Is Hillary Clinton Physically Unfit to be POTUS?

[Hum]

Yes. She has some Ronald Regan going on.

[Jim K Global Moderator]

On 8/12/2016 at 0:01 AM, DocM said:

During speeches and town halls she's also appeared to 'brain lock ' - she stopped speaking & seemed searching for words. This can be an early sign of dementia.  

 

These aren't just being reported by the conservative press.

You know what else "searching for words" could be?  Age.  She is 68 ... doesn't mean she is suffering (or in the early stage) dementia.  Maybe Donald Trump should start "searching" for words...if you know what I mean.

 

Regarding the other points you made ... you know what that means right?  She has hypothyroidism and is on a long term anti coagulate...not exactly uncommon for someone of her age.  It does not mean she will not last for the next 4 or 8 years or that we should be "alarmed".  Anyway, I'm least concerned with her health than the sarcastic Don (literally) spilling his hateful/aggressive rhetoric all over the oval office.

 

Though, to be honest, I kinda wish the two VP candidates were running for President (out of the four).

[McoreD]

 

Video above shows her 'emotional illiteracy' and those crazy eyes way before her accident. It seems it's just her personality and not due to side-effects.

[+Gary7 Subscriber²]

7 minutes ago, jjkusaf said:

 She is 68 ... doesn't mean she is suffering (or in the early stage) dementia.  Maybe Donald Trump should start "searching" for words...if you know what I mean.

 

Trump is not that much younger than she it. So she may take Valium big deal. But if it is injected it is rather strong.

[Jim K Global Moderator]

1 minute ago, Gary7 said:

Trump is not that much younger than she it. So she may take Valium big deal.

Trump is actually a few years older.  Does it matter?  Nope.  Does it matter if he also doesn't have hypothyroidism or take anti coagulants?  Nope.  Talk about missing the point.  

 

Also...you're back on that whole fuzzy/blown up image of the diazepam auto-injector?  Sorry....but this isn't the conspiracy section.  Find concrete evidence before stating it as fact.

[PGHammer]

On 8/12/2016 at 1:01 AM, DocM said:

Fact: she has suffered from hypothyroidism and uses a treatment which is no longer the standard of care; natural desiccated thyroid (NDT) - dried pig thyroid glands. 

 

Fact: she has suffered a deep vein thrombosis (DVT: leg vein blood clot) twice;  in 1998 and again in 2009. 

 

Fact: in 2012 she suffered a cerebral venous thrombosis, a clot in a large vein around her brain, identified after she took a fall. She also suffered a concussion. 

 

These have all been widely reported.

 

DVTs can lead to a pulmonary embolism, which can cause sudden death, and they tend to recur (obviously.)

 

She takes Warfarin (a blood thinner) in an attempt to prevent future clots, but this comes with an increased risk of hemorrhage and other side effects.

 

Her risk of a major incident is definitely non-trivial. 

 

During speeches and town halls she's also appeared to 'brain lock ' - she stopped speaking & seemed searching for words. This can be an early sign of dementia.  

 

These aren't just being reported by the conservative press.

 

 

And brain lock can also be a symptom of reaction to certain medicines - including both diazepam (brand name: Valium) and chlorpromazine (brand name: Thorazine: original source - SmithKlineBeecham, now GlaxoSmithKline).  Chlorpromazine is an OLD standard for treatment of both scizophrenia and clinical depression in teenagers; however, it lost favor because of too many cases of "brainlock" in the treatment populace - especially with regards to chlorpromazine overdoses.  Now put together "brainlock" and high-school-age teenagers (or college-age students - late teens and early twenties) - what about that combination would NOT be bad?

[Jim K Global Moderator]

5 minutes ago, PGHammer said:

And brain lock can also be a symptom of reaction to certain medicines - including both diazepam (brand name: Valium) and chlorpromazine (brand name: Thorazine: original source - SmithKlineBeecham, now GlaxoSmithKline).  Chlorpromazine is an OLD standard for treatment of both scizophrenia and clinical depression in teenagers; however, it lost favor because of too many cases of "brainlock" in the treatment populace - especially with regards to chlorpromazine overdoses.  Now put together "brainlock" and high-school-age teenagers (or college-age students - late teens and early twenties) - what about that combination would NOT be bad?

Still waiting for some evidence that any of that applies to her.  Oh...right...the media is covering up for her.  Trump has been off of his ritalin during the campaign.

[+Gary7 Subscriber²]

52 minutes ago, jjkusaf said:

Trump is actually a few years older.  Does it matter?  Nope.  Does it matter if he also doesn't have hypothyroidism or take anti coagulants?  Nope.  Talk about missing the point.  

