Nick Berg Video

[BOOGMaster]

^ even after reading all this, I believe even more it is real.

[sdb815]

^ even after reading all this, I believe even more it is real.

What are your reasons for believing it's not staged by the military? Why is he wearing the orange jumpsuit? What is the reason for the time skips? Why did the military deny having Nick in custody? Why do the walls and floor look the same as the Abu Ghraib prison?

I need convincing. :D

[rogerlb]

the guy was beheaded, let him be, he is dead. there is no scandal

[+Steve B Subscriber²]

Umm, do you even understand why they put prisoners in those bright orange suits? It's because it makes it easier to spot and shoot prisoners if they escape. What does this mean? It means that if he was released by the military he wouldn't be wearing that suit otherwise he would be shot as soon as he left the prison! The military would have given his regular clothes back when they let him go.

I understand why they have the suits, yes i do. My original statement still stands. What he was wearing doesn't do squat to prove who did what. It's all heresay.

[+Steve B Subscriber²]

What are your reasons for believing it's not staged by the military? Why is he wearing the orange jumpsuit? What is the reason for the time skips? Why did the military deny having Nick in custody? Why do the walls and floor look the same as the Abu Ghraib prison?

I need convincing. :D

Like I said before, these are technologically infintile people. They don't have MGM Studios are Columbia Pictures doing they films of beheadings. These are cheap home made videos. Ones that get copies of copies. Cheap home made videos & copies of copies, you get BAD quality video. As for the military denying having Berg in custody, there are bound to be clerical errors with all that is going on in that country. Someone could be or not in custody and in fact it turns out to be the opposite. It could be any numbers of reasons why for the error in information.

[sdb815]

Well since they are not "technologically infintile" people as you stated, wouldn't you think the tape would be shot in one take instead of having the means to edit the film in the first place? And your post doesn't explain why he's still wearing the orange overalls. I'm not trying to start a flame war, I just would like to know why people believe that the video wasn't staged. I myself think it's staged, however I'm not married to that belief and would like to be proven wrong.

[ShawnDude]

So are you guys saying that the orange jumpsuit and ballcap and such could not have been used by anyone other than the US? As in terrorist can not get orange jumpsuits and ballcaps? Couldn't terrorist used these items to make it look like the US did it? Either way, I wasn't there, I don't know what really happened, I remain neutral.

[+Steve B Subscriber²]

Before some people make their comments, it would be really good to research all the info that the media and our government dosen't tell us.

Berg vanished in Iraq just 72 hours after being released from 13 days in US military custody and questioning by the FBI.> Read On...

Among the places the young man inquired for contract work was the Abu Ghraib prison?which he referred to as a ?notorious prison for army and political prisoners..<CBS News revealed yesterday that the young man had been on the FBI?s books for at least two years. In 2002, he was interviewed as part of the investigations in the September 11 terror attacks, over the fact his computer password had been used by alleged al-Qaeda terrorist Zaccarias Moussaoui. According to Berg?s family, the FBI was reportedly satisfied the password was obtained during a brief encounter on a bus, when Nick Berg had allowed an acquaintance of Moussaoui to use his computer.

On March 7, the pro-Bush website FreeRepublic.com published a list of ?enemies? who were opposing the US occupation of Iraq. Among the names, taken from a public list of people who had endorsed a planned March 20 antiwar demonstration on the website of the group ANSWER, was Michael Berg?Nick?s father?and the name of the Berg family company. Such information would be entered into the databases of US intelligence agencies as well.

Berg was seized on March 24, within one week of returning to Iraq, and held incommunicado without charges in a Mosul prison for unspecified ?suspicious activities.? His parents in Philadelphia were visited by the FBI on March 31 and asked why their son was in Iraq. Berg reported being interviewed at least three times during his detention by FBI agents and asked whether he had constructed pipe bombs or had visited Iran.He was released on April 6 only after his family filed a federal court case against the US government the day before for illegal imprisonment. Dan Senor, the Coalition Provisional Authority spokesman in Iraq, claimed this week that Berg had never been detained by US forces, only by Iraqis. This has been exposed to be a lie. Berg?s family has produced an email from Beth A Payne, a US consular official in Iraq, dated April 1. Payne wrote: ?I have confirmed that your son, Nick, is being detained by the US military in Mosul... He was picked up approximately one week ago.? The chief of the Iraqi police in Mosul has also publicly rejected the claim that Berg was detained by his command. He told a press conference on May 13: ?The Iraqi police never arrested the slain American. Take it from me... that such reports are baseless.? No satisfying answers have been given to obvious questions. Were Berg?s movements in Iraq being monitored by American intelligence? Why was he detained and on whose orders? Was he under surveillance after he was released on April 6? If he was, how did he come to be kidnapped in the centre of Baghdad? Throughout this week, Berg?s father Michael has repeatedly denounced the Bush administration for complicity in his son?s death. He told Boston radio station WBUR on Tuesday: ?

