Is Hillary Clinton Physically Unfit to be POTUS?

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Is Something Wrong With Hillary: Bizarre Behavior, Seizure Allegations Raise Doubts About Her Health

 

A frequently referenced video, shown below, alleging that Hillary may have seizure-like conditions emerged several weeks ago and has so far failed to lead to a conclusive explanation whether Hillary may have ongoing health problems and potential residual aftereffects from a blood clot in her brain sustained three years ago.

 

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Recall in January 2013, CNN reported that then Secretary of State Clinton was treated with blood thinners at a New York hospital to help dissolve a blood clot in her head. Back then doctors were confident she would make a full recovery. Clinton was admitted to New York Presbyterian Hospital on Sunday due to the clot that was discovered during a follow-up exam related to a concussion she suffered this month, her spokesman, Philippe Reines, said. The clot was located in the vein between the brain and and the skull behind Clinton's right ear and did not result in any stroke or neurological damage, her doctors said in a statement.

 

Going further back, in 2005 then Senator Hillary fainted during a speech in Buffalo, NY, where she received medical attention on site. “About five minutes into the speech, she said she was queasy,” said Erie County Democratic Chairman Len Lenihan, who was at the Women’s TAP fund-raiser at the private club. "Clinton left the podium and continued her talk sitting in a chair but eventually left the room, saying she needed a break, Lenihan said. She returned to the podium a short time later but fainted before resuming her speech. “It became clear she was faint. She was sort of brought down gracefully,” he said.

 

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The room was cleared, and Clinton immediately received medical attention from, among others, a doctor who attended the event.

And so, questions about Hillary's health remain, especially after photos emerged over the weekend showing Hillary demonstrating unease while climbing stairs.

 

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This has led to further speculation about the identity of a man, allegedly part of her secret service, who some has been dubbed as her "handler", a person who is supposedly her personal doctor

 

As Mike Cernovich points out, here’s a picture of Hillary’s handler before he joined Secret Service. He’s in casual attire

 

 

We saw this first “doctor” during Hillary’s recent freeze-up. As the following captures show, Hillary’s handler appears always ready to reassure Hillary, moving Secret Service Agents out of the way, urging her to "keep talking". According to Cernovich "this handler is not an ordinary SS agent."

 

 

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Further adding to the mystery, Cernovich also points out - in an unconfirmed report - that the so called "handler" appears to carry a Diazepam pen.

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The device in question is a Diazepam auto-injector pens are used for for Acute Repetitive Seizures. Diazepam is one of the medications prescribed for patients who experience recurrent seizures.

 

 

These details emerge just a day after the American Psychiatric Association has told its member not to call presidential candidates mentally ill, envisioning recent allegations involving Donald Trump.
As The Hill notes, "following a bad week for Donald Trump, in which he insulted a Gold Star family and declined to endorse Speaker Paul Ryan before doing it anyway on Friday, many have started to question whether Trump has a personality disorder."

 

 

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"We're asking ourselves -- I didn't say this, but this is what everybody is saying: Is Donald Trump a sociopath?" MSNBC host Joe Scarborough asked earlier this week.

 California Democrat Wednesday launched a change.org petition calling for Trump to undergo a mental health evaluation, suggesting he may have a narcissistic personality disorder. More than 25,000 have signed it as of Sunday.

While much of this may be in good humor, and meant to focus attention on Trump's bombastic statements, perhaps the time has come for a serious look into Hillary Clinton's own health history, especially since most polls still have her beating trump, and she may very well be America's next president.

 

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-08/something-wrong-hillary-bizarre-behavior-seizure-allegations-raise-doubts-about-her-

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22 hours ago, Javik said:

Is that why you republicans are always trying to spit on the poor by taking away their welfare and trying to deny them healthcare? (very Christian BTW)

is that why the democrats have expanded government and given free handouts? have you not heard of the saying, "give a man a fish, you feed him for a day, teach a man to fish, he can feed himself a lifetime?" Democrats are only concerned in economic slavery.. it was plantations in the south during the civil war. afterwards, fast forward to today, they are enslaving the poor by making them dependent on the government welfare, and those social services.

 

EVERY social services and system.. like Lyndon Johnsons utopian society of welfare and wealth redistribution have come from the democrats.

 

From Washington to Bush.. we accumulated 9 trillion in debt. Since Obama.. 10 trillion for the grand total of 19-20 trillion roughly. Biden even stated, "am I saying we need to spend money to keep from going bankrupt?" -yeah he said. I learned one big thing among others.. but the largest thing  I learned about Democrats is.. "they love to spend money as long as it isn't theirs" -Chrisj1968 circa 2000

 

 

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2 hours ago, FunkyMike said:

Is Something Wrong With Hillary: Bizarre Behavior, Seizure Allegations Raise Doubts About Her Health

 

A frequently referenced video, shown below, alleging that Hillary may have seizure-like conditions emerged several weeks ago and has so far failed to lead to a conclusive explanation whether Hillary may have ongoing health problems and potential residual aftereffects from a blood clot in her brain sustained three years ago.