 

Also...you're back on that whole fuzzy/blown up image of the diazepam auto-injector?  Sorry....but this isn't the conspiracy section.  Find concrete evidence before stating it as fact.

It was in this thread all I stated was that Diazepam is the generic name for Valium. This you should know. I did not post that she used it I was only clarifying what it is. You missed the boat/

[Jim K Global Moderator]

5 minutes ago, Gary7 said:

It was in this thread all I stated was that Diazepam is the generic name for Valium. This you should know. I did not post that she used it I was only clarifying what it is. You missed the boat/

I was responding directly to this ...

 

1 hour ago, Gary7 said:

Trump is not that much younger than she it. So she may take Valium big deal.

 

...obviously, kind of like Trump, hard to tell if you were being sarcastic or not.  Though I see your edited post now, talking about the injectable diazepam...once again .... that is just from some blurry photo.  I HIGHLY doubt they are walking around with an autoinjector...lol.  The Trumper Thumpers are just coming up with anything now.

[+Gary7 Subscriber²]

21 minutes ago, jjkusaf said:

I was responding directly to this ...

 

 

...obviously, kind of like Trump, hard to tell if you were being sarcastic or not.  Though I see your edited post now, talking about the injectable diazepam...once again .... that is just from some blurry photo.  I HIGHLY doubt they are walking around with an autoinjector...lol.  The Trumper Thumpers are just coming up with anything now.

I never said that they did.  There was a text message under the blurred image. I posted earlier than the post you quoted. Try to keep upsee the post below. I edited nothing.

 

https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1304846-is-hillary-clinton-physically-unfit-to-be-potus/?do=findComment&comment=597540818

 

[Dot Matrix]

On 8/5/2016 at 11:55 AM, Gary7 said:

If Your PM acted like this would you be concerned?

Fringe YouTube videos aren't proof of anything. If you want to make your case you need to present hard evidence. 

[Morisato]

 

They're both crazy in their own way. One lies/commits crimes around the world while the other exaggerates/commits fraudulent schemes. It's a wonder how it ended up with two of the worst candidates with the lowest approval ratings for both. Then you get sites nitpicking specific words to make them look bad or ones that are extremely bias towards one side and not the other.

 

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FiveThirtyEight

 

This meta-poll (highly accurate) already shows Hillary will win though there is still a small chance Trump can still win. Whatever the outcome, the upcoming debates in the next few months will be epic for sure. Right now we're only hearing Trump in the news and Hillary has gone into hiding along with her email hacks released by Wikileaks.

 

 

 

Don't forget to check out Seth Rich DNC Murder Scandal where he was killed from behind and nothing was stolen from him.

[Ian W]

5 hours ago, ViperAFK said:

I also heard that she transforms into a creature on full moons

Please do not say that about her! One could instead say that she secretly flies on a broom at night.

[TPreston]

9 hours ago, Gary7 said:

Diazepam is the generic name for Valium.

I wait for a Judge to decide thank you very much.

Or you could look at the countless investigations that failed to prove any wrongdoing. At this stage I think Benghazi is comparable to 9/11 truth

[+Gary7 Subscriber²]

3 hours ago, TPreston said:

Or you could look at the countless investigations that failed to prove any wrongdoing. At this stage I think Benghazi is comparable to 9/11 truth

The only thing that I did posted yesterday was to clarify that Diazapam is the generic term for Valium. Nothing else . What we have here are two candidate and neither one of them is fit for any public office.

[Torolol]

On Monday, August 08, 2016 at 3:01 AM, ViperAFK said:

This is complete and utter nonsense with no evidence and no basis and reality.

 

The made up conspiracies people peddle in these forums never ceases to amaze me

but oh, there is new revelation that will continue amaze thee. see my comments below:

 

On Tuesday, August 09, 2016 at 6:12 PM, troysavary said:

Considering the vast number of people who opposed the Clintons, then "committed suicide", it is pretty suspicious.

speaking of body count, there was alleged leaked Hilary's health documents on twitter, which conveniently disappear afterward, luckyly there other who still retweet that stuff.

http://allnewspipeline.com/Hillary_Clinton_Medical_Records_Released.php according to leaked documents Hillary did complain having a mini-seizures.

 

Since its count as people who opposed Clintons, you guess it, Clinton's bodycounts has coincidentally increased again (accident style this time):

Like hell any conspiracy theorist will pass that up, especially since the dead one is the father of the one who allegedly leaked the medical documents.

http://yournewswire.com/man-who-leaked-clintons-medical-records-found-dead/

 

On Thursday, August 11, 2016 at 8:40 AM, jjkusaf said:

I think one could say that about this thread ... in general.  Zero substance ... better suited for the Conspiracy Thread section.