[W]hat cost my son his life was the fact the US government saw fit to keep him in custody for 13 days without any of due process or civil rights and released him when they were good and ready. It goes further than Donald Rumsfeld. It?s the whole Patriot Act, it?s the whole feeling in this country that rights don?t matter any more because there are terrorists about. Well in my opinion ?terrorist? is just another word like ?communist? or ?witch? and it?s a witchhunt and this whole administration is just representing something that is not America.?

Berg's Father told Philadelphia radio: ?My son died for the sins of George Bush and Donald Rumsfeld. This administration did this.?George Bush and Donald Rumsfeld. This administration did this.?

Look at the Berg Archive at www.infowars.com. This is a must site for everyone, reports all the news that our Goernment would not like us to know. Go throught everything, browse all the sources, read it all the way to the end.

98% Chance That This is a Military-Industrial Complex Psyop

Well I would say this. Any American roaming in Iraq that wasn't actively fighting would be stopped and interrogated as to why he/she was there. As for the misinformation on him being in whos custody or not being in whos custody, there could be any number of reasons for that. As for the Berg family being on a list on FreeRepublic.com and then saying it would be automatically entered on US Intelligence Databases as well, you don't know that, you can't assume that. Say for the sake of arguement that it was entered on the US Database, that does NOT mean they would actually single Berg out to do anything or do anything to anyone on that list for that matter. As for that email, I am assuming it was a proved legitiment US Correspondence, if not, then maybe the Berg family made it up out of despiration, its not impossible. For the sake of arguement though, I will say its legitiment, like i said before, there could be any number of reasons why for the incorrect information. As for your satisfying asnwers, your first one, it is a safe bet that any American just roaming in Iraq for any reason that is not actively fighting would be tracked by US forces. As for why he was detained and oh whos orders, to ask on whos orders is to imply that there wasn't any reason. If he was detained, there WOULD BE a reason and we don't always get to know everything. Being under surveillance after his release, I would again say any American not fighting would be tracked by US forces. As for how he was kidnapped in center of Baghdad, he could have been anywhere at anytime doing anything, the terrorists nabbed him, it would not be hard. As for Berg's father/family denouncing the Bush Administration, they're acting out of grief, that couldn't be anymore obvious. His entire statement reflects that. He just upset that the fact his son is dead, if it were anyone else other then his son, i lay it 10 to 1 that he wouldn't say all that. Finally for the Berg family, mainly the father, to directly blame the Bush Administration and the Patriot Act for his son's death is utter BS. There is no proof. To say they did this is to say they ordered his death and did it themselves, which is utter BS. Also, to go against your leader or in this case in a time of war is just wrong, you should always show unity when fighting the enemy. If you show division, you show weakness, that is wrong. If anyone disapproves of the Bush Administration, in this case the Berg family, do your part when the time is right and vote against him in the next election. In the final analysis of the Berg video, it was REAL, NOT FAKE, the TERRORISTS did this, NOT THE MILITARY, and to start conspiracies on a bunch of assumptions and heresays is wrong. They can't hold water or anything for that matter when you did that.

[sdb815]

So are you guys saying that the orange jumpsuit and ballcap and such could not have been used by anyone other than the US? As in terrorist can not get orange jumpsuits and ballcaps? Couldn't terrorist used these items to make it look like the US did it? Either way, I wasn't there, I don't know what really happened, I remain neutral.

I was actually thinking about that last night and it is certainly possibile, but were would a terrorist get an orange jump suit? The local Wal-Mart? Anyways it doesn't really matter that much anymore, the fact is that Nick is dead and nobody really knows for sure what happened. :unsure:

[dablitz]

tbh

that woz just sickenign watching that

really really felt sick

needed to wtch it tho to understand

that looked pritty real to me tho

[Tho]

"On the time frame on the video it jumps from 13:46.32 to 13:47:46, maybe when a fake head was introduced."