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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-08/something-wrong-hillary-bizarre-behavior-seizure-allegations-raise-doubts-about-her-

I'm looking forward to see more of various denials / rebuttals / dismissals from Clinton's Fans. :)

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7 hours ago, chrisj1968 said:

is that why the democrats have expanded government and given free handouts? have you not heard of the saying, "give a man a fish, you feed him for a day, teach a man to fish, he can feed himself a lifetime?" Democrats are only concerned in economic slavery.. it was plantations in the south during the civil war. afterwards, fast forward to today, they are enslaving the poor by making them dependent on the government welfare, and those social services.

 

EVERY social services and system.. like Lyndon Johnsons utopian society of welfare and wealth redistribution have come from the democrats.

 

From Washington to Bush.. we accumulated 9 trillion in debt. Since Obama.. 10 trillion for the grand total of 19-20 trillion roughly. Biden even stated, "am I saying we need to spend money to keep from going bankrupt?" -yeah he said. I learned one big thing among others.. but the largest thing  I learned about Democrats is.. "they love to spend money as long as it isn't theirs" -Chrisj1968 circa 2000

Different face, same right wing nonsense. Cutting off welfare and leaving people destitute doesn't "teach them to fish", in fact it reduces social mobility. It's just a way to rationalise your own narrow selfishness, Republicans are the party of self interest, the fact that so many of them think that they're Christians just makes it all the more funny.

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4 minutes ago, Co-ords said:

her brain is fried... could be siflis she got from her loving hubby!!

That's amusingly ironic, her brain is fried... want to try spelling Syphilis again?

 

Also, again very Christian. Loving the love and tolerance right here.

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On ‎2016‎-‎08‎-‎07 at 10:47 AM, wakjak said:

How long will it take the Trumpettes to call to arms over the suicide death of Anti-Hillary researcher Victor Thorn? How many will attempt to link it to the Clinton death machine?

Considering the vast number of people who opposed the Clintons, then "committed suicide", it is pretty suspicious.

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10 hours ago, Torolol said:

I'm looking forward to see more of various denials / rebuttals / dismissals from Clinton's Fans. :)

some amusing comments I picked up on zh:

 

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I can't wait for the debates.
To see this Mandingo come out and jab the witch with his Valium cattle prod every 4 minutes is going to be exciting.

This truly has been the best election year I've ever experienced.

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They just need to keep the alien in her chest from hatching until after the election.

Then say hello to President Zorg

 

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9 hours ago, Javik said:

That's amusingly ironic, her brain is fried... want to try spelling Syphilis again?

 

Also, again very Christian. Loving the love and tolerance right here.

Loving a comment which has zero substance (ad hominem based on spelling and to quoque).

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19 hours ago, Javik said:

Different face, same right wing nonsense. Cutting off welfare and leaving people destitute doesn't "teach them to fish", in fact it reduces social mobility. It's just a way to rationalise your own narrow selfishness, Republicans are the party of self interest, the fact that so many of them think that they're Christians just makes it all the more funny.

Welfare should be given to people who have a genuine medical condition which prevents them from doing any paid work and for people actively looking for any job they can reasonably perform. People who chose not to work out of pure laziness or those who reject a job they are more than capable of doing should not be supported.
Just out of curiosity, what do you do for a living?

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On 8/9/2016 at 7:44 PM, Javik said:

That's amusingly ironic, her brain is fried... want to try spelling Syphilis again?

 

Also, again very Christian. Loving the love and tolerance right here.

 

How the ###### do people even misspell things in an era where almost every applications in which you type either auto-corrects or notifies you of misspellings?

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On 8/9/2016 at 2:18 PM, Emn1ty said:

Loving a comment which has zero substance (ad hominem based on spelling and to quoque).

I think one could say that about this thread ... in general.  Zero substance ... better suited for the Conspiracy Thread section.

 

Is it not tu quoque?

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14 minutes ago, jjkusaf said:

I think one could say that about this thread ... in general.  Zero substance ... better suited for the Conspiracy Thread section.

 

Is it not tu quoque?

It is indeed tu quoque. Though this doesn't seem like much of a conspiracy to me so much as observing behavior and drawing conclusions. Whether it's true or not based on these observations are open discussion (though I doubt anyone here is a physician of any sort and can make accurate judgements).

