P4 1.8GHz or AMD Athlon XP And Why?

[Chad]

When did that happen? You can't disprove something that AMD admits to themselves. The Athlon runs hotter. Thats why you have 50 fans on your case.

The Intel people seem to be posting the facts, and the amd people still post the benchmarks.

That image rendering post that Typh0n posted, the DUAL Athlon had a score of 18 seconds...the SINGLE P4 posted 40 seconds. Now either divide the P4 score by 2 to assume a dual P4, or multiply the amd score by two to assume a single amd. Its mere seconds people.

irdawood....quit stereo-typing people. Your experience from working at this company means nothing. For all we know, you could be a 14 year old kid sitting at home. I don't know...but I do know that there aren't many reputable companies out there that use athlon processors

Companies do not want something that is unreliable. They do not want something loud...they do not want something that runs up the elec bill. After you install proper cooling...and a somewhat-decent chipset (no such thing as a good chipset for amd....but the decent ones are pricey)... it adds up. Normal companies don't care what benchmarks say...they don't care if the nearest 14 year old says "BUY AMD! BUY AMD! BUY AMD!!" They buy from a proven leader who makes reliable products. amd certainly isn't a proven leader, and the chipsets/chips aren't good.

This topic could easily go on for weeks. Why don't we just call it a day and all tell the mods to close the topic.

[irdawood]

yeah but according to u intel peeps the intel p3 even lashes the Athlon XP according to an erlier post

[Zombie9920]

Originally posted by irdawood  

on the other thread i even showed u a vid to proove Athlons dont have a prob with heat, we even carried out a test at work what more do u want???

YOU DO NOT NEED ANY SPECIAL HARDWARE!!!!!  

I DONT USE ANY!!!

and i dont get any probs

if u get probs then u guys dont know how to build Computers

first learn how computers work then come crying back

Yes and I showed you an article telling everyone that the video you posted was rigged by AMD with special hardware. Please follow the URL I posted above(actually read the artivle) and quit acting retarded. Toms Hardware knows alot more about building computers than you do man.

[Chad]

Originally posted by irdawood  

on the other thread i even showed u a vid to proove Athlons dont have a prob with heat, we even carried out a test at work what more do u want???

YOU DO NOT NEED ANY SPECIAL HARDWARE!!!!!  

I DONT USE ANY!!!

and i dont get any probs

if u get probs then u guys dont know how to build Computers

first learn how computers work then come crying back

YOU HAVE 50 FANS IN YOUR CASE!!! What do you mean you don't use special hardware?!?!

[Typh0n]

Superfula, go back and read my post. Those figures are not in seconds, they are in MINUTES.

Means alot more, now doesn't it.

[Zombie9920]

Originally posted by irdawood  

yeah but according to u intel peeps the intel p3 even lashes the Athlon XP according to an erlier post

The Xeon is not a PIII. An Xeon is kinda like a PIII because it has the P6 core *BUT* the old Xeon does not feature any instruction sets other than MMX(It does not have SSE). The Xeon is intended for computers that are left on 24/7 acting as a server, it is not intended for graphical work, games, etc.

[bormooski]

there is no perfect chip.

i am an avid AMD fan, but like people have stated, they have heat issues. but, if you properly cool it (and i dont mean water cool) its fine. i torched one chip cuz i was testing something, and was stupid. i didnt put the heat sink on. hrm... why is it smoking. but is amd better than intel? KCUF YEA!!! the main reason is not price (even though it is way cheaper than a P4). its just plain faster... well... lemme clarify that. if you pit a p4 2200 vs. a axp 2000+(which i belive is 1.66 ghz), then yes... the p4 is faster. duh! the p4 is running 533MHz faster clock speed than the axp. it better kcufing run faster, otherwise intel would crumble under its own weight. but if you go clock speed vs. clock speed (1.6 vs. 1.6 for you illiterate folks), then amd mops the floor with a p4 chip. the only real way to kick amd's ass it to buy a p4 with rambus, but then if you can afford a p4 AND rambus, then you need to give me some money. so you have to decide for yourself.

[irdawood]

and i also said why had so many fans geforce 3 card and also the 2000xp is seriously overclocked

[bormooski]

and i only have 1 cpu fan, and two case fans (intake and exhaust) with no case mods... like any normal person should have.

[irdawood]

yeah but im a serious user and a major overclocker

your right bormooski normal users dont need loads of case fans but like i said if u wanna overclock then u do

[Zombie9920]

I have this funny feeling that bormooski and irdawood is the same person posting with different names. Thier typing styles are identicle.

[Spyder Veteran]

Originally posted by Zombie9920  

I have this funny feeling that bormooski and irdawood is the same person posting with different names. Thier typing styles are identicle.

nope..two different people, i checked.

btw..welcome to Neowin bormooski :)

[Chad]

Originally posted by Typh0n  

Superfula, go back and read my post. Those figures are not in seconds, they are in MINUTES.

Means alot more, now doesn't it.

What's 4 minutes? If you are into graphics, 4 minutes isn't much of anything.

Heh...irdawood and bormooski the same person. I kinda like it...