Wow how many times did you have to watch the clip to find that out.... Isn't once too many already...??

Yukyukyuk.

[BOOGMaster]

tbh

that woz just sickenign watching that

really really felt sick

needed to wtch it tho to understand

that looked pritty real to me tho

:p says DaBlitz as he grabs another beer... :p

[John Veteran]

This is one conspiracy I think might actually have some fact to it...

[BOOGMaster]

This is one conspiracy I think might actually have some fact to it...

oh for the love, gameguy... unbelieveable.

State your case for it, then.

[50002_1437839424]

Off Berg Archive at Infowars.com;

And this one:

1) extremely convenient "wag the dog" timing at the height of furor regarding U.S. torture of Iraqis

2) CNN poll question: "Is the Berg killing a reason for withholding any remaining Iraq prisoner abuse pictures?" Bush has been reported to be struggling with question of whether Pentagon should release additional torture photos. Given that the alleged decapitation of Berg was allegedly prompted by the first wave of torture photos, Bush could now cite "national security" issues for witholding additional materials.

3) Berg's last known whereabouts was in U.S. custody.

4) Berg shown in video wearing orange jumpsuit known to be of U.S. issue (compare with pictures at Guantanamo).

5) Berg mysteriously captured by Al-Quaeda (still wearing jumpsuit). Either he escaped from U.S. captors or U.S. let him out -- with orange suit and all -- to be immediately apprehended by Al-Quaeda (before he had a chance to change).

6) Tape obviously spliced together and heavily edited. Goes from a) Berg sitting in chair talking about family, to b) Berg sitting on floor with hooded "militants" behind, to c) blurry camera movement, to d) almost motionless Berg on floor as head cut off.

7) Audio clearly dubbed in.

8) "Arab" reader flips through pages of "statement" and keeps ending up on the same page. Perhaps doesn't even known enough Arabic to recognize what page he's on?

9) "Arabs" have lily-white hands and (other exposed) skin.

10) "Arabs" have Western-style body posture and mannerisms.

11) When Berg decapitated, there was almost no blood. If Berg were still alive at this point, with the cut starting at front of throat, blood would have been spraying everywhere. Berg's severed head, the floor, Berg's clothes, and even the hand of the "Arab" who decapitated Berg had no visible blood on it.

12) Berg's body didn't move while on the ground. Although held down, Berg would have tried to instinctively wiggle and writhe away from captor's grip.

13) Camera angle made it impossible to see if Berg's eyes were even open.

14) Alleged "scream" from Berg sounded to be that of a woman and was clearly dubbed in.

15) Berg goes to great trouble to identify himself, providing information about his family. Why? To elicit greater sympathy? Or to provide a positive ID. FBI visited Berg family in an attempt to "verify his identity". Guy in video looks very little like Berg photos provided by family.

I believe that Berg (or this lookalike character) was first killed (perhaps by lethal injection, poisoning, etc.), then decapitated after dead (explains lack of blood spraying everywhere). Berg was killed by Al-Quaeda (known to be a CIA - Mossad joint venture). Berg video released at height of furor over U.S. torture of Iraqis and just before Bush was to decide whether to release additional torture videos. Now torture videos will be witheld from public for reasons of national security. Now "patriots" everywhere will laud the virtues of U.S. torture of "enemies". Sensitivity level of public gets heightened in terms of what's acceptable treatment of prisoners. Juxtaposed with decapitation, piling naked men into pyramid is nothing. Such treatment will be considered more and more acceptable even in domestic situations. George W. Bush sleeps well tonight while Berg family lives in torture. Serves Berg's father right for opposing Bush and the war of aggression against Iraq.

More at: Infowars.com Berg Archive

Everything indeed is very fishy.

Edited June 24, 2004 by Guest

[X Statik Process]

oh for the love, gameguy... unbelieveable.

State your case for it, then.

I have to agree with you, BOOG

I don't see it as fake. The poor man died, let's not disrespect him anymore than is already done.

Where's the proof, anyways, that this fake? Not everything is a conspiracy.

JMHO.

[azcodemonkey]

I'd love to see what a forensics specialist in video and audio would say given she had the original tape.

I wouldn't put it past our gov't to do something like this, however, I don't feel there is conclusive evidence to say one way or the other.

[John Veteran]

oh for the love, gameguy... unbelieveable.

State your case for it, then.