Yeah, the development doesn't warrant this discussion in Domestic Politics anymore

Edited August 17, 2016 by Torolol

[TPreston]

1 hour ago, Torolol said:

but oh, there is new revelation that will continue amaze thee. see my comments below:

 

speaking of body count, there was alleged leaked Hilary's health documents on twitter, which conveniently disappear afterward, luckyly there other who still retweet that stuff.

http://allnewspipeline.com/Hillary_Clinton_Medical_Records_Released.php according to leaked documents Hillary did complain having a mini-seizures.

 

Since its count as people who opposed Clintons, you guess it, Clinton's bodycounts has coincidentally increased again (accident style this time):

Like hell any conspiracy theorist will pass that up, especially since the dead one is the father of the one who allegedly leaked the medical documents.

http://yournewswire.com/man-who-leaked-clintons-medical-records-found-dead/

 

Yeah, the development doesn't warrant this discussion in Domestic Politics anymore

Learn to fact check

http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-medical-records-leaked/

 

[Jim K Global Moderator]

4 hours ago, Torolol said:

Since its count as people who opposed Clintons, you guess it, Clinton's bodycounts has coincidentally increased again (accident style this time):

Like hell any conspiracy theorist will pass that up, especially since the dead one is the father of the one who allegedly leaked the medical documents.

http://yournewswire.com/man-who-leaked-clintons-medical-records-found-dead/

 

Yeah, the development doesn't warrant this discussion in Domestic Politics anymore

LOL...at the "health documents".  I've been in the medical field for over twenty years ... yea ... those look soooo legit.  (sarcasm btw)

 

Regarding you "father of the one who allegedly leaked the medical records".  The yournewswire article states that: 

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According to the report, Vincent Fleck, the father of Clinton’s physician Dr. Daniel Fleck, was found near his home just 24 hours after releasing Hillary’s most secret medical records to the public.

 

However, Fox News reports that on 7 August 2016 ....

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SHIRLEY, N.Y. –  A 69-year-old athlete competing in a New York triathlon on Sunday died during the swimming portion of the event.

Authorities said Vincent Fleck, of Mount Kisco, died after a lifeguard noticed him in distress.

Suffolk County police said a lifeguard brought him in a canoe to a rescue boat, where he received first aid. He was later pronounced dead at a hospital.

 

Yeah, the development doesn't warrant this discussion in Domestic Politics anymore

 

I concur

[DConnell Member]

On 8/14/2016 at 1:26 AM, Ian W said:

Please do not say that about her! One could instead say that she secretly flies on a broom at night.

The Wiccans I know would be insulted to be compared to Hillary!

[DocM]

Dr. Drew Pinsky, a TV doc of internal medicine for sure but also a   psychiatry professor, had somethibg to say about Hillary's health and care on WABC radio (ABC network.)

 

Sounds awfully familiar. 

 

And guess what was pulled from the ABC websites  within hours of being  posted? Yup, all ABC references to it. Fortunately, the internet never forgets 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 18, 2016 by DocM

[Jim K Global Moderator]

34 minutes ago, DocM said:

Dr. Drew Pinsky, a TV doc of internal medicine for sure but also a   psychiatry professor, had somethibg to say about Hillary's health and care on WABC radio (ABC network.)

 

Sounds awfully familiar

 

And guess what was pulled fromthee ABC websites  within hours of being  posted? Yup, all ABC references to it. Fortunately, the internet never forgets

 

 

 

 

Also a TV "star" ... Internal Medicine Doc ... Certified in Addiction Medicine (probably why is an Assistant Clinical Professor of Psychiatry).

 

I wonder if he is "gravely concerned".  Sounds like someone needs some airtime...looking over her "Medical Records" ... him and some other doc.  What medical records...the ones she released?  Where are these medical records that "she released".  

 

Also, WABC radio is owned by Cumulus Media.

 

Edit:  It is also unprofessional to be "gravely concerned" about the treatment she is receiving without knowing her full medical history ... which I'm sure she hasn't released.  Saying that she shouldn't be on Coumadin or the thyroid treatment she is on ... ignores that fact that her physicians ... knowing her medical history ... thought was the best course to control her ailments.  But it is ok ... because he is a TV "star" Doc ... so he can make comments without knowing her in depth medical history.

[DocM]

She released her records to the media, as most modern candidates do, so he knows her history. As such, it's not unprofessional for him to make this analysis. 