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On 8/8/2016 at 8:54 PM, FunkyMike said:

Is Something Wrong With Hillary: Bizarre Behavior, Seizure Allegations Raise Doubts About Her Health

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Further adding to the mystery, Cernovich also points out - in an unconfirmed report - that the so called "handler" appears to carry a Diazepam pen.

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The device in question is a Diazepam auto-injector pens are used for for Acute Repetitive Seizures. Diazepam is one of the medications prescribed for patients who experience recurrent seizures.

 

 

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Or maybe, just maybe, it was a marker for her to use to sign autographs at rallies....

 

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32 minutes ago, Raze said:

 

Or maybe, just maybe, it was a marker for her to use to sign autographs at rallies....

 

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How dare you bring a plausible, reasonable explanation into this discussion! :p

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1 hour ago, Emn1ty said:

It is indeed tu quoque. Though this doesn't seem like much of a conspiracy to me so much as observing behavior and drawing conclusions. Whether it's true or not based on these observations are open discussion (though I doubt anyone here is a physician of any sort and can make accurate judgements).

How so?  Do you honestly believe the video posted in the OP is indicative of a seizure and/or seizure like symptoms?  One could argue that when Trump mocked the disabled reporter ... he was having a seizure.  Also, regarding the video in the OP ... the guy stated he talked to psychologist and psychiatrist but did not mention who ... he referenced a study which he obviously didn't read and came up with inaccurate statements regarding said study.  Finally, do you honestly believe that some blown up/distorted picture of some guy holding an object is really a Diazepam auto injector...manufactured in the Czech Republic?  Also this auto injector is used in conjunction with Atropine and Pralidoxime (i.e. in the US the Mark 1 kit...though we do not use this particular Czech Republic autoinjector) ... which helps treat soldiers who have been hit with a nerve agent.

 

Observations ... well people can make "observations" regarding 9/11, the moon landings, etc....that doesn't mean that conspiracy theories aren't born from those "observations".

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How so?  Do you honestly believe the video posted in the OP is indicative of a seizure and/or seizure like symptoms?  One could argue that when Trump mocked the disabled reporter ... he was having a seizure.  Also, regarding the video in the OP ... the guy stated he talked to psychologist and psychiatrist but did not mention who ... he referenced a study which he obviously didn't read and came up with inaccurate statements regarding said study.  Finally, do you honestly believe that some blown up/distorted picture of some guy holding an object is really a Diazepam auto injector...manufactured in the Czech Republic?  Also this auto injector is used in conjunction with Atropine and Pralidoxime (i.e. in the US the Mark 1 kit...though we do not use this particular Czech Republic autoinjector) ... which helps treat soldiers who have been hit with a nerve agent.

 

Observations ... well people can make "observations" regarding 9/11, the moon landings, etc....that doesn't mean that conspiracy theories aren't born from those "observations".

There are conspiracy level analyzations being done here, but to say any of the behavior she was exhibiting in some of those shots was "normal" is a stretch just as much as it is to claim she's having a seizure. It could simply be that she's weird, it could just be she's getting senile. But it's not a conspiracy to notice the behavior is odd and could be indicative of something.

The difference between here, and 9/11, is that people rationalize evidence... and ignore evidence to the contrary because "that's what they want you to believe". I don't see that happening here. In fact, this isn't much different to some of the footage we see of Hitler when he was suffering from multiple mental disorders and other problems.

What conclusions are drawn are subject to being proven, but the fact remains - the behavior is odd. That doesn't mean this shouldn't be taken with a hefty side of salt. The Trump example has the added benefit of context - it was an impression. Exaggerated movements and even behavior is common when doing an impression.

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20 minutes ago, Emn1ty said:

There are conspiracy level analyzations being done here, but to say any of the behavior she was exhibiting in some of those shots was "normal" is a stretch just as much as it is to claim she's having a seizure. It could simply be that she's weird, it could just be she's getting senile. But it's not a conspiracy to notice the behavior is odd and could be indicative of something.

The difference between here, and 9/11, is that people rationalize evidence... and ignore evidence to the contrary because "that's what they want you to believe". I don't see that happening here. In fact, this isn't much different to some of the footage we see of Hitler when he was suffering from multiple mental disorders and other problems.

What conclusions are drawn are subject to being proven, but the fact remains - the behavior is odd. That doesn't mean this shouldn't be taken with a hefty side of salt. The Trump example has the added benefit of context - it was an impression. Exaggerated movements and even behavior is common when doing an impression.

