Just now, jjkusaf said: Stretching much? So, today's Muslims can be compared to Nazis because of al-Husseini? See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relations_between_Nazi_Germany_and_the_Arab_world Especially: "Arab incorporation and emulation of fascism" Gone 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gone Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 I think Germany needs more gun control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim K Global Moderator Posted July 23, 2016 Global Moderator Share Posted July 23, 2016 7 minutes ago, DocM said: See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relations_between_Nazi_Germany_and_the_Arab_world Especially: "Arab incorporation and emulation of fascism" So Italians can be compared...how about the French? You're really stretching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Gary7 Subscriber² Posted July 23, 2016 Subscriber² Share Posted July 23, 2016 Just now, jjkusaf said: So Italians can be compared...how about the French? You're really stretching. In WWII France fired upon the allies trying to save them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 (edited) 13 minutes ago, jjkusaf said: So Italians can be compared...how about the French? You're really stretching. Nazi Germany was fascist, as was Italy. They were allies during WW-2. France was conquored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinggus Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 (edited) 7 hours ago, techbeck said: 15 people killed 10 killed... 21 injured... 3 critically wounded... https://www.reddit.com/live/xatg2056flbi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trag3dy Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, jjkusaf said: So, you are comparing Muslims to racists, homophobes and Nazis? Well muslims do tend to be both racists and homophobes. Quite a few muslim countries have the death penalty for being gay (homophobic) and just look at what they think of the white man (great white devil, racist). Even muslim immigrants in non muslim countries tend to hold to these beliefs according to some polls. psmoked and Gone 2 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim K Global Moderator Posted July 23, 2016 Global Moderator Share Posted July 23, 2016 52 minutes ago, DocM said: Nazi Germany was fascist, as was Italy. They were allies during WW-2. France was conquored. Thanks for the history lesson for which I'm well versed in. Anyway, BBC is reporting that it was a 18-year-old German-Iranian dual citizen ... and he acted alone. 29 minutes ago, trag3dy said: Well muslims do tend to be both racists and homophobes. Quite a few muslim countries have the death penalty for being gay (homophobic) and just look at what they think of the white man (great white devil, racist). Even muslim immigrants in non muslim countries tend to hold to these beliefs according to some polls. Great, I don't think it is appropriate to compare or label a religious group as homophobes, racists or Nazis....because not all of them are. Ian W, SecretAgentMan and +Raze 3 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Gary7 Subscriber² Posted July 23, 2016 Subscriber² Share Posted July 23, 2016 16 minutes ago, jjkusaf said: Great, I don't think it is appropriate to compare or label a religious group as homophobes, racists or Nazis....because not all of them are. Show me one Islamic state that allows Gay Marriage or for that matter Homosexuality at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim K Global Moderator Posted July 23, 2016 Global Moderator Share Posted July 23, 2016 5 minutes ago, Gary7 said: Show me one Islamic state that allows Gay Marriage or for that matter Homosexuality at all. Turkey does...and various other Muslim states (you can look it up). No legalized marriages afaik...but heck...we just legalized them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Gary7 Subscriber² Posted July 23, 2016 Subscriber² Share Posted July 23, 2016 Just now, jjkusaf said: Turkey does...and various other Muslim states (you can look it up). No legalized marriages afaik...but heck...we just legalized them. Turkey was not a real Islamic state, this Dictator they now have wants to make it one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim K Global Moderator Posted July 23, 2016 Global Moderator Share Posted July 23, 2016 7 minutes ago, Gary7 said: Turkey was not a real Islamic state, this Dictator they now have wants to make it one. Turkey is over 96% Muslim and the founding member of OIC. Anyway...should be done with this as it isn't relevant to the topic. +Gary7 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Gary7 Subscriber² Posted July 23, 2016 Subscriber² Share Posted July 23, 2016 4 minutes ago, jjkusaf said: Turkey is over 96% Muslim and the founding member of OIC. Anyway...should be done with this as it isn't relevant to the topic. 80% of the posts in this thread are not relevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trag3dy Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 40 minutes ago, jjkusaf said: Thanks for the history lesson for which I'm well versed in. Anyway, BBC is reporting that it was a 18-year-old German-Iranian dual citizen ... and he acted alone. Great, I don't think it is appropriate to compare or label a religious group as homophobes, racists or Nazis....because not all of them are. This video someone posted in another thread for the islamist terror attack we saw last week that really highlights the fallacy of the "not all of them" argument. Peaceful majority? Irrelevant. Ice_Blue and FloatingFatMan 2 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim K Global Moderator Posted July 23, 2016 Global Moderator Share Posted July 23, 2016 17 minutes ago, trag3dy said: This video someone posted in another thread for the islamist terror attack we saw last week that really highlights the fallacy of the "not all of them" argument. Peaceful majority? Irrelevant. Brigitte Gabriel Yea, you should go look her up. That video had been shredded for its inaccuracies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trag3dy Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 6 minutes ago, jjkusaf said: Brigitte Gabriel Yea, you should go look her up. That video had been shredded for its inaccuracies. I'm not going to look who she is up because I don't need to nor do I care about the inaccuracies, I'm aware the numbers she cites are probably inflated and probably by quite a bit. It doesn't change the fact that the rest of the points she makes are right. The peaceful majority don't matter when the "bad" minority are so bad. The peaceful majority aren't doing anything to stop the minority. I've said it before and I think the only way things will change is if they fix it themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim K Global Moderator Posted July 23, 2016 Global Moderator Share Posted July 23, 2016 8 minutes ago, trag3dy said: I'm not going to look who she is up because I don't need to nor do I care about the inaccuracies, I'm aware the numbers she cites are probably inflated and probably by quite a bit. I see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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