 

W v K ABC my error, but her issues are not minor and being picky to diminish those concerns does no one any good. 

 

His point about the prism glasses is a good one. Serious concussion, traumatic brain injury, stroke and others,..quite a list.

[Jim K Global Moderator]

9 minutes ago, DocM said:

She released her records to the media, as most modern candidates do, so he knows her history. As such, it's not unprofessional for him to make this analysis. 

 

W v K ABC my error, but her issues are not minor and being picky to diminish those concerns does no one any good. 

 

His point about the prism glasses is a good one. Serious concussion, traumatic brain injury, stroke and others,..quite a list.

Sure it is unprofessional.  He is an Internal Medicine Doc....he hasn't specialized in anything aside from Addiction Medicine.  He doesn't have her full history nor the patient notes from her physicians.  He is on the outside looking in and is "gravely concerned".  So, he is countering or arguing the advice/treatment plan of a Endocrinologist and a Cardiologist and/or Neurologist....he is none of those.  He is talking above his current board certification.

[Torolol]

17 hours ago, TPreston said:

Learn to fact check

http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-medical-records-leaked/

 

While forgery are possibility, I kinda dissapointed with the quality of snope's rebuttal.

 

First snopes writer trying to compare it with "Authoritative Statements about person health state be in about their Psychological, Physical or Mental Health",

while what shown in alleged leak are more like "Patient Visitation Summary", those are completely different thing and not necessary have same letterhead.

 

Second snopes did not address the mentioned date in alleged leak if its matches with Hillary visitation or house call on the alleged day or few days earlier to remain compliant with medical standard?

Its the surest way to figured if the documents was forged or not, why didn't they?

 

Third, i will address what snopes writes write on the last paragraph:

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We contacted the Mount Kisco Medical Group to ask whether the displayed documents matched internal formatting of medical records or reports but were unable to immediately reach anyone there who could answer that question.
In addition to contacting the practice, we also asked doctors to review the "leaked" records to determine whether they contained obvious signs of fabrication visible to physicians (but not necessarily laymen), and they unanimously agreed the documents appear to be forgeries.

Have it occurred on snopes writer's mind that most modern hospital have migrated their records from papers to digital database, which possible for those who have access to said database extract some records from it, and print it according to whichever formatting to their liking?

 

Instead focusing on what stated on alleged leak to determine whether its a forgery or not, snopes only focuses on the formatting instead.

[Jim K Global Moderator]

17 minutes ago, Torolol said:

While forgery are possibility, I kinda dissapointed with the quality of snope's rebuttal.

 

First snopes writer trying to compare it with "Authoritative Statements about person health state be in about their Psychological, Physical or Mental Health",

while what shown in alleged leak are more like "Patient Visitation Summary", those are completely different thing and not necessary have same letterhead.

 

Second snopes did not address the mentioned date in alleged leak if its matches with Hillary visitation or house call on the alleged day or few days earlier to remain compliant with medical standard?

Its the surest way to figured if the documents was forged or not, why didn't they?

 

Third, i will address what snopes writes write on the last paragraph:

Have it occurred on snopes writer's mind that most modern hospital have migrated their records from papers to digital database, which possible for those who have access to said database extract some records from it, and print it according to whichever formatting to their liking?

 

Instead focusing on what stated on alleged leak to determine whether its a forgery or not, snopes only focuses on the formatting instead.

How about CBSNews?

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One problem: The documents were all fake. And according to the Democratic nominee’s physician, Clinton is healthy enough to occupy the Oval Office.

 

In a report Tuesday, FactCheck.org examined the screenshots of the alleged medical records and confirmed with Clinton’s doctor, Dr. Lisa Bardack, that they were “false, were not written by me and are not based on any medical facts.” In a statement, Bardack added that the candidate is “in excellent health and fit to serve as President of the United States.”

 

The fact checking outlet also noticed a few other inconsistencies in the documents that supposedly came from Bardack’s office. For one, Bardack’s title was incorrect at the top of the fake letterhead.

 

/snip

 

“As a result of the concussion, Mrs. Clinton also experienced double vision for a period of time and benefitted from wearing glasses with a Fresnel Prism,” Bardack wrote. “Her concussion symptoms, including the double vision, resolved within two months.”

 

In that letter, Bardack also noted that Clinton was advised to take blood thinning anticoagulation medicine to address her deep vein thrombosis. Clinton takes other medications to address her hypothyroidism, a common condition especially among older adults.

 

Overall, Bardack said last year, Clinton “is a healthy 67-year-old female” with a “healthy” lifestyle -- not, as some conservative outlets would claim, a woman who suffers from advancing dementia or partial seizures.