For the love of me? :D Cool! :D

I've seen the video, and after you get over the initial shock and horror of it, if you look closely, it could be faked, but I don't know if it is, and for now I think it's real. Until I hear something convincing on the news, I'll probably keep thinking it's real. But the arguments against it are strong arguments...

[insanekiwi]

i've seen the video, it was disgusting. i don't think it's fake and i never thought human beings could be so brutal and uncivilized. let's pray for his soul and may he rest in piece.

[sdb815]

oh for the love, gameguy... unbelieveable.

State your case for it, then.

The case for believing it's staged has been made several times, but nobody has given good reasons as to why it's real. I have asked you directly BOOG as to why you believe it's real and you have avoided to make any case for the validity of the video. So please if you believe his death wasn't staged by the military or Bush administration, what are your reasons or evidence?

[Dave Veteran]

The case for believing it's staged has been made several times, but nobody has given good reasons as to why it's real. I have asked you directly BOOG as to why you believe it's real and you have avoided to make any case for the validity of the video. So please if you believe his death wasn't staged by the military or Bush administration, what are your reasons or evidence?

Clearly the burden of proof would be with anyone saying it was faked. The tape speaks for itself, more to the point the arguments against the validity of the tape are fairly flimsy.

[TheElite]

The tape speaks for itself

are u sure? the video is the main reason people say it is faked. woman screaming? frames cut? uniformed general? fat iraqis? why masked?

so many questions, no answers.

[sdb815]

Clearly the burden of proof would be with anyone saying it was faked. The tape speaks for itself, more to the point the arguments against the validity of the tape are fairly flimsy.

Again, the case for why people think it may be staged have been made throughout this entire thread as well as other threads in Area 51 subforum. There is alot more evidence supporting the possibility of it being staged than there is of it being genuine. However if anybody believes the video is legit, please state your case as to why you believe it's real other than "because Bush said so".

[BOOGMaster]

The case for believing it's staged has been made several times, but nobody has given good reasons as to why it's real. I have asked you directly BOOG as to why you believe it's real and you have avoided to make any case for the validity of the video. So please if you believe his death wasn't staged by the military or Bush administration, what are your reasons or evidence?

The case for it being REAL??? Obviously, the point of it being real is in the video! The burden of proof is on you to prove it false! hippy tool, this is the point of this thread. If you believe it is false, then you have to prove it. So far, you have done nothing of the sort. Nada. Zilch. All the "agrguements" you all have made could be said about any video ever taken by mankind. It seems the stringest arguement would be "oh! He is wearing an orange jump suit!" I once saw one of those at a 7 Eleven in Tuscaloosa, AL, so - it MUST be fake and taken at or near a 7 Eleven in Tuscaloosa!

Gimme a break, hippie tool! Me give a good reason? Think again...

[sdb815]

Reasons why Nick Berg's death could have been done by the military, meaning the video is staged/faked:

1) Orange overalls, which means he was in U.S. custody or he got them at an 7-11 somewhere in Iraq. Or he could have escaped from the prison, but he would have been shot in the process (remember he's wearing bright orange so that prison guards could see him better).

2) U.S. denied ever having Nick in custody. Which could just be a "clerical" error as someone already pointed out. To my knowledge the military still claims it never had Berg in custody.

3) Video has been heavily edited, we all know terrorists are experts in video editing right? I wonder what they used, Adobe software? Macromedia perhaps? Why wasn't it done in one take with one camera?

4) Terrorist flips through papers throughout the video, but seems to stay on the same page. Which leads one to believe it was just acting.

5) Men in the video seem to have white hands, and seem to be heavier than "normal arabs" (this could just be a judgement call imo). The man (Al-Zarqawi) in the video also does not talk with a Jordinian dialect and his Arabic is bad, according to some Arab linguists.

6) AK-47s used in the video are Israeli-made, no further explanation needed

7) Walls and floors are the same color of those in the Abu Gharib prison

8) Here's a link to some other discrepancies, and another, and another. Click here for a detailed analysis of the video.

Reasons to believe why video is 100% genuine, meaning the men in the video are in fact terrorists that kill Nick Berg:

1) Military said so

Like I said before, if you want to address these reasons one by one go for it. What explanations do you have for all of the above "arguments"? I just want to know why you believe the video is 100% genuine and not something put together by the military or the Bush administration. I could be wrong, but it seems that there is more evidence that the military is behind this rather than terrorists.

Edited June 26, 2004 by tool hippy