Irdawood...you still said you didn't use any extra hardware to cool. Even overclocking the processor and video card doesn't require that many fans.

[Zombie9920]

Originally posted by Spyder  

nope..two different people, i checked.

My bad. Thanks for the clarification. I was thinking that it would be pretty lame for a person to register a new name to talk to himself. LoL

[irdawood]

like i said

the front bottom 2 are for intake

the side 2 ones are grills top 1 is hot air exhaust

2 rear top ones are outline exhausts

2rear middle ones are for grills only at the mo this is for airflow for the heatsink

the 3 pci ones are for my pci slots gpu which anyone with a geforce knows gets hot

now before u say it a normal 2000XP DOES not need this many fans and grills but this is no ordinary PC

it has had it multiplyer unlocked and is a very good overclocker!!!!

and no..... i dont care about noise the pros of a CPU this fast will out weigh anything else

and no i dont care about power consumption i can afford electricity

[Spyder Veteran]

Originally posted by Zombie9920  

I was thinking that it would be pretty lame for a person to register a new name to talk to himself. LoL

Well yes, that would be lame :ponder:

[mike3169]

DOE ANYONE really care, or do you all have nothing better to do than to argue and bash each other over whether intel or AMD hold the Holy Grail in CPU Speed and Architecture....?????

WHO THE HELL CARES??

Use whatever you want. If you like INtel, use INtel, if you liek AMD, use AMD...but stop arguing over an issue that has no ending....sheesh..what a bunch of children..

mine's biiger than yours nah nah...that's what it sounds like in here...Heck a real person can't even get any real help in here anymore because of all this debate crap...

LET IT GO!!

Mike

[Roger H. Veteran]

Originally posted by Zombie9920  

Xeon 733mhz x 4 processors = performance of an Xeon at 2932mhz

Dual Athlon MP 1800+ = Athlon MP 3600+

Of course it is going to beat the old Xeons. Why would a business use old Xeons for that type of work anyways? The old Xeons do not have SSE(I believe CAD uses SSE). Xeons are intended for servers(hence thier high price).

yeah but the AMD XP 1800+ is 1.53Ghz X 2 equals 3.06Ghz = big deal... it's only 128Mhz faster yet it does the same work of 4 processors in less than half the time... 128Mhz isn't that big of a deal to double the speed at which it works.

[Spyder Veteran]

Originally posted by mike3169  

Heck a real person can't even get any real help in here anymore because of all this debate crap...

Mike

Hi Mike,

If you need help, please feel free to start a new thread and you`ll find that many of our Neowin members, mods and staff would be happy to offer assistance.

[Typh0n]

Zombie, the reason we purchased the Quad Xeon was because at the time, they were the most powerful Xeon available. This server is used for 3D project storage and doing renderings. With 4 processors, it can do all of that with processor power to spare. Whoever told you that Xeons are not for graphics, misinformed you. If you put a Xeon 733 against a PIII 733, the Xeon will blow the PIII away. The major difference is the error catching ability, fault tolerance, and the large cache sizes. Our 4 processors have 2 MB caches each compared to most computers only having 256kb or 512kb. We have used that server for way more than it was purchased for. When you can tell a client that you can have a rendered animation done in a week versuses other guys having it done in a few weeks, it pays for itself over and over again.

How does the Athlon MP's compare to the new Xeon P4? I don't know. From Intel's site their benchmarks say the Xeon beats the MP, yet on the Athlon site they say the MP beats the Xeon. I won't know until I get a Xeon P4. Until then the Athlon MP has already proved capable of beating our current abilities with a very small price tag. This means a better ROI, and that means more money for my company.

[irdawood]

see you guys cant even take it that AMD is better and other people support AMD over crappy Intel

lol lol

i dont need to create a second ID i can take all you guys on single handed

coz i have facts and you guys have opinions

[Zombie9920]

I know that the Xeon's typically have a larger cache(I think 512k is the smallest option), but doesn't CAD utilize SSE? If it does I would think the instruction set would make up for the PIII having only 256k cache. BTW, for your kind of work a Mac would probably be more efficient.

[Hound]

Originally posted by irdawood  

see you guys cant even take it that AMD is better and other people suppost AMD over crappy Intel

lol lol

i dont need to create a second ID i can take all you guys on single handed  

coz i have facts and you guys have opinions

suppost

LOL, nuff said

[Typh0n]

Superfula, again your incorrect. 4 minutes may not seem much for rendering an image, but when that image is 1 frame of a 2500 frame animation that equals 10,000 minutes. Do you know how much that costs at a rate of $85 per rendering hour? Only about $14,000. Makes a big difference, take it from someone that actually does graphics work. Seconds and Minutes do make a difference in this case several thousands difference.

[Chad]

Originally posted by Typh0n  

Superfula, again your incorrect. 4 minutes may not seem much for rendering an image, but when that image is 1 frame of a 2500 frame animation that equals 10,000 minutes. Do you know how much that costs at a rate of $85 per rendering hour? Only about $14,000. Makes a big difference, take it from someone that actually does graphics work. Seconds and Minutes do make a difference in this case several thousands difference.

If you care about money and time that much, why don't you buy a Mac. It would easily outpace the other 4 choices