No...it is conspiracy'ish when, in the first video, people are saying "she is having a seizure".  That was not a seizure ... hell a med tech could tell you that ... that was just being goofy.  You (not "you"...just talking about people who are buying into this) then compound that false assumption by going down her past medical history ... as to somehow justify your false interpretation of her behaviour.  Her being goofy + past hx of blood clot = seizure.  /sigh  People aren't "rationalizing evidence" when that conclude that her bizarre behavior is the same as a seizure.  Maybe folks need to look up or do more research on seizures?  Also, when people look at some distorted/blown up image of some black object and automatically assume it is a Diazepam auto injector from Czech Republic ... that isn't rationalizing the "evidence"...that is just making stuff up. 

 

So, what do you have.  False assumptions hinting that Hillary and company are covering up some underlying medical condition.  Bringing forth "evidence" that doesn't hold water...to include a seizure which wasn't and some dark object in the hands of some man (whom they claim is both a doctor and a Secret Service agent) .... etc.

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No...it is conspiracy'ish when, in the first video, people are saying "she is having a seizure".  That was not a seizure ... hell a med tech could tell you that ... that was just being goofy.  You then compound that false assumption by going down her past medical history ... as to somehow justify your false interpretation of her behaviour.  Her being goofy + past hx of blood clot = seizure.  /sigh  People aren't "rationalizing evidence" when that conclude that her bizarre behavior is the same as a seizure.  Maybe folks need to look up or do more research on seizures?  Also, when people look at some distorted/blown up image of some black object and automatically assume it is a Diazepam auto injector from Czech Republic ... that isn't rationalizing the "evidence".  

 

So, what do you have.  False assumptions hinting that Hillary and company are covering up some underlying medical condition.  Bringing forth "evidence" that doesn't hold water...to include a seizure which wasn't and some dark object in the hands of some man (whom they claim is both a doctor and a Secret Service agent) .... etc.

What I will say is what I said in the first line of my post - "There are conspiracy level analyzations being done here". I'm not denying the video is taking things to the extreme, but the discussion itself need not be conspiracy in nature.

Regardless, I find this discussion pointless in the first place. Though I'm sure if similar accusations were laid at the feet of Trump many here would say it's not conspiracy, or jump on the bandwagon at minimum.

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8 minutes ago, Emn1ty said:

Though I'm sure if similar accusations were laid at the feet of Trump many here would say it's not conspiracy, or jump on the bandwagon at minimum.

Possibly ... not necessarily from me.  I think his behavior in general is "odd" and probably indicative of some underlying medical condition which was brought up during the Republican debates (you know...the whole "small hands" debacle).  Anyway, he just exhibits his odd behaviour so frequently people have become blinded by it...when Clinton does something odd ... she's having a seizure.:) 

 

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Fact: she has suffered from hypothyroidism and uses a treatment which is no longer the standard of care; natural desiccated thyroid (NDT) - dried pig thyroid glands. 

 

Fact: she has suffered a deep vein thrombosis (DVT: leg vein blood clot) twice;  in 1998 and again in 2009. 

 

Fact: in 2012 she suffered a cerebral venous thrombosis, a clot in a large vein around her brain, identified after she took a fall. She also suffered a concussion. 

 

These have all been widely reported.

 

DVTs can lead to a pulmonary embolism, which can cause sudden death, and they tend to recur (obviously.)

 

She takes Warfarin (a blood thinner) in an attempt to prevent future clots, but this comes with an increased risk of hemorrhage and other side effects.

 

Her risk of a major incident is definitely non-trivial. 

 

During speeches and town halls she's also appeared to 'brain lock ' - she stopped speaking & seemed searching for words. This can be an early sign of dementia.  

 

These aren't just being reported by the conservative press.

 

 

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On ‎8‎/‎9‎/‎2016 at 3:02 AM, Gary7 said:

Maybe she will plead insanity..

 

'RECKLESS HANDLING': Parents of two Benghazi victims sue Clinton

She doesn't need to plead anything they have no case. Benghazi is a bust.

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On 8/12/2016 at 1:01 AM, DocM said:

Fact: she has suffered from hypothyroidism and uses a treatment which is no longer the standard of care; natural desiccated thyroid (NDT) - dried pig thyroid glands. 

 

Fact: she has suffered a deep vein thrombosis (DVT: leg vein blood clot) twice;  in 1998 and again in 2009. 

 

Fact: in 2012 she suffered a cerebral venous thrombosis, a clot in a large vein around her brain, identified after she took a fall. She also suffered a concussion. 

 

These have all been widely reported.

 

DVTs can lead to a pulmonary embolism, which can cause sudden death, and they tend to recur (obviously.)

 

She takes Warfarin (a blood thinner) in an attempt to prevent future clots, but this comes with an increased risk of hemorrhage and other side effects.

 

Her risk of a major incident is definitely non-trivial. 

 

During speeches and town halls she's also appeared to 'brain lock ' - she stopped speaking & seemed searching for words. This can be an early sign of dementia.  

 

These aren't just being reported by the conservative press.

 

 

I also heard that she transforms into a creature on full moons

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On 8/10/2016 at 9:05 PM, Raze said:

Diazepam is one of the medications prescribed for patients who experience recurrent seizures.

 

Diazepam is the generic name for Valium.

On 8/12/2016 at 5:30 AM, TPreston said:

She doesn't need to plead anything they have no case. Benghazi is a bust.

I wait for a Judge to decide thank you very much.

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Processor E-cores L3-cache Turbo clock GPU GPU-clock TDP Intel N355 8 6 MB 3.9 GHz 32 EUs 1.35 GHz 9 W Intel Core 3 N350 3.9 GHz 1.35 GHz 7 W Intel Core i3-N305 3.8 GHz 1.25 GHz 9 W Intel Core i3-N300 3.8 GHz 1.25 GHz Intel N250 4 3.8 GHz 1.25 GHz 6 W Intel Processor N200 3.7 GHz 0.75 GHz Intel N150 3.6 GHz 24 EUs 1 GHz Intel N97 1.2 GHz 12 W Intel Processor N100 3.4 GHz 0.75 GHz 6 W The CPU is part of the Alder Lake-N series that sits just below the top N355 offering, albeit with an impressive TDP (less than the N355 and N305) for the features it offers. It is designed for low- powered systems and entry-level laptops. As before, we are seeing another NAS with an acceptable, if not great, amount of RAM. It should be noted that the F4-425 Pro only has one SODIMM slot, so if you are planning to upgrade the already 16GB included in this NAS, it will have to be on one module of Single Rank DDR5. As a reminder, up until a couple of years ago, it was commonplace to only get 2 or 4GB max on a flagship Synology or QNAP home NAS. Ever since the likes of TerraMaster and more have entered the market with ample RAM sizes included in their NAS offerings, it has gone a long way in forcing the hands of the traditional makers to up their game a bit. Before we dive in, you can view the different SKUs released so far since the 2025 series launched for Home and SMB users, with the most important specifications listed along with the MSRP listed below: SKU CPU Cores Memory Link Price F2-425 Intel N5095 4 4 GB DDR4 2.5 GbE x1 $249.99 F4-425 Intel N5095 4 4 GB DDR4 2.5 GbE x1 $369.99 F2-425 Plus Intel Core N150 4 8 GB DDR5 5 GbE x 2 $399.99 F4-425 Plus Intel Core N150 4 16 GB DDR5 5 GbE x 2 $569.99 F4-425 Pro Intel Core N305 8 8 GB DDR5 5 GbE x 2 $699.99 F4-425 Pro Intel Core N350 8 16 GB DDR5 5 GbE x 2 $799.99 The F2 in the product name means two 3.5-inch HDD bays, where F4 is four 2.5-inch bays. First impressions Like with the F8 SSD Plus packaging, the F4-425 Pro is using the upgraded box materials, which certainly look better than a plain cream colored box with TERRAMASTER stamped on the sides. The box gives off a premium feel and certainly adds a positive vibe to first impressions. In the box F4-425 Pro TNAS device Power adapter LAN cable (CAT 6) Quick guide [full online guide] Limited warranty notice Screws (for HDD bays) Stickers 2x rubber feet (spares) Design As has become kind of common with TerraMaster, certainly in the last three years, the 2025 F2- and F4-series have received a makeover that really adds to the premium feel of the NAS. Gone are the plastic shells, now replaced with an aluminum outer shell, with the front and back retaining the textured black plastic we saw on the 2024 models. Some key differences from the 2024 series include placing the power button back on the front, along with the addition of a Type A USB port. It's not much bigger or heavier either; in fact, it weighs 500 grams less than the F4-424 Pro. It's slightly shorter in height and depth (length), but only by a few millimeters. The front and back do retain a similar style to the 2024 series. On the front, you just have your four bays along with LED indicators for the HDDs and power. The welcomed change is having a USB port on the front for quick access, should you need to back up a USB drive, for example. Around the back, from top to bottom, you have a reset pin hole, an HDMI port, two 5 GbE Ethernet ports, two USB 3.2 Gen 2 (10 Gbps) Type A ports with a Type-C port below them, and a connector for the barrel port power source. Again, there's no Kensington Security Slot present, which is a bit of a shame considering it's a data storage device. Left side Right side On the left and right of the F4-425 Plus, it is completely smooth aluminum with a TERRAMASTER logo printed on both sides. On the bottom, there are some holes to assist ventilation. Unlike with the F4-425 Plus, the rubber feet did come unstuck during the teardown, which was also an issue on the 2023 series. It seems like other customers have lodged complaints about them, as TerraMaster now includes two spare rubber feet in the box, in case any of the preinstalled ones are lost; however, this seems more like a papering over the cracks solution rather than actually fixing the issue with better quality rubber stand-offs. There are also four screws that must be removed in order to access the internals. Teardown Upon removing the four screws, you can slide the device out of its shell to reveal the three NVMe M.2 slots (PCIe 3.0 X1) and single SODIMM slot connector, which is populated with a single 16GB DDR5 4800MT/s module. I added a couple of MP44Q M.2 PCIe 4.0 SSDs (2 x 4TB) that can be availed on Amazon for $492.99 that TEAMGROUP supplied us with, along with a 250GB 970 Evo Plus that my colleague Chris White sent me by accident and let me keep a few years ago. As I have said in previous reviews, TerraMaster support staff actually encourage installing whatever you want on their devices, and happily, the USB port for the bootloader is now easily accessible should you want to use it for your own flavor of NAS OS, such as TrueNAS, Unraid, or maybe Xpenology. Yes, because TerraMaster has now switched to a 256 GB NAND Flash card (3rd photo above) for the TOS bootloader. This is also replaceable, but you can also simply add a USB bootloader, access the BIOS, and tell the F4-425 Pro to boot from that instead of the Flash card. Unlike earlier iterations of TerraMaster NAS, you don't have to tear this down any further than the four screws on the outer shell in order to be able to access and manage the memory, NVMe slots, and USB bootloader. However, if you need to access the NAND Flash card or CMOS battery, then eight more screws (four on each side) need to be removed in order to take off the rear panel with the 120mm fan, and then the motherboard can be lifted off and removed from the SATA connector PCB. There's also no risk of threading the screw holes, because the four that hold the shell in place are metal on metal, while the screws that hold the rear panel on do screw into plastic. Either way, like last time when I reviewed the F4-425 plus, I was just happier to see larger screws being used. Overall, it follows some great improvements in build quality from the 2024 series and earlier. Setup BIOS The F4-425 Pro includes an Aptio BIOS from American Megatrends [1, 2], and you can setup pretty much everything here including the boot order, which is locked to the UEFI OS, however above that choice you can enable or disable booting to the USB bootloader so this would still allow you to switch to a USB stick with an alternative bootloader and boot from it, or disable it to instead always start from the first disk with an OS installed on it. Initial Setup Setup is roughly the same as the F4-425 Plus, along with the new TOS 7 setup dialogs, so there will be no surprises here. Upon connecting to the LAN and booting up, the F4-425 Pro can be reached by navigating to http://tnas.local. If that doesn't work, you can use the local address assigned via DHCP, which you can find using the TNAS PC desktop application, which is essentially a TerraMaster NAS finder. The setup process is pretty straightforward, through a wizard, and in full below: TOS 7 Initialization As you can see, TOS 7 received a new coat of paint, and the initialization requires fewer interactions. Happily, TOS no longer decides to throw all disks into the same Storage Pool; 2.5-inch HDDs are allocated into Storage Pool 1. This is because two of the HDDs are allocated to hold system files. Previously (with TOS 5 and 6), if you pre-installed HDDs and SSDs, they were all placed into Storage Pool 1, even if you did not select the SSDs for inclusion during the onboarding. TOS 7 Setup On first boot, there is a tutorial and some steps to take to harden the TNAS (or not), which includes an immediate update from TOS 7.0.0616 to 7.0.0706, of which the changelog screenshot is also included in the above gallery. It must be noted that the Security Advisor still contains (in my opinion) a pretty major bug in that if you enable SPC and then do the required rebooting, the Security Advisor still says that SPC is disabled. TerraMaster provided the following statement about it: It is disappointing that TOS 7 has been in beta since December, and this OOBE issue is still there. Shutdown option has moved Instead of a Taskbar option to manage the NAS, all of these options have been moved to a "Start panel", initially I didn't see it and my contact had to show me how to power off the F4-425 Pro. To logout, reboot or power off you can find those controls at the top right of the Panel. It is also possible to power off through the TNAS mobile app beta. Storage setup Above, you can see the steps I took to create the Storage Pools and Volumes. I made a second Storage Pool using TRAID on two 4TB MP44Q SSDs (which, in this instance, is similar to RAID 5), and finally, I added the 250GB 970 Evo Plus drive as Hyper Cache on Storage Pool 1 in Balanced mode. Registering If you decide not to lock down the F4-425 Pro in Security Isolation Mode (blocking all external connections), then you could set up a TNAS device ID through the Remote Access setting in the Control Panel (which must be unique). This works in combination with an online TerraMaster account. TOS 7 TNAS Online Creating a TerraMaster account and linking the device online activates the warranty when you provide proof of purchase and the serial number, but it also gives you access through the TNAS mobile app, which allows you to complete certain operationsб including powering off and restarting the NAS remotely. A TNAS mobile update is required to gain access through TOS 7, and this is provided on the TerraMaster website, as it is not yet on Google Play. The app is evolving all the time and has made leaps and bounds since I first started reviewing TerraMaster devices almost three years ago. It is not quite there yet if you are comparing the likes of Synology, which, sadly, a lot of users online do all the time. OpenClaw setup One of the main selling points of the new F4-425 Pro is the inclusion of OpenClaw, with TerraMaster claiming that it is "powered by the world's first AI-native TOS 7 OS, supporting local-first smart workflows and independent data control." However, I immediately ran into problems trying to enable OpenClaw. After waiting 20 minutes at the "Enabling" message of the OpenClaw app following installation, I decided to do some searching online and discovered that it couldn't complete the installation process due to SPC being enabled, which is something TOS 7 immediately recommends to be enabled on first boot. SPC for NAS (TOS 7) is basically the same principle as UAC in Windows; it blocks executables from being launched by non-Super Users. After reaching out to my contact about these issues, I received the following response: Anyway, this only became clear when I closed the OpenClaw app screen and clicked on the OpenClaw icon in the taskbar; that is when I saw the message about disabling SPC. I think, due to the fact that this is a requirement, this should be a prompt during the installation process, not when closing the App Market and then trying to launch OpenClaw. There's also no 'Getting started' guide for people like me who have never used OpenClaw. I tried to add an LLM and discovered the tutorial led nowhere. That's when I started looking around the official TerraMaster forums, and I found a guide that helpfully explains that you won't get anywhere with OpenClaw unless you have a paid plan, which is disappointing because I imagined there would be an option to use a local LLM as I do in SubtitleEdit with Whisper-XXL. In addition, with the marketing imagery on the official site, it says that the OpenClaw feature is "all processed 100% locally for absolute privacy." which led me to believe that I could install a local LLM, not one that required paid tokens. In any case, TerraMaster does not provide guidance for this new feature, which was also a selling point of the F4-425 Pro! My contact also provided clarification about the above points I raised with TerraMaster Since it is not in the scope of the review to add paid services, I'll leave that to the people who are more qualified with OpenClaw. F4-425 Pro Surveillance App TOS also comes with a Surveillance app, which is not installed by default; it can be found in the App Market recommended section. In addition, after installing, it doesn't drop a shortcut on the Desktop or top taskbar, but you can "Send to Desktop" from the App Market listing for the app for a quick way to open it. Adding my Reolink POE doorbell camera was painless. TerraMaster doesn't appear to have a repository of preconfigured cameras; instead, the camera must be added using ONVIF or RTSP. No mobile Surveillance app TerraMaster still doesn't have a dedicated Surveillance app, although from searching online, Surveillance can be used and managed through the TNAS mobile app. I tried this with the updated TNAS mobile app beta in combination with TOS 7 and got a message that Surveillance was "Only accessible through web browser," so I reckon this must be limited to the stable versions of TOS 6 and the mobile app. More quirks In addition, whenever I minimized the Live View window in the browser Surveillance app, the feed appeared to switch to the Low-bandwidth stream, and there was no way to get the High-quality stream back. To get the High-quality stream back, I had to close Live View and then reopen it. Benchmarking A pretty cool feature of the TOS 7 is that it allows you to install directly to the NVMe M.2 SSD. In order to do that, you would have to leave out any HDDs during initialization, and even then, the system partitions are always written to two HDDs when they are eventually added. With three NVMe slots, this also gives an interesting scenario where you could build a TRAID storage Pool for installing all your apps and Docker on, and keep the third for SSD cache on the HDD pool. Limitless options! SATA PCIe 3.0 X1 A CrystalDiskMark test on a mapped network drive from within a Windows 11 25H2 PC (image above) connected over a 5 GbE hub was well within acceptable ranges. Although the read result on SATA was a little less than with the F4-425 Plus, for some reason, while writes were generally better. SATA PCIe 3.0 X1 I also ran the NAS Performance tester, which tests the link speed performance. As you can see, it pretty much maxes out the 5GbE connection. Of course, you can also opt to bond the two 5 GbE connections for a bit more umph, but I didn't do that. TOS 7, which, as of testing, is still in Beta, comes with an App Center that has a bunch of handy programs you can install right off the bat, such as Emby, Plex, Docker, as well as in-house Backup and Surveillance solutions. As you can imagine, any media streaming services you would want to host off the F4-425 Pro will work great, thanks to the Intel Core N350 CPU and its 16 GB of DDR5 memory. Accessing from mobile is only possible if Security Isolation Mode is disabled, which can put your NAS at risk from external sources, so there was no way to access it from the TNAS Mobile app. It's also quiet. I had this sat next to my computer on my work desk for the past week, and I did wonder if the noise I was accustomed to with NAS devices would annoy me, but all I could hear was a soft whirring of the rear fan (which was a little annoying) when the disks were not actively copying or reading data. Conclusion So what have I learned? Unfortunately, this release raises a few important questions and concerns that I feel haven't been adequately addressed. What I didn't like Our variant shipped with TOS 7 beta, and it's advised not to use it in a production environment. I feel that's a bit limiting on an $800 device. The mobile app is also still in beta and does not support some of the first-party apps, like Surveillance, and it still has quite a few bugs. I am a bit confused about the OpenClaw marketing along with the F4-425 Pro. I feel like that if it's going to be a main selling point, then offer official guidance on how to get started with it. TerraMaster recommends enabling SPC, but then markets the NAS for use with OpenClaw, which requires disabling SPC to be able to use it, opening up genuine security concerns for the NAS; and that's before you get into the security concerns of OpenClaw itself. Of course, the above issues won't be a problem if you decide to install something else on it, or even go back to the stable TOS 6. I wish TerraMaster had just given TOS 7 as opt-in rather than shipping with it. TOS 7 has been available as a preview since December 2025 (so well before my last TerraMaster review), and according to a thread on Reddit where a user shared a screenshot from the TerraMaster Facebook page, it is scheduled to launch today, June 23, but there's nothing about that in the TerraMaster news blog. My contact confirmed over email that TOS 7 exits beta today. The rubber feet also deserve a mention as they continue to be a problem, with them coming unstuck the moment you shift the F4-425 Pro anywhere on your desk. What I liked What it comes down to, though, aside from what I already mentioned, you are still getting a quality, affordable device here, so recommending it will depend on the individual's use case. If you're just looking for a relatively small NAS device to manage virtual machines on, backup your files, and take care of your home theater streaming, then it is a great device that will certainly futureproof you for some time. It provides good performance, takes up little space, and is, on the whole, very quiet. Four bays afford proper redundancy using TRAID or RAID 5, and you can even expand on storage capacity by adding the 2-bay D5, or 4-bay D8 Hybrid DAS over a USB 3.2 (10Gbps) link. Considering the 2024 releases were more about power, with the likes of an Intel Core i5-1235U high-end laptop CPU under the hood, I asked my contact last time if we could expect more of the same in higher-end models and was told: It makes a lot of sense to use Intel's N350 chip inside a NAS; it is more than capable of doing what the F4-425 Pro is intended for, media streaming and backup. The only downside is still the clear lack of community and even staff support on the official forums. In the past, I have had topics go unanswered for days, or there would be generic-type "we've noted this and passed it onto our developer team" type responses. Along with the other things I mentioned, it all ends up costing it a couple of points. If you are comfortable with the command line, Docker, and setting up TrueNAS or Unraid, you'll be fine. You can do great things with this hardware. In TOS, the apps are a bit lacking, and things don't always work as expected.\ AI NAS?! What has become clear to me this year is that we are going to start seeing all kinds of "AI NAS" come to market, and while that might be good for us consumers, be diligent and research these claims. Although the F4-425 Pro technically comes with AI, it is really using a cloud service that is externally sourced off-device through the third party OpenClaw app. My colleague did review a newcomer to the NAS space earlier this year, and it includes a local AI assistant inside the Zettlab D4 NAS, and they do not even use AI in the product name, check out Chris' review here. Where to buy and a discount coupon However, it does not change the fact that this is truly a great entry-level home media-class NAS that you can buy right now. TerraMaster is having a 20% off launch discount, plus you can also still apply our unique 10% off coupon on checkout, which only works on the official website. So here is a breakdown of the pricing that is only valid on the official TerraMaster website. TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N350) + 20% discount + 10% coupon = $575.99 TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N305) + 20% discount + 10% coupon = $503.99 TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N350) + 20% discount + 10% coupon = £525.59 TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N305) + 20% discount + 10% coupon = £460.79 Use NEOWIN coupon code during checkout for 10% discount Over on Amazon US and UK, the F4-425 Pro also gets a 20% launch discount, but here, the above 10% coupon cannot be applied. TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N350) for $639.99 at Amazon US (was $799.99) TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N305) for $559.99 at Amazon US (was $699.99) TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N350) for £583.99 at Amazon UK (was £729.99) TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N305) for £511.99 at Amazon UK (was £639.99) As an Amazon Associate, when you purchase through links on our site, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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